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323 Hz Rainbow Passage - 3 months post surgery (Glottoplasty done by Remacle)

Started by Cristal Lecter, September 02, 2015, 06:07:41 AM

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Cristal Lecter

Hi girls

Only 3 months after Wendler Glottoplasty I get this result. I PROMISE I don't cheat on this voice, this is my regular voice. I'm a friend of Anja and we often talk on Skype, she can tell you that I'm not over doing it

I let you imagine how much I'm happy about this result

PS : I''m coming from a 122Hz damaged puberty voice, and 200 Hz trained voice

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kwala

Quote from: Cristal Lecter on September 02, 2015, 06:07:41 AM
Hi girls

Only 3 months after Wendler Glottoplasty I get this result. I PROMISE I don't cheat on this voice, this is my regular voice. I'm a friend of Anja and we often talk on Skype, she can tell you that I'm not over doing it

I let you imagine how much I'm happy about this result

PS : I''m coming from a 122Hz damaged puberty voice, and 200 Hz trained voice


Sounds great. I love that you don't have to work or strain at all to achieve that pitch. Total success!
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Cristal Lecter

Quote from: kwala on September 02, 2015, 11:56:13 AM
Sounds great. I love that you don't have to work or strain at all to achieve that pitch. Total success!

thank you Kwala No I don't do anything to speak like that not even a single bit, I'm amazed day after day to have this voice, and it's crazy to think that it'll keep improving along the next year or so...

Amongst ALL the surgeries I had, this is for me the most impressive
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iKate

Okay first of all let me say that you sound good. Really good in fact. Congrats, your surgery was a success.

However, I am not "getting" the obsession with pitch and Hz. Personally I think anything above 250Hz would be waaaaay to high for me to talk. In my daily speech I talk around 210-260Hz, sometimes dipping to 180-200 because I vary my pitch a lot. 323Hz average speaking pitch for me would just sound... weird.

My voice sounds good, yours sounds good, we pass with our voices (I've only been referred to as a male once and that was a bad connection) so it's all good.
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Cristal Lecter

Quote from: iKate on September 02, 2015, 02:31:36 PM
Okay first of all let me say that you sound good. Really good in fact. Congrats, your surgery was a success.

However, I am not "getting" the obsession with pitch and Hz. Personally I think anything above 250Hz would be waaaaay to high for me to talk. In my daily speech I talk around 210-260Hz, sometimes dipping to 180-200 because I vary my pitch a lot. 323Hz average speaking pitch for me would just sound... weird.

My voice sounds good, yours sounds good, we pass with our voices (I've only been referred to as a male once and that was a bad connection) so it's all good.

Thank you For listening Kate. You're absolutely right my voice for the moment is high but I'm only 3 months after the surgery to I believe it will settle lower than it is now, or if it stays there I wil have gradually more practice in using this voice

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kwala

Quote from: iKate on September 02, 2015, 02:31:36 PM
Okay first of all let me say that you sound good. Really good in fact. Congrats, your surgery was a success.

However, I am not "getting" the obsession with pitch and Hz. Personally I think anything above 250Hz would be waaaaay to high for me to talk. In my daily speech I talk around 210-260Hz, sometimes dipping to 180-200 because I vary my pitch a lot. 323Hz average speaking pitch for me would just sound... weird.

My voice sounds good, yours sounds good, we pass with our voices (I've only been referred to as a male once and that was a bad connection) so it's all good.
I understand what you're saying iKate, and you are correct this is not a battle to see who can gain the highest mean speaking pitch.  That being said I think it's wonderful that Cristal CAN speak in this range if she chooses.  If she settles on a lower pitch for speaking, it will be her choice and not because she is limited.  Speaking in this range from her modal voice and not flipping into head voice also bodes well for screaming, crying, and singing in a totally feminine voice which is excellent news.
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iKate

Quote from: kwala on September 02, 2015, 03:40:07 PMSpeaking in this range from her modal voice and not flipping into head voice also bodes well for screaming, crying, and singing in a totally feminine voice which is excellent news.

Oh I agree. However, my speaking pitch is normally in the 220s as I mentioned yet all of these involuntary sounds (except screaming) are feminine.
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Cristal Lecter

Quote from: kwala on September 02, 2015, 03:40:07 PM
I understand what you're saying iKate, and you are correct this is not a battle to see who can gain the highest mean speaking pitch.  That being said I think it's wonderful that Cristal CAN speak in this range if she chooses.  If she settles on a lower pitch for speaking, it will be her choice and not because she is limited.  Speaking in this range from her modal voice and not flipping into head voice also bodes well for screaming, crying, and singing in a totally feminine voice which is excellent news.

