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Started by Christo, September 15, 2007, 01:58:25 AM

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Christo

 ??? :(
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Kimberly

Um, realize that she has a life with her own wants and such? Or perhaps more to the point that her involvement is not, or at least should not be a necessity? Certainly good yes, certainly nice yes, but really not a necessity is it?

Mind you I agree with your back though, together or nothing, but in the same not everyone is the same; Ok no one is but few are similar; Sometimes we luck in and find someone exceedingly compatible, but more often than not joint efforts are comprised of compromises. So, in essence, you find how how many compromises you can stand, talk very much and hopefully you can both find arrangements which will make you both happy.

It takes two to tango as the saying goes, but it doesn't take two all of the time.

I wish you luck and happiness (=
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Hazumu

Hi, Chris;

For people who have finally accepted themselves as trans, it's a very scary road.  Many have been emotionally injured because their search for what's normal for them is discouraged by society.

My first stepfather was from Georgia and would physically and emotionally abuse me for showing the least hint of femininity, fearing that if he didn't act to 'make a man out of me', I would turn into a ->-bleeped-<-got.  He wanted me to play football and other rough ultra-male sports, and tried relentlessly to push me into activities I didn't care for.  Others have had similar experiences of varying intensity.

For the trans guys, it's generally a wee bit easier (notice I said 'generally', individual cases can vary widely.)  Sadly, most societies code maleness as being preferable to femaleness.  But it's still a difficult path for one to take who feels 'the calling', and well-meaning people will make it difficult for the trans-guy to break out of the societal cage.

So, many of us, while we are driven to transition, never learn to accept that we deserve to be our true selves.  It always feels as if we're sneaking into a place we don't belong, or stealing an essence that doesn't belong to us.  And if we can just somehow keep that part of us hidden, we won't get kicked out of the tent.

It's very hard for some of us to accept for themselves that our trans-selves DO belong -- DO have as much right as anybody else to be wherever it is we wish to be.

I've asked my therapist about this, having heard enough stories about post-SRS depression, and being concerned that I might also be susceptible.  She said she was aware of it, too, and that we were going to work on my accepting that I DESERVE to transition, and that I accept that there is nothing wrong with my being a trans-girl.  We don't talk much about gender issues, but we work through the kind of crap that might be thrown at me when a small percentage of people detect my trans-ness and decide to air their bigotry about it.  What my therapist and I are doing is sort of an emotional drown-proofing, I guess you could call it.

Throw into the mix that boys and girls each have different approaches to sexual intimacy.  Basically, girls are attracted to emotions/feelings/personality -- ripped abs or well-cut arms and legs by themselves are not a turn-on, but what it tells us girls about the guys' dedication (and the fact he can afford to spend that much time in a gym) is an indication of some quality that is attractive.  I've always fallen into this category -- my partners' looks didn't matter, but their personality was the turn-on.

Boys on the other hand are into body parts.  I'm sure you have heard of guys describing themselves as leg-men, etc.  They focus on only one part.  While at Cindi's place, someone (Dennis, I think,) mentioned a guy that was on his fifth divorce.  He would marry a blonde of a particular body shape and between the ages of 25 and 30, then buy her a breast augmentation.  When she fell out of his tolerance (usually because she had the audacity to turn 31), he'd divorce her and find another and buy HER a boob-job.  He was on his FIFTH divorce, and bankrupt because of it.  But he couldn't stop, and was already shopping for #6.  It's an extreme example, but it illustrates the point I'm trying to make.  And many bio-girls are traumatized by their male lovers losing interest because they've had a kid and now have stretch-marks, or they've lost that sveldt figure, or any number of superficial things.  And they take it hard because inside, they're the same person, and now their partner has rejected them.

So, Chris, I would say the kindest thing you can do right now is to give the girl you love the chance and the space and the opportunity to BE an ordinary bio-girl, and help her to keep that secret...  You don't need her there by your side to fight for trans issues.  You don't even need to fight in public.  You can contact elected representatives by e-mail or phone.  You can donate to organizations such as Transgender Law Center or Human Rights Campaign (I've met the San Francisco coordinator.)  There are many things you can do without exposing yourself and being a lightning-rod.

