Yeson voice feminization surgery 2.0

[Dana88]

I assume Ye is not pronounced "Yay" but more like Ye olde English?

Or yeh?


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[kwala]

Or yeh?


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Loved your video, Dana (Stravinsky!)

You sound great and seem so confident now, congrats.
I'm sure you have your own set of exercises but one exercise that has helped me get the voice more forward and in the mask is to sing and speak on a "ming."  You sound terrific but since you mentioned that  was an issue for you before and after I just thought I'd throw it out there in case it can be useful.
When can you test your singing?  You must be so excited to see how that develops

[Dana88]

Loved your video, Dana (Stravinsky!)

You sound great and seem so confident now, congrats.
I'm sure you have your own set of exercises but one exercise that has helped me get the voice more forward and in the mask is to sing and speak on a "ming."  You sound terrific but since you mentioned that  was an issue for you before and after I just thought I'd throw it out there in case it can be useful.
When can you test your singing?  You must be so excited to see how that develops

Thanks! And yeah, right now my speech pathologist is having me do a lot of hum work and a lot of ing work as well. It is definitely helping. She wants to try and get the resonance sorted before we really start working on range, which I think is the right way to go. Cause especially on higher pitches I fall back into old habits. But I'm always happy for pointers and thoughts!

And I've experimented with singing a little. I can get up to a C#5 at the moment BUT it starts to get placed far back at around an F4, so I'm trying to leave it be and slowly build up note by note making sure the sound is forward and in the mask. So right now I can only get up to an E4 feeling completely forward and well placed. But a week ago I even had problems getting a C4 forward and well placed, so there's def progress.

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[anjaq]

Dana - your result is great - such a big change. You had a success with the surgery for sure Congratulations!

But saying that - your pre OP voice is not nearly as bad as you made it sound like in your posts - its low for sure but not like super-low I believe it was not lower, but rather higher than the one I had originally... ut in your stats you talk about like it would have been a bass at below 100 Hz or something

[Dana88]

Dana - your result is great - such a big change. You had a success with the surgery for sure Congratulations!

But saying that - your pre OP voice is not nearly as bad as you made it sound like in your posts - its low for sure but not like super-low I believe it was not lower, but rather higher than the one I had originally... ut in your stats you talk about like it would have been a bass at below 100 Hz or something

Thanks! I appreciate it!

And no I didn't... I said multiple times that my preop voice was 152 hz, and said multiple times that it was on the high end for a male to begin with (the average male range being 90hz-150hz). So I'm not sure where you got that idea from but I had been very specific about my preop voice and how luckily since it was at the tippy top of a male range, a 75hz bump meant getting up into the 220s :-P.


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[anjaq]

Oh sorry, I think I confused that with the other Dana 

[Dena]

Thanks! I appreciate it!

And no I didn't... I said multiple times that my preop voice was 152 hz, and said multiple times that it was on the high end for a male to begin with (the average male range being 90hz-150hz). So I'm not sure where you got that idea from but I had been very specific about my preop voice and how luckily since it was at the tippy top of a male range, a 75hz bump meant getting up into the 220s :-P.


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I am developing voice envey  My usable male voice was in the 90-100Hz range but it would reach 80Hz without being uncomfortable. The 60Hz gain I have seen so far off the chest voice puts me a bit above my old trained voice and close to where your preop voice was. In any case, the voice goes well with your appearance and I suspect you will never be clocked again.

[Dena]

Oh sorry, I think I confused that with the other Dana 

I think I heard that and it may be the second time in 24 hours that my name was misspelled 

[Dana88]

Oh sorry, I think I confused that with the other Dana 

No worries!


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[Dana88]

I am developing voice envey  My usable male voice was in the 90-100Hz range but it would reach 80Hz without being uncomfortable. The 60Hz gain I have seen so far off the chest voice puts me a bit above my old trained voice and close to where your preop voice was. In any case, the voice goes well with your appearance and I suspect you will never be clocked again.

Thank you! I hope not! I'm getting FFS in about six weeks now [emoji15]. I'll feel more confident on the not getting clocked front once that is done. Cause I'll feel like between VFS and FFS that I should be good. Right now I still see the masculine features of my face and think it's sometimes clockable from certain angles (especially from 3/4 view and profile) and sometimes I catch people staring at me from the side haha. I have a relatively prominent brow ridge and a very strong jaw.


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[Paige]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xt-1Mx_xQc&feature=youtu.be

Wow Dana, that's amazing.   

