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Started by androidnick, August 29, 2015, 02:51:48 PM

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androidnick

Alright, so at this point in my transition, I am pretty damn comfortable with myself. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to lose weight, however, that is a non-trans related issue. I've had top surgery, I've been on T, I live a stealth life, I have my career. I'm at a good place in my life.
I'm not looking to get married. However, it would be nice to have someone to go out with. That being said, I have no idea how to meet women. And I know even less about how to navigate the trans issue. I have been on OKCupid but I don't know. I rarely message women first. There's also the issue of reading their profiles and seeing they've answered the question "Would you date a trans person?" with "No".

I'm curious if perhaps opening myself up to the possibility of the lesbian community would be a good/bad idea. I've dated a sexually confused individual (still not sure how they identified) and a lesbian who seems to continue to have a thing for trans men but has emotional issues with it because they don't want to let go of that identity, and both relationships have been complete failures.

I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas or insight. I will not put that I'm trans on any of these websites because of my profession. I feel like this could cause many issues in my profession if anyone found out.
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Laura_7

You might look within the lesbian or lgbt community.
There might be meetups or lgbt centers with courses and activities.
You might also do a few things you like and could bring you in contact with people... cooking courses for singles... language courses... join a club... there might be sports clubs for lesbians if you are near a city...

you might get a bit more active online, many people like it if they are contacted in a nice way...
having a look at their profile and making a few personal remarks...
nice tshirt in your profile pic... a remark of something you have in common... etc...
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CMD042414

I have an OKC profile.I experiment with it, at times I state that I am trans and periodically I take it down. I have found I get more likes with it down but I think that is due more to women just not understanding. Don't get me wrong I got likes and messages with it stated too. There are many women open to it. It also helps that straight chicks get tired of being bombarded by creepy cis guys and they think a trans man is a happy medium! Anyway I've decided to keep it down for good. I will tell the woman if/when it gets to that critical point. I want her to get to know me as a man she is attracted to and likes before she knows. I've heard from plenty of straight cis female friends that at first they may be apprehensive but if they got to know the guy they wouldn't care if they liked him. I have been on dates and chatted via phone with OKCupid women alot. Some are not OK once they find out but that's to be expected.

As for the lesbian side I would say don't assume it's easier. I personally don't want a lesbian if she dates me because she does not see me as a man. Also, what I love about OKC is there are many different choices for how you refer to your gender/sex. I find many women who identify as pan, omni, bi, etc. Conversing with one who calls herself Cis right now, which I of course jumped on! Happy hunting.
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FTMax

I've used OkCupid with some success. Search for keywords like "queer" or "pansexual" to find women that will be more receptive to dating you. I had some good dates and made some good friends with that method. It's not necessarily exclusive though. My current girlfriend is a straight cis girl.

Chase Ross did a video about lesbians that date transguys, and I agree with it. As long as they see you as a man, I don't have an issue with it. If a lot of their friends are a part of the community, expect to be the subject of some gossip and expect them to have something to say about the relationship. Personally - it would not be something that I would seek out. If it was going to happen, I would want it to be something that happened organically. And it could, as I have a lot of lesbian friends from my past life as a lesbian.

Either way - I'd be wary of dating if you are as stealth as your post makes you seem. Single people for the most part don't experience drama to the same degree that people who are dating do. The last thing I'd want is to break up with someone on a Friday, and come into work Monday where everyone suddenly knows I'm transsexual because my girlfriend and I ended on bad terms.
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bwr

I met my boyfriend on okcupid. I identify as a straight cis woman, but had lots of queer friends in college so was familiar with the trans community.  He had his profile listed male looking for female, but briefly said he was trans in his description.  So I knew upfront and it spared him the coming out conversation (though for me, I would have responded positively either way, but it took the anxiety off him). guess my BF is pretty lucky though, I was the only woman he ever met on OKC!!  What can I say?  I'm a sucker for a man with pitbull and his puppy in his profile pic won me right over!

We live a pretty stealth life and aren't really part of any community where we live. We tried, but there was too much drama associated with his pre-transition, lesbian ex.  We are happy, but are definitely interested in meeting other couples.


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Stella Sophia

Would you ever date a trans chick? Cis people can be impossible.


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FTMax

Quote from: Stella Sophia on August 30, 2015, 01:42:27 AM
Would you ever date a trans chick? Cis people can be impossible.

Many people do. I've tried, and I would again depending on her mental state coming into the relationship. I've found that doubling the dysphoria is a recipe for disaster with me. So if she's at a point in her transition where she isn't experiencing a lot of dysphoria, I'd consider it. Otherwise it would probably be more trouble than it was worth.
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aross1015

Lesbians want women, not men, so I don't suggest looking within lesbian groups. 
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Laura_7

Quote from: aross1015 on September 01, 2015, 01:14:50 AM
Lesbians want women, not men, so I don't suggest looking within lesbian groups.

Well not necessarily...
there are bi and queer people...
and many of them like an emotional connection...
it might be possible to look at lgbt places...
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FTMDiaries

Whilst I agree that it's essentially true that lesbians want women and not men, I actually know of quite a few trans guys who are in successful relationships with women who identify as lesbian. This might be because women (as a whole) are more open to dating people outside their usual self-identified sexuality. A part of me worries that there's an underlying hint of transphobia there (i.e. that some of them may think it's okay to date a trans guy because he's 'not really a guy') and I find that a bit unsettling. But I'm not here to police other people's relationships and if a couple has found a way to make it work, then who am I to judge?

