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Yeson voice feminization surgery 2.0

Started by anjaq, July 21, 2015, 07:05:50 AM

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anjaq

Reagrding surgeons, I also like the specialist approach - not have one doctor perform all kinds of surgeries. Dr Kim only does voice surgeries - Dr Suporn mostly does GRS (although he also does some FFS), The people at Facialteam are all specialists for one part of the face only - hair transplants, nose, Jaw/Chin, ... - I like those sorts of arrangements because it allows these people to get really good at one thing - better than someone doing all sorts of things and that particular surgery only once a month. This is the case for all surgeons doing any trans related surgery in Germany and I think its a bad idea - and the reason why people who have the money rather go elsewhere than to use the "free" NHS covered opportunities here.

I totally agree on the brain trying to use the voice in the way it "expects" the voice to be. For some, the brain seems to expect a higher voice already and then it goes fast once the physiology is changed, others have gotten used to their old voice or a trained pre-op voice for a long time and so this is what comes out. It takes time and conscious effort and exercises to explore the new voice, find out what changed, find the new "relaxed voice", the "sweet spot" ... I know my voice did change with the months after surgery not because the base pitch changed any further - the effect of the surgery was instant - but the way I use my new voice was something I am still working on and which took months to really change.

In the beginning I was always trying to match my old relaxed trained voice and was speaking at the low end of my vocal range as a result. That is slowly (!) changing. For some, the surgery changed so much that they were lucky enough to not have access to their old voice range anymore, so the matching never worked and the adaptation to a new situation may be faster and more complete, I believe

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iKate

I agree about specialists. I think Suporn also does BA.

I chose Dr Kim because he seemed to have developed his own methods to implement the glottoplasty technique and even made his own instruments. He is also tested and proven. I also have a high level of trust in Korean medicine given their high standards.
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Cadence Jean

Agreed. It's like those all purpose fax printer scanner copiers back in the nineties. You put all those components together into one thing, you get less quality over all than were you to by those individual items. I think the analogy breaks down now in the 2010's cuz of how good those multifunction machines have gotten. Lol But I think you get the picture. Generalists,  definition, must compromise their expertise in order to broaden it. Specialists, on the other hand, deepen their expertise and experience way more than a generalist ever could because the specialist has a sole focus that allows them to gather experience.

Of course, that's generalizing things a bit. Personality, age, hospital staff, what's happening in the surgeons life, etc, etc, all play into it. I think your chances of a good result increase going with a specialist who has a proven track record. I wouldn't go to Spiegel for vfs simply because I can't find any reviews AT ALL on here about his results. Makes me think he doesn't do vfs's very often at all... Or his results are so poor, nobody wants to share. Either way, any surgeon with no reviews would not make it onto my short list.
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northcountrymassage

Hi all,

Please know that in no way was I trying to imply or influence anyone into believing that one doctor is better than another.  I just didn't know that there were other doctors who performed the same type of operation prior to scheduling mine.  I knew there were other doctors who did vfs, but I did not like the type of procedures done or the risks involved with them and that is the reason why I chose Yeson.  Please by all means make an informed decision and hear results by others prior to making your choice.

No I had not had any vocal training prior and from what Dr. Kim told me that was probably a good thing due to the issues I had with my voice.  My vocal cords were not even, they did not close correctly causing me to use about five times more effort than the average person to talk and I had a vocal tremor to boot.

I have since had a little training and I'm sure I would benefit from more. lol

I have recorded my voice again so that people can hear what I sounded like before and what I sound like now.  I must admit that when I listened to them I do hear a difference and I wonder if why people say I sound the same is because it is still my voice, just higher?  Please let me know what you all think.

Best wishes,
Amy

Before
https://soundcloud.com/user1152848/before-operation

Current
https://soundcloud.com/user1152848/15-months-post-op
Namaste and Blessed Be,
Amy Lynn
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Cadence Jean

Wow, Amy, resoundingly yes! Your voice is certainly higher pitched. Maybe they are looking at other cues, like prosody or reverberation? I suggest focusing on those things if you'd like to do more work on your voice.
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iKate

Amy, there is a very significant difference but I think some of the resonance issues you're having are masking what is otherwise a good result. The good news is resonance can be trained out. I would gender you correctly.
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anjaq

I agree - there is a clear change in the recordings, but I think to get the best of it, some voice training, especially resonance but also prosody would be very beneficial.

