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Started by Asche, July 16, 2015, 05:25:40 AM

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Asche

I've had/am having two weird experiences that are really knocking me out of my equilibrium and making me question pretty much everything I thought I knew about myself, and I'm wondering if anyone else has had anything like the same reactions, or if it's just me being crazy.

I'm on vacation in a place with the usual summer activities -- swimming, sailing, etc.  It's a place I've been going with the kids for a number of years, but this year, I've been having a lot more trouble getting interested in anything.  Well, as I was walking back from one of them (can't remember which one), I had this thought: "I'd enjoy this a lot more as a woman."

My immediate reaction was: that's ridiculous.  Why would presenting as a woman make any difference in, say, swimming?  But I do notice that I feel envious of women being able to wear women's bathing suits, both in the sense of being allowed to and of having bodies (of whatever age or shape) which those suits are designed for.  Which seems stupid to me.  When I'm out in one of the little sailboats they have here, I don't think about my body, but when I'm going in or out and seeing women rigging their boats and getting in, I feel envious.  And one time when I was out swimming, there were a bunch of boys and men on the raft (and some in the water), and they were having a "diving" (i.e., jump in the water with a lot of noise and splashing) contest and being very "guy-ish", and I felt like a space alien (remember them from the supermarket tabloids?)  My brain says being/living as a woman wouldn't have made any difference in the situation, but still...

Second: a few days ago, I decided to shave off my beard, which I've had for something like 40 years.  When I looked at myself in the mirror, my reaction was: who the hell is that?  And each time I see myself now, I feel repulsed.  It's not that I'm objectively all that ugly (for my age), it's more like an enotional allergic reaction to how I look.  I woke up in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep, just thinking about how awful it is to be in that body.  It's weird, because it's not like my body suddenly changed, but I suddenly have this feeling like I only got stuck inside it just recently.  I'm reminded of an "assigned male" comic where the main character (trans girl) is reacting to the phrase "a girl trapped in a boy's body" and saying things like, "it's true!  I put it on, and the zipper got stuck and I can't get it off," except that she's joking and, at some level, I'm not.  I'm tempted to grow the beard back so I can go back to just feeling ugly.  But I want to transition, and it'd be hard to live as a woman with a beard.  And besides, I don't know how I'd get through even the few weeks it would take to grow something visible.

Rationally, I know I'll get through this somehow.  I've gotten through the past 60+ years.  But in my feelings, I can't see how.  The "inner emigration"?  Suicide of the soul (again)?  It just feels like I can't go on.

P.S.: in case anyone responds and wants a response from me, internet access here is a little complicated, so I can't check back all that regularly.  But I will check back.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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katrinaw

Your opening statements ring so true with me... I often go into dreams about doing things with my kids and grandkids as Katy... And when I do spill the beans very soon, that dream might well be dashed... but it is a lovely dream.
I really think that that is one of the most common thoughts moving from acceptance through into FT transitioning... and its not just offspring, its so many things.

The rest of it is just the not hiding anymore bit!

Envious, yes before I considered the last 10 years of moving into transition (although did not think it would have taken this long), but now its "I am dressed wrong when in male mode", so kinda flipped a bit... so now I just feel inappropriately dressed, when not in female clothing.

But when I ski I feel released, mountain and, on the whole, kinda unisex clothing meaning I don't have to imagine... except après!!!!

Beard wise... you'll enjoy the air on your face... I had one during my "must be a male" days... huh... only lasted for 3 years, and I knew why I was shaving it off and that I never wanted a hair on my body or face ever again... so I think you are, doubtingly, as I was on and off, moving into the zone. Its not easy, no one will ever say it is, but it is undeniable, I have never been in a dark place, that's probably just my makeup... but never the less the need and urge has always been there... the years of the beard was a camouflage, mainly for shielding myself!

Ugly? I learnt over the last few years (HRT) that we are our own worst critics, face, body etc... also its amazing what can be done if HRT doesn't fix everything? Its actually amazing how a feminine hairstyle framing a face can transform it... just a thought for you..

Are you seeing a therapist yet? if not it would be extremely advantageous to do so, these feelings will be back, have you the energy to keep fighting? I can't anymore...

