Susan's Place Logo

News:

According to Google Analytics 25,259,719 users made visits accounting for 140,758,117 Pageviews since December 2006

Main Menu

My therapist thinks I am lying to her

Started by Jade_404, July 29, 2015, 04:42:39 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Jade_404

Hi All,

Well, I thought things were going pretty good even tho it was only my second session, my therapist again said, "Ok, so you are already on HRT?" to which I replied, "No, I told you that last time I was here." She gave me an odd look and continued with some other questions, which I answered truthfully. She asked if any relatives were Bipolar, to which I told her "Only my step sister as far as I know" I then told her I know I am not Bipolar, that I have friends that are treated for that, it is very different than my issue, very different. She said, "Sometimes Bipolar can mimic GD" I told her I think that is hogwash and if anything GD could cause Bipolar or other mental disorders. We agreed to disagree. But I agreed to answer her Bipolar diagnostic questions. I answered her Bipolar Quiz. I failed on the sleeping part. I don't sleep normal hours. Never have. She wanted to talk more about my sleeping, I did not. I brought up hormones.

This is where things got interesting. She asked me "Are you taking over the counter hormones that you got from a friend or the internet?" I answered "No, I told you all the medicine I am on including the vitamins and supplements I take, I gave you a list. Why would I even be here if I was self medicating?" to which she said "Well..." she then drew an hourglass from my hips up to my breasts in the air, cupping her hands at the end "How do you explain all this? How do you have breasts? Do you have estrogen in your system right now?" I said "I guess a little, did you not get my lab work from my doctor yet? I had all my hormone levels tested a few weeks back? I don't know what the numbers are, but I do want to know" at this point I felt like she was accusing me of something. I said "Look they grew in, maybe I wished them there, I don't know but this is part of what my Doctor is looking into. I had breast buds when I hit puberty but I got rid of them." she said "If you were growing breasts at puberty, you can't just get rid of them." to which I replied, "Yes I did, by changing my diet and doing testosterone supplements my friends got from Mexico, as well as thousands upon thousands of pushups and bench presses, I was scared to have breasts back then, I am not scared now." she said, "Yes... see, you told me this at our last session, that you got illegal supplements when you were young. If you did it then what is stopping you now? to which I replied "Ok fine, thanks for the Idea, I guess I will go look on the internet for my HRT needs." She says, very boldly "Do not self medicate, is is very dangerous and I will report that to your Doctor, look I will need to evaluate you for at least 3 months before even considering having you start HRT perhaps longer, and if I see any changes that indicate you may be taking illegal hormones I will prevent you from getting HRT thru your doctor." At this point I was getting very angry. I said "Look, I know I can get hormones and take them without a Doctor or therapist, but I know that is stupid and possibly even fatal. I am not stupid... Do you know what Intersex is? You said you did when we first met but I think you don't have a clue. All I have done is change my diet and exercise routines and stopped fighting off my female soul and you are accusing me of taking hormones. Telling me if there are more changes you will prevent me from getting HRT. I can't stop the changes, it is who I am! I think you DO need to talk to my Doctor, instead of making blind assumptions. I am paying out of pocket for theses sessions , dammit! You are waisting my time and money. You spent 20 minutes trying to diagnose me with Bipolar disorder, that is not why I was sent to you!" She said, "ohhhh... I guess you probably won't want to keep me as a therapist." She could tell I was pissed. But I calmed down, smiled and said  "No I will keep you, I like you, up until the point where you started accusing me of things. Look, I signed permission for you to get my medical records the first day I was here, why have you not got them, all my hormone levels are in my lab reports, maybe you should check those. I came to this session prepared, maybe you need to get your ->-bleeped-<- together, and you will be prepared for our next session." her mouth dropped open. I walked out.

I called my Doctor today and she was shocked that I was treated that way. She says there has been no request for my records yet, she is faxing them to the therapist today with a long letter. I wish I could read what that letter says, my Doctor was not happy with the way I was drilled by my therapist. Can a therapist dump me?

in the therapists defense,...

I am hella sexy. :p
I have B cup breasts, pushing for Cs.
I have very little body hair. Naturally.
I GLOW all feminin even with little or no makeup.
My butt and hips are getting nice and curvy.
I have nice legs.
I have long beautiful hair.
I have dazzling bright blue eyes.
and I am stuck on myself!, teehee,  Ever since I accepted my femininity I love the woman I see emerging! I never liked pictures of me before, I love them now, and in the mirror I see the woman I am becoming more often than the man I once was.