Obe of the good things about Dr Kims way of doing this is actually that your voice stays your voice - it has the same ring to it, it will not sound artificial, it will just sound like you - just higher pitched and with less masculine timbre. So it gives a natural result but that also means you have to still work on the other issues that may be making the voice sound more masculine than you like.

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iKate

Someone had asked me to do some free talking. Here it is.  http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ZqDvZL8uQR
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Cadence Jean

Kate, I'd ID you as a woman. :) You sound good!
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iKate


Quote from: Cadence Jean on October 14, 2015, 05:49:30 PM
Kate, I'd ID you as a woman. :) You sound good!

Haha I would too, lol. Thanks!

This was someone on the FB group that asked for free talking since the rainbow passage is rehearsed it seems.

So I'm just adding this as a data point. I'm going to make another recording next month to see how my voice progresses. Or maybe some singing.
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Cadence Jean

to make more better goodness

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iKate

It's an unofficial support group, yes.
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kitten_lover

Heya Kate,

Soo looking forward to my VFS now. Just heard your little recording, jeez u sound amazing! You must be so happy.

Interested to know how were before...

By the way, could you post a link to the FB group? I'd definitely like to go onto it

Thanks



J
"The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice...it is conformity."                  ~ Rollo May, Man's Search for Himself.
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iKate

Quote from: kitten_lover on October 16, 2015, 06:18:02 PM
Heya Kate,

Soo looking forward to my VFS now. Just heard your little recording, jeez u sound amazing! You must be so happy.

Interested to know how were before...

By the way, could you post a link to the FB group? I'd definitely like to go onto it

Thanks



J

Hi Jenna.

They are in posts #40 and 41 of this thread.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,192899.msg1719312.html#msg1719312

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,192899.msg1719314.html#msg1719314

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Elaine S

Quote from: iKate on October 14, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
Someone had asked me to do some free talking. Here it is.  http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ZqDvZL8uQR

Kate:

A really excellent recording. Congratulations, I'd say your your VFS was a complete success based on just that clip. Very good result ad I am VERY happy for you.

Be safe
Elaine
"Live up to your potential rather than down to others expectations"
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anjaq

Indeed, iKates surgery was one of the top results definitely :) - Its so great after such a short time already.

Regarding the facebook group - its a hidden grup - you would have to contact one of its members (for example me) and become "friends" on facebook, then that person can invite you into that group. AFAIK this is the only way to get new members in.

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kitten_lover

Thanks, Kate added me on to the group last night. Did you add me on facebook today? I had a couple of friend requests which I accepted.

No one seems to be going to Yeson the same time as I am :( If you are there between 1st November and 13th November - do get in touch please.


XoX

"The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice...it is conformity."                  ~ Rollo May, Man's Search for Himself.
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kitten_lover

Quote from: iKate on July 27, 2015, 10:16:48 AM
One of my colleagues today made a comment, that with my new voice everything more or less comes together now and I don't seem "odd" as a beautiful woman with a deep voice.

This means that passing is now effortless, which was the goal.

Nobody questions my voice at all.

I did an experiment over the weekend. I went in a T shirt and jeans and guyed it up as much as possible. But I talked to people in my new voice. One person looked at me weird, another person said "that lady over there" pointing to me. One person called me sir before I talked to him, then he apologized.


I love this! I sure hope I have just as good a result as you!! I've heard people experiementing before, it sounds like a good idea, I'm a bit too afraid too...don't take rejection well or being impassable well...

I think what you said about it all coming together, is EXACTLY what I'm aiming to achieve. In fact I'm going to make a voice recording so you can hear what my voice sounds like at present. For me it would mean the world to be able to express myself truly as I am.
"The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice...it is conformity."                  ~ Rollo May, Man's Search for Himself.
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kitten_lover

Nd there is my voice, excuse the washing machine in the background...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Q0CPWr12MM

"The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice...it is conformity."                  ~ Rollo May, Man's Search for Himself.
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Roni

Kate, this is the first time I've heard a recording from you and I must say you sound absolutely fantastic!! Your voice passes as cis to me. Gah! Hopefully my results end up half as good as yours!
On the wild journey to self-discovery. Free yourself.
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