Kwala I've regain my head voice recently but it's not available all the time when I want it, and yes this voice is not a head at all ...I just HOPE SO MUCH what you said was right about the range of expression I will have, you know I go day after day with the convalescence period I'm in, I'm just being careful with not speaking too much, working very hard of not straining my voice, getting rid of the old habits of " shouting" (it was the only way I could have a trained voice ) ...I'm just trying to be a good student
May be my decades of working with wind instrument (knowing how to breath ) is a very good advantage but in fact I've no idea why the result I've for now is so good, the first person who is surprised is me
I've said that before I had 7 surgeries related to the transition but this one , the last, is the one who has the BIGGEST impact on me
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kwala

Quote from: Cristal Lecter on September 02, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Kwala I've regain my head voice recently but it's not available all the time when I want it, and yes this voice is not a head at all ...I just HOPE SO MUCH what you said was right about the range of expression I will have, you know I go day after day with the convalescence period I'm in, I'm just being careful with not speaking too much, working very hard of not straining my voice, getting rid of the old habits of " shouting" (it was the only way I could have a trained voice ) ...I'm just trying to be a good student
May be my decades of working with wind instrument (knowing how to breath ) is a very good advantage but in fact I've no idea why the result I've for now is so good, the first person who is surprised is me
I've said that before I had 7 surgeries related to the transition but this one , the last, is the one who has the BIGGEST impact on me
I can totally relate to that because I play clarinet for a living.  I'm hoping my musical background will be of use in navigating my new voice after my glottoplasty in October just as yours seems to be :)
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iKate

I trained in public speaking as well as broadcasting and announcing. So I learned to manipulate and project my voice
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kwala

Quote from: iKate on September 02, 2015, 09:01:22 PM
I trained in public speaking as well as broadcasting and announcing. So I learned to manipulate and project my voice
That's great!  I'm sure it is part of the reason you were able to adjust so well to your new voice :)
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anjaq

I still wonder about 2 things with these surgeries...
How come some have a pitch gain of a couple of semitones, maybe 30 or 50 Hz, most have 75 Hz apparently - and others have a pitch gain of 200 Hz - how is this physically possible at all, given that in all cases roughly the same percentage of the vocal folds is shortened?

The other thing is - how is it possible to have a voice that is baritone to begin with - as most of the people who did the surgery seem to have (120 or 130 Hz average in relaxed pre op speaking voice), but apparently for some the voice break from modal to chest voice is very high (with Cristal it must be way above the 300 Hz mark to get a 320 Hz average speaking voice without breaking into head voice) and for some it is very low (like in my case, I already break at the transition from C4 to D4) - does it change for some with the surgery and for others it does not change?

Maybe those are connected? Does the point of the voice break maybe limit the amount of increase in pitch that is possible with the surgery? Considering that if I had a pitch gain similar to Cristal, I would not be able to speak at all in modal voice anymore - which ic impossible since the muscles are all still there, so maybe the surgery will always put you in a place that still has some range below the break and the average always settles a bit below that break?

I would be very interested now, to know from other patients what their pitch gain (from XHz to Y Hz) was with the surgery and what their pre op vocal break was at - if both correlate, One could predict the outcome of the surgery for future patients!

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kwala

Quote from: anjaq on September 03, 2015, 12:00:44 PM
I still wonder about 2 things with these surgeries...
How come some have a pitch gain of a couple of semitones, maybe 30 or 50 Hz, most have 75 Hz apparently - and others have a pitch gain of 200 Hz - how is this physically possible at all, given that in all cases roughly the same percentage of the vocal folds is shortened?

The other thing is - how is it possible to have a voice that is baritone to begin with - as most of the people who did the surgery seem to have (120 or 130 Hz average in relaxed pre op speaking voice), but apparently for some the voice break from modal to chest voice is very high (with Cristal it must be way above the 300 Hz mark to get a 320 Hz average speaking voice without breaking into head voice) and for some it is very low (like in my case, I already break at the transition from C4 to D4) - does it change for some with the surgery and for others it does not change?