:-*
-Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

Dena

Yes your therapist can dump you and as your are paying the bill, she better shape up or you should consider another therapist. We do lie to therapist and I have seen it but you have done everything possible to prove you are telling truth. If this therapist fails to check out what you have presented then she isn't working in your best interest and it's time you find somebody else.
Rebirth Date 1982 - PMs are welcome - Use [email]dena@susans.org[/email] or Discord if your unable to PM - Skype is available - My Transition
If you are helped by this site, consider leaving a tip in the jar at the bottom of the page or become a subscriber
  •  

AnonyMs

I don't understand why you want to continue seeing this therapist. She sounds incompetent. I'd withdraw her access to your records, find another one, and threaten to report her if she tries to interfere with you after this. Find the other one first, just in case you can't.

The only thing in her favor would be that if she thinks you are lying then she's wondering what else you're lying about, and it sounds like she has some reason to wonder if you are lying. She should do her homework though and her response to it is terrible.

I told my psychiatrist and endocrinologist I was doing DIY, and neither had any problem with it, and why should they? I was seeing them so I could stop it (not so much the psych, I was depressed). I even told my psych I was going to tell him the truth about everything, even if it meant he'd never sign SRS letters for me (didn't need HRT by then), because I'd just go elsewhere to get them. I was there for therapy not permission, and I'm in charge. Again no problems. Both these people have helped me enormously.


  •  

Jade_404

I had to wait months to see her, I have called around and all the gender therapists in my area seem to be booked months out. I had another therapist before this one, she claimed help LGBT issues on her site and when I talked to her on the phone, after 6 expensive sessions over 3 months, she dumped me, saying "I don't feel I am qualified to help you, I have only worked with post transition people. I am sorry." I asked for my money back, she laughed.

I guess maybe I come off as a "know it all", or maybe they are threatened by my intelligence, but I have always had issues with therapists.

It has been almost a year now since my Doctor says I should be on HRT, but the condition is that I have a therapist who can help as I transition. I don't know what to do, if I go to a different therapist it could be many more months before I can get HRT. I am getting old too fast...

:(
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

Laura_7

  •  

Jasper93

Quote from: Jade_404 on July 29, 2015, 04:42:39 PM
Hi All,

Well, I thought things were going pretty good even tho it was only my second session, my therapist again said, "Ok, so you are already on HRT?" to which I replied, "No, I told you that last time I was here." She gave me an odd look and continued with some other questions, which I answered truthfully. She asked if any relatives were Bipolar, to which I told her "Only my step sister as far as I know" I then told her I know I am not Bipolar, that I have friends that are treated for that, it is very different than my issue, very different. She said, "Sometimes Bipolar can mimic GD" I told her I think that is hogwash and if anything GD could cause Bipolar or other mental disorders. We agreed to disagree. But I agreed to answer her Bipolar diagnostic questions. I answered her Bipolar Quiz. I failed on the sleeping part. I don't sleep normal hours. Never have. She wanted to talk more about my sleeping, I did not. I brought up hormones.

