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Transgender Woman Says She Was Delayed by TSA for Anatomical 'Anomaly'

Started by stephaniec, September 21, 2015, 10:05:35 PM

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Transgender Woman Says She Was Delayed by TSA for Anatomical 'Anomaly'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/transgender-woman-says-she-was-delayed-tsa-anatomical-anomaly-n431326

NBC News/by James Eng, Jay Blackman and Erin Calabrese   09/21/2015

"A transgender woman says she was delayed by TSA workers at Orlando International Airport who thought her body parts didn't match her gender identity.

Shadi Petosky, a writer and producer, tweeted about the ordeal over her anatomical "anomaly" as it happened, saying she missed her American Airlines flight on Monday due to the incident."

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Lady Smith

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Sydney_NYC

I know the woman that runs the TSA Civil Rights and Liberties & Traveliers Engagement department. She also was at our transgender support group telling us what is "suppose" to happen when the machine picks up an anomaly and their procedures were way off. If they had ran her through as male, her breasts would have then set off the machine so that was a stupid suggestion of the TSA agent. The correct procedure would have to have a female office with the back of her hand glide along the outline of the crotch without touching genitals. The only thing the trans woman could have done differently was to ask for a supervisor as soon as they asked if she was a man or a woman, but that is a no-no.

BTW, there is a complaint form online at: https://apps.tsa.dhs.gov/TSAContact/DynaForm.aspx?FormID=CRLComp

Or a letter can be sent to:

US Darpartment of Homeland Security
TSA Civil Rights and Liberties & Traveliers Engagement
601 South 12th St
Arlington VA 20598
Sydney





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ErinS

lol I have to fly tommorrow and I haven't legally changed my name yet(and all my documents have old guy pics  :laugh: ) so it may be interesting. I have Global Entry/Precheck and refuse to go in a scanner regardless, but I also do have a carry letter from my doc.
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suzifrommd

Can you imagine how quickly various groups would be piling it on if she were detained because she was black or Latino? Unfortunately we have no trans rights groups with similar muscle. Our community has a long way to go before people are afraid enough of consequences to treat us as humans.
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DrummerGirl

Ugh!  I'm flying out of this same airport in a couple months when I have surgery with Brassard.  I really hope that this fiasco means that their agents get trained on the proper procedures to handle these kinds of things in the future.  It's weird though; I know a lot of trans women that have flown out of Orlando International in the past with no issues.  I would say that this is just one renegade idiot agent, but there must have been multiple agents at the checkpoint when this occurred, so how does this even happen without a complete systemic breakdown?



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Promethea

Sydney, do you know if there's a printout with their policy to remind them how to do their job?

They don't have those machines in Europe, do they?
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BunnyBee

I've heard it goes better if you ask for a private screening. Not blaming this woman, and we should just have the same treatment as cis people without having to do anything different, but for those traveling in the future maybe it helps? To me this is all too terrifying.
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iKate

Quote from: suzifrommd on September 22, 2015, 05:20:26 AM
Can you imagine how quickly various groups would be piling it on if she were detained because she was black or Latino? Unfortunately we have no trans rights groups with similar muscle. Our community has a long way to go before people are afraid enough of consequences to treat us as humans.

Lambda Legal I know for a fact is pulling for us. I have a friend that works there and encourages people to talk to them regarding trans issues. They initiate legal action including lawsuits or simply writing a stern letter from an attorney.
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iKate

Quote from: BunnyBee on September 22, 2015, 06:25:54 AM
I've heard it goes better if you ask for a private screening. Not blaming this woman, and we should just have the same treatment as cis people without having to do anything different, but for those traveling in the future maybe it helps? To me this is all too terrifying.

They did tell her that, but I don't see why we have to opt for a (longer) private screening. We want to be equal to cis people. That is the goal.

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BunnyBee

Quote from: iKate on September 22, 2015, 10:05:46 AM
They did tell her that, but I don't see why we have to opt for a (longer) private screening. We want to be equal to cis people. That is the goal.



Totally agree
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Promethea

Quote from: iKate on September 22, 2015, 10:05:46 AM
They did tell her that, but I don't see why we have to opt for a (longer) private screening. We want to be equal to cis people. That is the goal.

Well, we "could" be just carrying a pack of explosives or drugs or something down there and saying we're transgender as a cover. But then, a non invasive private screening (just running the back of the hand over the seam of the pants) wouldn't be enough to tell the difference. And of course a flat chested cis woman with coke filled breast forms wouldn't be detected through that system...  :-\
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Jill F

What I don't understand is why they bother to single us out.   How many times have transgender people ever committed an act of terrorism?  That's right... NEVER.