Maybe those are connected? Does the point of the voice break maybe limit the amount of increase in pitch that is possible with the surgery? Considering that if I had a pitch gain similar to Cristal, I would not be able to speak at all in modal voice anymore - which ic impossible since the muscles are all still there, so maybe the surgery will always put you in a place that still has some range below the break and the average always settles a bit below that break?

I would be very interested now, to know from other patients what their pitch gain (from XHz to Y Hz) was with the surgery and what their pre op vocal break was at - if both correlate, One could predict the outcome of the surgery for future patients!
Lots of interesting observations, Anja.

First of all, human voices are just so different and so many variables come into play to create the sound that exits our mouths when we phonate.

Firstly,  it's important to note that a voice break for most people doesn't have one definite pitch.  Usually there is a range of several notes where the voice begins to "think" about changing gears.  This can be as small as 2-3 semitones or as large as a perfect fifth.   For me personally my voice starts thinking about a shift around F#4 but I can stretch all the way to Bb4 if I resist the urge to flip.  If I really strain I can push it through to B4 or C5 but it is somewhat painful and not healthy vocal technique.  This can all vary on how tired my voice is, what time of day it is, whether or not I've done singing warm ups, etc.  In general, the more time one spends singing or speaking in this range, the stronger the muscles become and the easier it is to go higher without cracking.  It could be that many of the patients started out with the same voice type but certain patients have been able to get more comfortable with the uppermost parts of their break area due to singing lessons.  As you pointed out,  people sing with a much greater range than they speak with (especially in the upper end).  Voice therapy probably spends a lot more time focusing on the fundamental speaking frequency, which is actually around a whole octave lower than the upper limits of a true tenor and about a fifth or so below the upper limits of a baritone.  That doesn't mean they speak in those ranges, it would be strenuous and unnatural.   However, it is very possible that just having trained their muscles to produce sound in that configuration using chest voice could have an impact on their voice after glottoplasty.  Just a theory.

Edited to add: before taking voice lessons I was able to take my chest voice up to a G4 only.  After two years of off and on study I was able to take it up to Bb4 consistently. Of course, that was when I was singing as a man.  When trying to sing in a feminine voice I now use head and mix for most of my break area.
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kwala

Quote from: bibilinda on September 03, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Hey Kwala, I think most if not all of us, specially people who have never trained their voice at all do have ONE particular note where they definitely do break into falsetto (men) or head voice (women).

According to the New Harvard Dictionary of Music, the most typical voice ranges from adults that have not altered their voices surgically, are these:



Range   Low Note   High Note
Soprano   C4   A5
Mezzo Soprano   A3   F5
Alto   F3   D5
Contralto   D3   B4
Tenor   B2   G4
Baritone   G2   E4
Bass   E2   C4

These ranges are of course, the lowest and highest singable notes IN CHEST VOICE. That is, before vocal fry (in the lowest-note part) or mixed voice (in the highest-note part).

I KNOW I am a tenor, simply because the very highest note I can sing in chest voice, when my voice is completely healthy, is a G4. If I sing a G#4 and it "sounds good" (no break/crack noticeable) it would be simply because I am using a mixed voice that blended perfectly well with my very last and thin chest note (G4).

Of course this is a very broad classification, since there are several types of tenors for example. The tenor used here is the one in the very middle, not high (breaking around A4 or even A#4) and not low (breaking on F4, sometimes called baritenor).

What Anjaq proposes is really interesting because so far it seems no one who has had vocal surgery and none of the doctors or clinics offering VFS, seem to care to find out, previous to the surgery, the REAL vocal range of the person (as simple as shown in the table, low and high note in chest voice), and THEN, after the surgery, say at least six months afterwards, the NEW voice range (again, in chest voice, the lowest and highest note).

I hope this issue becomes something widely available to consult for people interested in any of the different types of surgeries mentioned by Anjaq, because it is such an elementary thing. AFAIK no one can "fake" their true voice range in chest voice, no matter how skilled they may be at singing. I am very surprised that doctors still cannot offer something really specific regarding voice surgery, if they are actually altering the vocal cords to become similar to those of women. I mean something like saying with no doubts whatsoever: "you are a baritone now and you will become a contralto, which is the lowest female voice possible, but still a female voice."