Hope I have helped very slightly, don't give up on yourself there is always a way and a bright light at the endof the tunnel.

Katy xx

Long term MTF in transition... HRT since ~ 2003...
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Asche on July 16, 2015, 05:25:40 AM
I had this thought: "I'd enjoy this a lot more as a woman."

Yup. I know that thought well. The summer I was exploring my gender I had it a lot. By the time the summer I had worn myself out thinking of alternatives to transitioning. It was a silly exercise, really, because wild horses weren't going to keep me from becoming my female self, but I didn't know that at the time.

BTW, I was right. I do enjoy everything a lot more as a woman.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Asche

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 16, 2015, 04:09:31 PM
BTW, I was right. I do enjoy everything a lot more as a woman.
I've pretty well decided to transition, if only because not doing so feels pointless.  (It's like if you're on the Appalachian Trail and stop in the middle of nowhere and have to decide whether to go on or just sit there.)  I've started electrolysis, but as you know, that's a long process.  Maybe HRT in 6-12 months (though I still have no clue about what to do about the facial hair in the meantime.)

I'm just afraid that I'm somehow assuming that transitioning will cure all the woes in my life.  More to the point, I'm afraid I'm naively assuming that my inability to find joy in any of the things I used to enjoy is due to my needing to transition.  Is this inability to find joy something that can come from needing to transition?
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Asche

Quote from: katrinaw on July 16, 2015, 06:22:08 AM
Beard wise... you'll enjoy the air on your face... I had one during my "must be a male" days... huh... only lasted for 3 years, and I knew why I was shaving it off and that I never wanted a hair on my body or face ever again... so I think you are, doubtingly, as I was on and off, moving into the zone.
I've had a beard pretty much since I could grow one.  It never had anything to do with masculinity, it was just easier than shaving.  I never really look at myself, anyway.  I just look enough to make sure I'm more or less socially acceptable.

It's been a few days, and I still hate seeing my face.  Like I said, I have this intense feeling of having been plonked down in someone else's body.  Maybe the beard is yet another way I have of not seeing me.  (I think deep down inside I hate myself.)  The same reason I prefer loose or baggy clothing, at least when I'm in male drag.  When I wear a dress or skirt, I rather like the idea of wearing something that looks a little revealing.

Another thing: I'd thought that since the beard hair is white (=laser won't work), I could get away with shaving less often.  No dice.  12 hours after shaving, I start seeing fuzz on my face and start looking like a homeless man (not sure which is worse: "homeless" or "man.")  It's not the 5-o'clock shadow look, but it's just as bad.  Plus, my face feels like a wire brush (the beard was a lot softer.)  I'd rather have no facial hair at all, but what I have now is worse than a beard.

I have another week of vacation, I'm going to see whether I can grow enough back to pass as a beard and not just me being a bum.

Quote from: katrinaw on July 16, 2015, 06:22:08 AM
Ugly? I learnt over the last few years (HRT) that we are our own worst critics, face, body etc
It's not being a critic.  It's revulsion at having a body like this.  I'm not sure if it's body dysphoria or if it's just that I hate myself and so any body I had would elicit the same reaction.

Quote from: katrinaw on July 16, 2015, 06:22:08 AM.. also its amazing what can be done if HRT doesn't fix everything? Its actually amazing how a feminine hairstyle framing a face can transform it... just a thought for you..
Male-pattern baldness.   Virtually nothing on top or the front.  I'll need a wig for the rest of my life if I want to pass even minimally (i.e., make it clear I'm trying to pass as female.)

Quote from: katrinaw on July 16, 2015, 06:22:08 AM
Are you seeing a therapist yet? if not it would be extremely advantageous to do so, these feelings will be back, have you the energy to keep fighting? I can't anymore...
Yes.  I'm seeing someone who specializes in both gender issues and in trauma treatment.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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suzifrommd

Quote from: Asche on July 18, 2015, 03:46:21 PM
Is this inability to find joy something that can come from needing to transition?

Yes. Anhedonia is a defining symptom of depression and depression can result from gender dysphoria.

Though, there are other possible causes as well. This might be one of those times when medical help is called for.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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