Oh, and how many terrorists have the TSA ever caught by doing this?

Can't we just do a quick cost/benefit analysis and abolish the TSA altogether?
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Rejennyrated

Quote from: Jill F on September 22, 2015, 12:46:52 PM
What I don't understand is why they bother to single us out.   How many times have transgender people ever committed an act of terrorism?  That's right... NEVER.

Oh, and how many terrorists have the TSA ever caught by doing this?

Can't we just do a quick cost/benefit analysis and abolish the TSA altogether?
That's not really the point. The point is the technology of the scanner can't tell whether the "anatomical anomaly" is a real penis and therefore that she genuinely is just trans, or a disguised lump of plastic explosives made to look like one... in which case she would have been a terrorist trying to pass herself off as trans in order to smuggle plastics explosives onto the plane. Quite a good cover I would imagine... so they are going to single anyone who appears a bit different.

Now you can of course argue that trans people are common enough that they must see them every day, and of course thats correct, but I guess unless I'm missing something, the point is this woman didnt exactly help her cause, because she was offered a pat down search, and even given the choice of which gender she wanted to be searched by, and at that point personally I think any reasonable person would have just made a choice and just let them get on with their job.

I know I'm ultra long term post op and so its possibly a little different, but about 20 years ago in the height of the troubles in northern ireland I once had to submit to a full body cavity search when i was going into a high security area. Now that WAS intimate, and believe me the fact that I was then at least ten years post-op didnt make it any less embarrasing, but I let them get on with it because it was just part of the conditions of what i was doing.

Like I say there may be something I'm missing here, and if so I apologise, but to me it seems as through everyone is making this into a big deal when it seems to me that:

a.) she almost certainly made it worse by refusing to choose, and
b.) this is just part of the horrible world we live in where people do unspeakable things to try and blow up aircraft.

So if you want to be angry with someone, blame the idiots who try to blow every damn thing up every time they dont get their way. The guys doing the searching are in the end just doing their job and trying to keep you safe.

In otherwords don't shoot the messenger. Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong by all means, but thats just the way I see it.
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Jill F

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Ben Franklin
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: Promethea on September 22, 2015, 06:21:34 AM
Sydney, do you know if there's a printout with their policy to remind them how to do their job?

They don't have those machines in Europe, do they?

They purposely do NOT list their policy on procedure to the public because they don't want to make it easier for the terrorists.

I'm not sure if they have them in Europe.
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Dena

I failed the X ray scanner as well this summer. I am post surgical but it picked up on my tummy and my back. They ask me to undo my belt and then a woman patted my tummy and then my back. The scanners knows your gender and if your body type isn't a match it will flag you. Luck for me on the way back the X ray scanner was out of order so I walked through a medal detector instead. You need to let the operator know in advanced about your differences if you want to pass the scanner without problems.
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QueenSwag

Quote from: DrummerGirl on September 22, 2015, 06:03:35 AM
Ugh!  I'm flying out of this same airport in a couple months when I have surgery with Brassard.  I really hope that this fiasco means that their agents get trained on the proper procedures to handle these kinds of things in the future.

I wouldn't doubt they get re-trained after this. Hopefully it sticks, because this type of situation is just not acceptable.
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SarahJ

It has got to have something to do with the airports.  I'm pre-op and I've gone through the scanner several times and haven't had any problems.  That is when I don't wear jeans or a blouse with bling!   :o
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Dena on September 22, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
You need to let the operator know in advanced about your differences if you want to pass the scanner without problems.

Yep. The TSA has a medical info card that you can print and fill out and show to the TSA agent when you enter the scanner. I would post a link to it but I am unsure of whether that is allowed. Just search for "tsa blue medical card" and links will come up for the card.

I had a less than memorable experience at the Burbank airport with TSA on a recent business trip because I am trans and the machine detected an "anomoly". On the next trip (flying out of LAX this time) I filled out one of those blue TSA cards and wrote TRANSGENDER on it and showed it to the agent after I had entered the scanner and before he had pushed the button. He simply said "roger that", scanned me, and when I came out the other side a female TSA agent gave me a quick pat down. I then got mysteriously flagged to have my hands swabbed for explosives - is it because I am trans? Who knows.

Even with the minor hassles of the pat down and hand swab it was a much, much better experience than before.
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