In most cases I've encountered, the couple started out in a lesbian relationship before one decided to transition and their love for each other was strong enough for the relationship to continue through and after transition. So it can happen, but the lesbian dating pool is small enough as it is, so I'd imagine the number of lesbians within that pool who would be open to dating a guy would be even smaller. Perhaps it's a lesbian dating puddle. ;)

But if you're looking for a brand-new person to date, you might encounter some negative reactions if you start looking for lesbians, because yes, they're on OKCupid because they're looking for women and some of them might not take kindly to being approached by men. For that exact reason, many of them will have their profiles set to not show straight people (mine certainly is, but that's a different story). ;) So why not try looking for bisexual women and straight women (i.e. women who already identify as being attracted to men)? For one thing, a lot of the bisexual women on there would love something other than the usual creepy guys whose opening gambit is 'fancy a threesome with my missus?'.

And another thing... I hate to say this, but many cis people think of 'trans person' as meaning 'trans woman'... or more accurately, they may think it means 'a man who wears women's clothing' and that might be why they ticked 'no' to that question: because they're specifically looking for a guy who presents full-time as a guy. But many of them are not even aware that trans guys exist and that some of us are straight, so it wouldn't have occurred to them that 'trans person' includes guys too. So of one if them seems otherwise promising apart from that one answer, why not message her anyway and see how it goes? A little education could go a long, long way - and you might find a diamond.





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graspthesanity

I'll chip in. I'd just say a big "no" to trying to find within lesbians specifically.

They are looking for women and from my own experience and being once in the lesbian community (I was struggling with not only my gender identity, but sexuality) that community was very toxic for me. It took me years to understand I was a trans man, because you get yanked back by the community which states "women can be anything, you're butch" and their obsession with sorry to be blunt but anyone who has a vagina. I wouldn't recommend it at all. Also don't forget that they really erase trans men in history. I've seen a lot of ignorance, even taking "Boys Don't Cry" as a lesbian movie.

You can try bisexual, queer, pansexual women if you want within the lgbt community. But again, from my experience I've been more accepted by men and non-binary people than women. That differs for each person. I'm just sharing my experience:)

Laura_7

Quote from: graspthesanity on September 01, 2015, 03:23:21 PM
I'll chip in. I'd just say a big "no" to trying to find within lesbians specifically.

They are looking for women and from my own experience and being once in the lesbian community (I was struggling with not only my gender identity, but sexuality) that community was very toxic for me. It took me years to understand I was a trans man, because you get yanked back by the community which states "women can be anything, you're butch" and their obsession with sorry to be blunt but anyone who has a vagina. I wouldn't recommend it at all. Also don't forget that they really erase trans men in history. I've seen a lot of ignorance, even taking "Boys Don't Cry" as a lesbian movie.

You can try bisexual, queer, pansexual women if you want within the lgbt community. But again, from my experience I've been more accepted by men and non-binary people than women. That differs for each person. I'm just sharing my experience:)

Well there can sometimes be some kind of peer pressure to insist on lesbian values.
But its people after all, and it might have changed a bit the last years...
so some people might be attracted, some might be put off, and some might be neutral...
if there is a feeling to have something in common and some kind of chemistry one on one it might have a chance...
and in general, lgbt people like queer people or bi people might be open...


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Jean24

Sorry for the invasion guys, I find your topics so much more interesting. I have tried lesbian dating as well and it just doesn't seem to work out. Most of them are completely turned off regardless of when I tell them that I'm MtF, be it a few hours after meeting them and becoming friends or after months and building up the courage to tell them. While most of them say that they are not interested in that at all or won't be interested in me until I change more drastically, most straight women that I meet are interested until I reveal that. After that they get really sad and ask me not to change. I'm really not into men so I kinda limit myself there but idk lol I just feel weird. Maybe once my anatomy changes a bit more I'll experiment.

It makes the whole thing so hard because I refuse to put up "I'm trans," since most places don't even have a spot for it in the first place and it's a very personal thing to me that I don't go around saying to everyone. I'm not really sure what to do but I am glad that I'm not the only one that has run into these problems!
Trying to take it one day at a time :)
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aross1015

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 01, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Well not necessarily...
there are bi and queer people...
and many of them like an emotional connection...
it might be possible to look at lgbt places...

If I meant bi or queer people I would have said that, lesbians =/= bi, lesbians =/= queer
thought some lesbians do ID themselves queer, there's no guarantee that the lesbian someone approaches ID's themselves as such. 
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Brandon

Quote from: Laura_7 on September 01, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Well not necessarily...
there are bi and queer people...
and many of them like an emotional connection...
it might be possible to look at lgbt places...

Idk my girl is bi but leans more towards men and she's only dated one girl in her past, me personally I think its hot having a bisexual girlfriend lol but a bi girlfriend would work haha that's be his best bet if straight girls aren't working
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BenKenobi

I think bi or pan is the safest route to take. Surprisingly though I've met more gay guys that were open than i thought so anything is possible i guess
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Laura_7

Quote from: aross1015 on September 01, 2015, 10:39:40 PM
If I meant bi or queer people I would have said that, lesbians =/= bi, lesbians =/= queer
thought some lesbians do ID themselves queer, there's no guarantee that the lesbian someone approaches ID's themselves as such.
Of course you are right.
But there is something like the kinsey scale, running from 0 meaning straight to 6 meaning exclusively gay.
Most people are somewhere on that spectrum. And its possible people identify as lesbian while being bi on the spectrum, saying they cannot relate much to most men on a relationship level. Thus the hint to an emotional connection. If approached by a sensible person it might be possible they open up.

With lesbian groups there is sometimes some kind of peer pressure. But if talked one on one some people might be interested.

Well the best hint might be queer people who say they do not date a gender but a person.


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