But of course it is a very complex issue, but it is nice to at least try and discuss it, because surgery results seem to be so incredibly different if you read the threads (there are some people talking about awesome results, and others talking about no results at all, or even vocal damage, but nobody seems to have any records of their pre-post vocal ranges). At least I am pretty sure myself that my voice break/crack is at G4, my top singable note is G5 (anything after that is forced and unnatural) and my only doubt is my lowest note, because it seems that before my trachea shave it was around B2 and a few months after it I was able to sing as low as E2! But at that time I couldn't even reach my falsetto register. And now I don't even try to sing low. The other day I tried to sing lower than B2 and I hurt my voice, so I really have no idea what my lowest note is. My point is, if I ever get VFS, I WILL KNOW FOR SURE that I was a tenor with a voice break at G4 pre-surgery, and my top singable note is G5, so anything different from that that may happen six months after VFS will definitely be a change, either for the better or the worse. And of course I will document it!

Cheers

Bibi B.
Yes, everyone has an upper limit but just because your highest note is say, A4, does not mean that you can't crack/flip/break into head voice on say, a G4 which is a full step below.  It is also possible that as a beginner, your upper limit may be at one pitch and with exercise you may be able to increase that limit.

Those voice ranges do not match with the ones I am familiar with, nor do they match up with historic opera parts for those voice categories.  There are numerous tenor arias that showcase Bb4, B4, and the famous "Tenor High C" or C5.  Secondly, there is overlap in vocal ranges for many different voice types and the voice types are also categorized in terms of tonal color.  For example, if your highest note is G4 and your voice is dark and boomy, you may actually be a baritone.   If your voice is bright and light, you are probably a tenor despite what your current range is.  I know a bunch of mezzo sopranos (called Altos in a choral setting) who can hit whistle tones.  Why are they altos?  Because their voices are most resonant in the mid range notes just below where a Soprano usually sings.
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kwala

Quote from: bibilinda on September 03, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Those definitions (the table I showed), from the New Harvard Dictionary of Music, are used in music cataloging, using the Library of Congress Subject Headings and RDA. The library Web page at Yale university mentions them too. Other sources, which you may be more familiar with, may cite different ranges.

But this is not a music-related thread in essence, it is more about the effects of VFS. I disagree with you that there are several voice break notes. I respect your opinion, but when one's voice is totally healthy, the very same note (a single one) is the one that FIRST cracks and from there, a whole range of notes begins. But it is always the first one, the one that is used for voice types and passaggios, not several notes. Even before I started practicing singing, my voice break had always been G4 in chest voice. I have not altered it by voice practice. I have just smoothed out the next notes, so it feels like I don't even have a break, or like my break starts a bit higher, but I KNOW I am using mixed voice starting on G#4, and any trained ear can easily realize it. They surely won't think I'm breaking at G4, G#4, A4, A#4, B5 until my voice gets a bit more stable at C5. They know I just broke on G4, and then I kept in an awkward place (if not using mixed voice) a few notes after, untill fully entering head voice.

If you think a person who has always naturally cracked at G4 since adulthood such as me may be a baritone, not a tenor it's fine, it's your opinion, but it certainly doesn't agree with the mainstream view of what a tenor is, according to voice break. The classifications were made regardless of how bright or dark the voice is. They were made specifically according to the lowest and highest singable pitches, where the voice breaks occur. The very first time I went to a music academy, the voice teacher told me to sing along the piano, note by note. I would hardly reach a weak A2. I broke as usual starting at G4, and then I started a forced falsetto until somewhere like B5. Him (a baritone professional singer) and the music academy director (a high tenor professional singer as well), both told me I was no doubt a tenor, and at that time, it was before starting HRT and I was completely ignorant, so I actually got really angry at them for "calling me a tenor" because I thought that was a super-weak useless voice, compared to a baritone.

So bottom line, both the New Harvard dictionary of music and the Yale library Web page agree on those voice classifications. And the only people who have ever tested me to find out my voice range, the first time I ever approached a music school, agreed that I was a tenor, based on my voice breaking at G4, reaching a very forced B5 in a pathetic falsetto, and singing a totally pathetic note in A2 with no strength. If you think that is a baritone, it's okay but we definitely don't agree on that.

Cheers

Bibi B.
Well, it just so happens that Yale is where I went to grad school and received my Masters in music performance.  I just got off the phone with an old friend from my graduating class.  She is a professional mezzo.  She explained to me that the chart you are referring to is in fact a guide for choral parts and is meant to highlight the "comfort zone" for each voice type in a choral setting, not the upper and lower extremes of each voice type.  It is a generic guide for composers and chorus leaders.  For a more exhaustive explanation and list, I'd check out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_type which takes a number of different sources into account.