This is where things got interesting. She asked me "Are you taking over the counter hormones that you got from a friend or the internet?" I answered "No, I told you all the medicine I am on including the vitamins and supplements I take, I gave you a list. Why would I even be here if I was self medicating?" to which she said "Well..." she then drew an hourglass from my hips up to my breasts in the air, cupping her hands at the end "How do you explain all this? How do you have breasts? Do you have estrogen in your system right now?" I said "I guess a little, did you not get my lab work from my doctor yet? I had all my hormone levels tested a few weeks back? I don't know what the numbers are, but I do want to know" at this point I felt like she was accusing me of something. I said "Look they grew in, maybe I wished them there, I don't know but this is part of what my Doctor is looking into. I had breast buds when I hit puberty but I got rid of them." she said "If you were growing breasts at puberty, you can't just get rid of them." to which I replied, "Yes I did, by changing my diet and doing testosterone supplements my friends got from Mexico, as well as thousands upon thousands of pushups and bench presses, I was scared to have breasts back then, I am not scared now." she said, "Yes... see, you told me this at our last session, that you got illegal supplements when you were young. If you did it then what is stopping you now? to which I replied "Ok fine, thanks for the Idea, I guess I will go look on the internet for my HRT needs." She says, very boldly "Do not self medicate, is is very dangerous and I will report that to your Doctor, look I will need to evaluate you for at least 3 months before even considering having you start HRT perhaps longer, and if I see any changes that indicate you may be taking illegal hormones I will prevent you from getting HRT thru your doctor." At this point I was getting very angry. I said "Look, I know I can get hormones and take them without a Doctor or therapist, but I know that is stupid and possibly even fatal. I am not stupid... Do you know what Intersex is? You said you did when we first met but I think you don't have a clue. All I have done is change my diet and exercise routines and stopped fighting off my female soul and you are accusing me of taking hormones. Telling me if there are more changes you will prevent me from getting HRT. I can't stop the changes, it is who I am! I think you DO need to talk to my Doctor, instead of making blind assumptions. I am paying out of pocket for theses sessions , dammit! You are waisting my time and money. You spent 20 minutes trying to diagnose me with Bipolar disorder, that is not why I was sent to you!" She said, "ohhhh... I guess you probably won't want to keep me as a therapist." She could tell I was pissed. But I calmed down, smiled and said  "No I will keep you, I like you, up until the point where you started accusing me of things. Look, I signed permission for you to get my medical records the first day I was here, why have you not got them, all my hormone levels are in my lab reports, maybe you should check those. I came to this session prepared, maybe you need to get your ->-bleeped-<- together, and you will be prepared for our next session." her mouth dropped open. I walked out.

I called my Doctor today and she was shocked that I was treated that way. She says there has been no request for my records yet, she is faxing them to the therapist today with a long letter. I wish I could read what that letter says, my Doctor was not happy with the way I was drilled by my therapist. Can a therapist dump me?

in the therapists defense,...

I am hella sexy. :p
I have B cup breasts, pushing for Cs.
I have very little body hair. Naturally.
I GLOW all feminin even with little or no makeup.
My butt and hips are getting nice and curvy.
I have nice legs.
I have long beautiful hair.
I have dazzling bright blue eyes.
and I am stuck on myself!, teehee,  Ever since I accepted my femininity I love the woman I see emerging! I never liked pictures of me before, I love them now, and in the mirror I see the woman I am becoming more often than the man I once was.

:-*
-Jade
Holy ->-bleeped-<-. Classic gatekeeper, but worse than anything I've ever heard of. This is utterly insane. I'm very sorry that you had to go through that. I bet there was some jealousy somewhere in there on her part.
  •  

Jade_404

Quote from: Laura_7 on July 29, 2015, 05:43:16 PM
here are some online therapists for example... there are more...
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=187135.0


hugs

Thank you so much for the links!

hugs,
-Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

Jade_404

Quote from: AnonyMs on July 29, 2015, 05:14:30 PM
I was there for therapy not permission, and I'm in charge.

This is my new motto! I will say it in therapy! thank you so much!

hugs,
-Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

Jade_404

Quote from: Jasper93 on July 29, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
Holy ->-bleeped-<-. Classic gatekeeper, but worse than anything I've ever heard of. This is utterly insane. I'm very sorry that you had to go through that. I bet there was some jealousy somewhere in there on her part.

Yeah, I kind of got a sense of possible jealousy... She is about my age, but I look way better than her. I am in much better shape. She kept eyeballing me. lol

hugs,
-Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

AnonyMs

I've a few suggestions.

The doctor is asking you to have a therapist, but that's his choice. There's no legal requirement for it and he can prescribe anytime he wants. Can you persuade him otherwise? You can't find one and its causing you problems. Or find another doctor.

The online idea is good, and its one I'd have used if I needed to. You can also get SRS letters that way, and I believe some of them are quite flexible.

Can you travel elsewhere either to get a therapists letter or informed consent HRT? I expect someone here could tell where where its easy. Once you're on HRT for a while you don't need to see the doctor very often, especially if you can get on implants (not to start with though). I was considering traveling internationally (Thailand) to do this at one point but luckily I didn't need to.

Have you said where you are? Perhaps a post asking if there's anyone good in your location?