Paige

[anjaq]

Yeah - I hope your FFS surgeons know well how to deal with the VFS and not make a dent in it - FFS is a great thing too - gives so many women so much confidence. I sometimes wish for that too, but I guess I can do ok without it - VFS was more important for me and so I spent all the money on that one

[iKate]

Yeah - I hope your FFS surgeons know well how to deal with the VFS and not make a dent in it - FFS is a great thing too - gives so many women so much confidence. I sometimes wish for that too, but I guess I can do ok without it - VFS was more important for me and so I spent all the money on that one

I agree. VFS was the most important thing to me because I use my voice so much and also because I know the passing power of the voice.

I'm saving FFS for later on but I may end up doing SRS first. I mean, passing is more or less a given now but I look at myself in the mirror and I see a lot of him there. I want him gone, more or less.

I think the biggest worry really is intubation but with so many girls getting VFS now I think most of the FFS surgeons know how to deal with us.

[anjaq]

I would still make extra sure they know how to hande a VFS throat for intubation! It may look like VFS is becoming common but thats just our impression here - overall it still is a rare procedure. I also made an emergency card for my wallet now to inform EMT personnell and surgeons in case of an accident or emergency surgery about my VFS and how to generally deal with it, just to make sure they don't destroy anything. A GRS surgeon I was talking to half a year ago warned me that he has seen this happen several times, that a careless intubation can destroy a glottoplasty web even years after it was created just because someone used a intubator that was too big and basically shoved it down by force. Yikes. I would hope I never will be treated my a medic who is like that, but you never know.

I have the same reasons for FFS I guess - not because people would stare at me or something, but I dont like my own face the way it is - stupid. Maybe I should just get used to it somehow.

but voice was a passing factor - it got me into trouble having to ask weird questions several times and I hope this is gone now.

[Dana88]

I would still make extra sure they know how to hande a VFS throat for intubation! It may look like VFS is becoming common but thats just our impression here - overall it still is a rare procedure. I also made an emergency card for my wallet now to inform EMT personnell and surgeons in case of an accident or emergency surgery about my VFS and how to generally deal with it, just to make sure they don't destroy anything. A GRS surgeon I was talking to half a year ago warned me that he has seen this happen several times, that a careless intubation can destroy a glottoplasty web even years after it was created just because someone used a intubator that was too big and basically shoved it down by force. Yikes. I would hope I never will be treated my a medic who is like that, but you never know.

I have the same reasons for FFS I guess - not because people would stare at me or something, but I dont like my own face the way it is - stupid. Maybe I should just get used to it somehow.

but voice was a passing factor - it got me into trouble having to ask weird questions several times and I hope this is gone now.

I'm using Facial Team who not only knows what to do but is close with Dr. Kim and has gone to observe him in Seoul to watch him performing VFS as well as apparently Dr. Kim has watched them do FFS. Dr. Kim asked me where I'm going for FFS and I said Facial Team and he said "Good. Facial Team is very very careful with the voice." And then I'm using Suporn for SRS about six months from now, who is the same. He and Dr. Kim have apparently observed each other's procedures and know how to deal with it. For both Suporn and Facial Team I had to give them a totally separate questionnaire for my VFS. I'd be lying if I said it doesn't worry me at all, but at least Suporn and Facial Team seem to know what to do. I have raised that concern with both surgeons and both seem to have an extensive protocol in place for those who have had VFS.


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[Dana88]

PS out of curiosity, from both my mom and I, I measured her fundamental frequency. She was like... I think my voice is lower than yours... How can I find out? Haha. SO! She was right haha. My mom is 177 hz. I was 240! That was the highest my voice has clocked yet. I think a big part of that is more range and therefore more peaks and valleys in my speech pattern.


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[Dana88]

PS out of curiosity, from both my mom and I, I measured her fundamental frequency. She was like... I think my voice is lower than yours... How can I find out? Haha. SO! She was right haha. My mom is 177 hz. I was 240! That was the highest my voice has clocked yet. I think a big part of that is more range and therefore more peaks and valleys in my speech pattern.


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[Dena]

Maybe she should record a voice sample and post it here so we can judge it. 

[Dana88]

Wow Dana, that's amazing.   

Paige

Thank you!!!


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[Dana88]

Maybe she should record a voice sample and post it here so we can judge it. 

Yes! Yes I should haha. But not tell anyone the recording is a cis woman.


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