Speaking of which, my sister works for the California Department of Motor Vehicles, and I got a rare opportunity to find out how much of a lightning rod I was when I appeared at the Real ID Town Hall (scroll the pointer to 1 hour 14 minutes to see my bit.)  She went to a conference of state DMVs to discuss Real ID that was held in Texas.  She told me that for the first half hour, all they could do was talk about the two transsexuals, and she was trying not to giggle because one of the two transsexuals was her brand-new oldest sister!  (My line, "Do I look MALE to you?" is an underground hit, I hear..)

Chris, your dilemma is difficult -- You're torn between a loving relationship that is growing but still needs nurturing, and the desire to do something good for many people you will never know and who will likely never show appreciation for what you would like to have done for them (and yourself.)  On the other hand, that they may not know nor appreciate your (potential) contribution may allow you the peace of mind to back-burner your activist aspirations and give your girlfriend (and yourself) that which you both need.

I can't tell you the answer.  I only hope I've illuminated the problem, and perhaps given you a better idea of the paths you have available.

I hope you may choose well, whatever your choice may be.

('Auntie') Karen
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Nero

Hey Chris.

It depends on just how 'out' you plan to be. It's possible to fight for trans rights without impinging on her stealth status if you're somewhat behind the scenes. However, if you wish to be a major activist at the forefront of the war on trans discrimination, it would be nearly impossible for her not to be outted by association with you alone.
If the latter is the case, I don't see it working out. It's her right to live stealth as she's chosen. It's your right to be out and proud.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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RebeccaFog

I agree with my hero, Nero,

   If you are going to be kind of behind the scenes, maybe you'll have less conflict over it, but if you want to be a working class hero, you do have an issue.  I guess, at this point, it will depend upon what drives you the most.
   The most difficult part of this is that you have to be true to yourself.

I really feel for you.

Love,

Rebis
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Dennis

I second what everyone's said. You have to respect your partner's choice about being stealth. If you can do activism within that framework, then fine. If you can't, then you have to make your own choices about what means more to you.

Dennis
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katia

um sorry hidrix but i can't blame her for wanting to live a [normal] life.  i wouldn't give up my stability for any cause either.  give yourselves some time & set your priorities straight.
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Jeannette

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Christo

thanx everybody.  thanx untie karen & kimberly. :) :) :) I dont feel good tonite. I'm hella sad 'cos she's mad w/me :(  I dont wanna upset her no more.  I only want her to know what I wanna do but this aint goin nowhere.  so I gotta forget bout dis for now.  she's number 1.  maybe in da future she's gonna change her mind.  I dunno. thanx 4 listenin.
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Butterfly

I'm also very sorry you're going through this Chris, and quite frankly I understand where your girl friend is coming from.  It isn't easy being transsexual and when some of us find that place in society we have longed for so long, jeopardizing it is out of the question.  You've got to hang in there and be truthful to your feelings and as Katia said, prioritize. ~smile~
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Suzy

So very sorry to hear that, Chris.  You are such a nice guy and a real hunk with a fun personality.  I have no doubt that you would be a tremendous spokesperson for the movement.  We need people like you so badly.

That being said, my goal is to one day be completely stealth, so I understand that.  Some of us are made for flag waving.  Some of are not.  Your partner obviously has her life circumstances to the point where she is comfortable and functional now.  And she obviously feels that the need to remain stealth is so great for her own personal reasons, whether it be job, family, friends, or whatever. 

These two ways of viewing trans life are like oil and water.  You will out her if you become a visible activist.  Her life may suffer greatly.  You cannot change anybody else.  Chris, we all have our mission in life.  What is yours?  How important is this to you compared to this relationship?  There is no right or wrong answer.  Be honest with yourself.  What are your goals?  What are your priorities?

This is a hug for you both from all of us: 

The best to you!

Kristi
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Shana A

Chris,

Best of luck with the situation. I hope you can find some ways to be politically active, while also respecting your partner's wishes. Perhaps working behind the scenes first might be a good approach. We sure need everyone we can get, I think you'd be a wonderful spokesperson for trans rights!

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Christo

thanx 4 listenin butterfly, kristy & zythyra :) :) :)
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Ell

Quote from: Chris on September 15, 2007, 01:58:25 AM
I wanna make her help me but she dont want to. 

what do u do when da girl u love dont wanna help u? ??? :(

well, you wouldn't want to make her do something she doesn't want to do, would you? it's hard to see sometimes how our own desires and motivations drive our expectations for other people's behavior. it's difficult for us to learn to let others choose freely. that statement sounds so messed up, that it's almost laughable, except it's true.
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