Once you're started on prescribed HRT your current doctor, or a new one, might be much more amenable to continuing to supervise it. I'm not sure but they may view it as someone else having taking responsibility for it, and no risk to them.

If you've not done it already I'd suggest reading WPATH SOC 7 very carefully. If you had actually already been on HRT the proper response would have been to skip the therapist letter and start on prescription HRT. Its harm minimization, and again shows what a poor therapist you have. I know someone who's done that.
  •  

Beth Andrea

Therapy for three months? Sheesh....I got my letter on the fourth visit. "Informed consent"...and if you sound like a know-it-all, as long as your knowledge is accurate and open to new insights, you should be good-to-go for HRT.

On a different note...it's not necessary to quote a lengthy first post in a thread, especially on the first page and only 5 posts down... ;)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
  •  

warlockmaker

I'm late to add to this threadbut I am appalled by your therapist's comments. I gave up finding a knowledegable therapist on gender issues in my city and turned to the internet and the list of therapist in this Forum.  I have had 3 therapist, the first I just didn't like the second was a great lady  whom I was with for 2 years but she developed family issues and was not relaible. Finally, found a male therapist who had loads of experience and he has not only been my therapist but my advisor and without him my journey would not be as easy.

Remember you are paying and if you are not comfortable then dump him like a hot potato. They are ment to be your friend in time of need, your advsor to listen and guide you. NOT one that makes you feel miserable and angry.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
  •  

jeni

Holy cow, I would be out of that office and never looking back.

Anyone who would threaten to withold HRT for any reason should not be treating trans people. She's not doing you a favor by hooking you up with a letter, she's a paid professional (I'd say trained, but given the story, I'm skeptical of that) and has a responsibility to recommend you be given HRT if it is medically necessary. She's basically threatening to engage in malpractice.
-=< Jennifer >=-

  •  

Laura_7

Here are some resources concerning informed consent:
https://www.susans.org/wiki/index.php/Informed_consent

There are many more... local endos and docs...
and plannedparenthood might be a possibility...


hugs
  •  

slickpixie

Your therapist sounds bi polar. I would get a new one.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  •  

iKate

I would absolutely RUN from this person. She sounds like a control freak!!! Not only that, she seems to have little to no understanding of your situation. Or, of trans care in general.

Like me, you may have been DES exposed or are possibly intersex. I suspect I'm one of the two but never bothered to investigate further. I had breast buds as an adolescent to teen, gynecomastia and low T all my life, including the reproductive effects. I also had hourglass dimensions before I even started HRT, and some of my bone structure is feminine such as my arms.

I did informed consent HRT after I was getting nowhere with my first therapist. My first therapist wasn't really a gatekeeper, she was more of a foot dragger. I took control, fired her, set up informed consent and found a new therapist.

And yes, people do self medicate. I am not condoning it, but why doesn't she get it? We get desperate because we figure there is no way out. Maybe our parents and yes those damned gatekeepers are holding us back... the more we do, the more likely we are to do something really, realy bad to ourselves. Those who hold us back have NO clue.
  •  

iKate

Quote from: jeni on July 30, 2015, 01:47:06 AM
Holy cow, I would be out of that office and never looking back.

Anyone who would threaten to withold HRT for any reason should not be treating trans people. She's not doing you a favor by hooking you up with a letter, she's a paid professional (I'd say trained, but given the story, I'm skeptical of that) and has a responsibility to recommend you be given HRT if it is medically necessary. She's basically threatening to engage in malpractice.

No kidding! If I experienced half of what went on in that therapy session I would seriously be marching down to the licensing board right after and making a complaint.
  •  

Jade_404

Quote from: slickpixie on July 30, 2015, 09:08:41 AM
Your therapist sounds bi polar. I would get a new one.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LOL, yeah she does seem bi polar, on our first meeting she was telling me I should be on HRT and how much it will help me, then second meeting accusing me of doing HRT without a doctor and threatening to prevent me from getting it. Seemed like I was talking to a different person.

hugs,

Jade
I've been afraid of changing, cuz I built my life around you.
but time makes you bolder, children get older , I'm getting older too.
  •  

slickpixie

Wow that's so crazy. You know it's a game she is playing to trip you up. To see if your story changes.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  •  

slickpixie

None the less I would find a new therapist if possible because this sounds like she could do more harm than good.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  •