If the upper limit for a tenor was a G4, that tenor would be unable to perform almost all of the most famous operatic tenor roles by Mozart, Donizetti, Puccini, Wagner, etc.

Almost forgot, I never said you were a baritone, as I've never heard your singing voice, I merely said it was possible depending on the quality of your voice.  You most likely are a tenor, especially if a coach has told you so.  I have a feeling that with training you would find that your upper most notes without breaking may expand a bit.
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bibilinda

Quote from: kwala on September 03, 2015, 06:44:49 PM
Well, it just so happens that Yale is where I went to grad school and received my Masters in music performance.  I just got off the phone with an old friend from my graduating class.  She is a professional mezzo.  She explained to me that the chart you are referring to is in fact a guide for choral parts and is meant to highlight the "comfort zone" for each voice type in a choral setting, not the upper and lower extremes of each voice type.  It is a generic guide for composers and chorus leaders.  For a more exhaustive explanation and list, I'd check out https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_type which takes a number of different sources into account.

If the upper limit for a tenor was a G4, that tenor would be unable to perform almost all of the most famous operatic tenor roles by Mozart, Donizetti, Puccini, Wagner, etc.

Almost forgot, I never said you were a baritone, as I've never heard your singing voice, I merely said it was possible depending on the quality of your voice.  You most likely are a tenor, especially if a coach has told you so.  I have a feeling that with training you would find that your upper most notes without breaking may expand a bit.

I didn't go to music school. So, good for you that you did. I just went to that music school I mentioned, to see if I took up singing classes to sing in rock bands, before even realizing I was trans, and when they told me I was a tenor I got so upset that I left and never went back. All I have is two months of drums rudiments in a music school and the experience of playing in a couple of rock bands as a drummer before HRT. So I'm no music expert by any means and I'm not claiming to be one.

I also made a big mistake calling myself a tenor because I am no longer a male physically and I never was one mentally. So I guess I am a transgender woman with a huge voice disability, that's all. I would never ever sing tenor parts (or any other composition designed for a male tessitura ) anywhere even if I could, I'd rather die. So I will never be a professional opera singer or anything even remotely similar I guess. And I don't even like opera, so it's okay.

Back to the issue, I KNOW my voice naturally breaks on G4 and its upper singing limit in head voice is G5. So if I ever get VFS, I will make sure I will check if these limits NATURALLY expand, without the use of vocal training. Just by the surgery itself. But of course what I'd like to see is doctors performing VFS giving a more clear perspective of what to realistically expect about range increase. G4 and G5 are very specific parameters for a break and top note, regardless of whatever you may call it. For me to expect a surgery to be successful in feminizing my handicapped voice, B4 and B5 would be my minimum expectations if they were to shorten my vocal cords and I would also expect to have a usable whistle register like any woman does, for shrieking emotionally like a scared girl. Any woman no matter if she's even a contralto, can easily shriek notes in the 6th octave when they get really upset, excited or scared. I've seen a couple do that in a tennis match (Azarenka vs. Wozniaki lol) I recorded those loud shrieks and I remember that the first reached something like a C#7 I think and the latter was "much lower" in pitch, I think she "only" reached something around an A6, not too shabby either. That's natural stuff, their throats were designed to easily make utterances as such. None of those two is even remotely a singer AFAIK. Just two girls in their early twenties showing emotion, that's all.

Here you go. I really doubt VFS can help one accomplish something like this. Please check 0:35 and 1:26. Can the highest tenor ever do this NATURALLY? I don't think so!
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kwala

Quote from: bibilinda on September 03, 2015, 08:26:15 PM
I didn't go to music school. So, good for you that you did. I just went to that music school I mentioned, to see if I took up singing classes to sing in rock bands, before even realizing I was trans, and when they told me I was a tenor I got so upset that I left and never went back. All I have is two months of drums rudiments in a music school and the experience of playing in a couple of rock bands as a drummer before HRT. So I'm no music expert by any means and I'm not claiming to be one.

I also made a big mistake calling myself a tenor because I am no longer a male physically and I never was one mentally. So I guess I am a transgender woman with a huge voice disability, that's all. I would never ever sing tenor parts (or any other composition designed for a male tessitura ) anywhere even if I could, I'd rather die. So I will never be a professional opera singer or anything even remotely similar I guess. And I don't even like opera, so it's okay.

Back to the issue, I KNOW my voice naturally breaks on G4 and its upper singing limit in head voice is G5. So if I ever get VFS, I will make sure I will check if these limits NATURALLY expand, without the use of vocal training. Just by the surgery itself. But of course what I'd like to see is doctors performing VFS giving a more clear perspective of what to realistically expect about range increase. G4 and G5 are very specific parameters for a break and top note, regardless of whatever you may call it. For me to expect a surgery to be successful in feminizing my handicapped voice, B4 and B5 would be my minimum expectations if they were to shorten my vocal cords and I would also expect to have a usable whistle register like any woman does, for shrieking emotionally as a scared girl.
I totally agree with you that it would be great if these surgeons could provide information in more detail in terms of pitch names and changes in vocal registers.   The reason they probably don't is 1)They are surgeons, not singers 2)It is not necessary for their patients to understand these details in order to have a successful result 3)Most of these changes are extremely late term and it's hard for both patients and surgeons to stay in touch over such a long period of time.  So, for now we can only rely on the information from patients here on the web (who have been more than generous in sharing a wealth of information).  Anyway, Bibi, all I can tell you is that your questions are ones that I have wondered about many times and I plan to answer them in as much detail as I possibly can after my surgery.  Hopefully my surgery is a success and my notes will help you and others who may be considering it in the near future or down the line.  I plan to post clear examples of head, chest, and mixed voice (assuming all are still possible when I'm far enough along in my healing) and I will even do a glissando over my entire new range to let people know what to expect.  As far as whistle voice, you know from the other thread that I have one (though inconsistent as all hell hehe) and I'll definitely be investigating that register when i feel healthy enough. Already made some "before" recordings so that you all can have a clear comparison.  About 6 weeks away from the date, and then at least 2 months before I will attempt singing (maybe longer depending on how I feel) but I will post speaking before and afters as soon as I can.
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Cristal Lecter

OMG !!!!

You guys are REALLY rocket scientists, I thought I was clever, but in fact I've a LOT to learn to dissect the underlining of this type of surgery.

Seriously I've NO idea what I'm doing or what has been done with my voice, Anja could tell you how much I've been stressed since February, and having the voice I've got is just like winning at the lottery

The only 2 explanations I can bring is 1) Having a very advanced breathing technique, 2) having in my head for YEARS my inner female voice.
I know it's cheap explanations but this is the only one I've got

PS: Professor Remacle asked me a couple of days ago, to record a presentation video to show at his seminars and probably some future patients
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iKate

Quote from: anjaq on September 03, 2015, 12:00:44 PM
I still wonder about 2 things with these surgeries...
How come some have a pitch gain of a couple of semitones, maybe 30 or 50 Hz, most have 75 Hz apparently - and others have a pitch gain of 200 Hz - how is this physically possible at all, given that in all cases roughly the same percentage of the vocal folds is shortened?

Beats me. I have 70-80Hz pitch increase now, but actually it's more like 100Hz because I was at 134Hz before I went full time.

So I'm thinking factors other than surgery are at play. I had my spiro dose increased and I am taking a different E that feels noticeably different. (Same estradiol just different pill mfg, different coating which affects absorption). They say hormones have no effect on voice but I'm begging to differ.

I also have better health habits than before like drinking more water and staying active.

But I think it's because as you've said before this is more like voice supporting surgery and it is much easier to access higher pitches so we just do. Even if you train a stock male voice it can go up to female pitch and get stuck there by default. I suspect the surgery is making this easier and enabling us to go higher.

In my case I'm not playing the Hz wars, as I've heard some voices with high Hz that sounds absolutely clockable and false sounding. I'm happy with a pitch variation of 190-260Hz or so which gives me plenty of headroom for prosody. Engineering practice I guess where I always design a system to have enough headroom to handle spikes. :)

One other thing that may work in my favor is that while I'm not petite I'm smaller than a lot of genetic males. I also don't have much of a visible Adam's apple and my voice drop happened later in puberty. I had a high voice all through secondary school.
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Cristal Lecter

Quote from: iKate on September 04, 2015, 07:22:59 AM
In my case I'm not playing the Hz wars, as I've heard some voices with high Hz that sounds absolutely clockable and false sounding.

Be frank and honest, do you think I'm " clockable" ?
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