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Northampton GIC Referral - Rubber Stamped!

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Laura_Ann

Rikki,

For me it was the third appointment when I got the Okay for hormones, fingers crossed for you hon.   Oh and as has been said before Dr K is a direct person, not much for small talk, likes direct answers.

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Jacqueline

Quote from: rikki.1969 on March 20, 2017, 02:42:24 PM
I've got appointment number 3 at Daventry on Wednesday - this time with Dr. Khoosal.
The 1st was with Mel Wiseman-Lee and the 2nd with Dr,Timmins.
Stlll no hormones!

rikki,

Welcome to the site.

It's hard to be patient and wait. However, the whole process is a big waiting game. Hang in there.

I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment:

Things that you should read





Once again, welcome to Susan's. Look around, ask questions and join in.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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davina61

Well just got my first letter back from Nottingham GIC , 2 year wait for first appointment so if I get HRT from my GP will be well on my way!!!!
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rikki.1969

Well as you said  Laura_Ann I  signed the consent form for hormones today. The consent form was also supposed to be for Dr T's medical which I had 6 weeks ago! Was also given the letter for facial hair removal and my GP will be contacted re. voice therapy and hormones.  :)
Dr K was OK - he made a few jokes and I kept to the point when he asked me anything.
Unfortunately he said that they are unable to access my GP records online so has to be a letter which are taking 6 to 7 weeks. I had the foresight to take a copy of bloods with me when I saw Dr T 6 weeks ago so Dr K told those will not need to be done until just before my next appointment. Whew - So  will be (soon) up and running at long last!
Rikki
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rikki.1969

QuoteJoanna wrote:
Welcome to the site.
Thanks for the welcome and the guidelines.
Rikki x
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Holly2016

I can't believe that there haven't been any new posts since 22nd March! Here's what's been going on since then.

March
On the 25th I got blonde highlights, posted the first 'real' picture of me on Facebook and openly celebrated Trans Visibility Day.

April
Relations between me and my step daughter brake down completely and I find out from my partner that I am banned from vising her as I am considered a 'threat' to her children. Attempts by my partner to smooth things over failed and my step son jumps on the bandwagon accusing her of 'choosing HIM over your own children'. My partner publicly shows her support for me and trans people on Facebook.
22nd I go completely blonde.

May
I got my ears pierced on the 13th by a gay guy who couldn't understand a trans woman only being attracted to other women. Err, I thought that's what being a lesbian was all about, but the next major step came on the 17th. I wore just a swimsuit at the pool, instead of covering up with a T-shirt, and my first dress at work. This was also the same week some creepy guy left his phone number on my car windscreen, I was told that an old work colleague was getting turned on seeing me in a dress and on reaching my teenage years because my partner now tells me that all my dresses are too short!
On 19th I filmed my first boxing match as Holly at a working man's club. If I'm going to be outed it will be here, so I make sure I've got my silicone chicken wings in. I am not misgendered once. Success!
27th I filmed my first wedding at Letchworth Hall Hotel in Essex. I had to stand by the bride & groom where everyone could see me and I was wearing a black lace dress with high heels. I knew a couple people there who said that they couldn't believe how much I had changed.
The next day I had to go shopping in my local town to pick up a few bits ready for work the following day and I pass a mother and daughter. 'Mummy, is that girl? No, that a boy pretending to be a girl'.

June
On the 2nd I finally get rid of all my dark roots and lighten my hair a little more and I update my profile picture on Facebook and on this forum. The following day I was cutting the grass at home when another mother and daughter pass me. The daughter stares at me but says nothing. A little further down the road I hear the mother telling her that 'it was a man'.

So, it seems that just when you thing you're making progress, reality comes along and kicks you in the face.

Despite my best efforts I am not recognised as female when I'm on the phone. It always goes the same way. If I'm making a business call to someone who knows my name, but doesn't know me, I always get a long pause followed by a load of security questions to check my identity. The other calls I make or receive I'm always get called 'Sir' and the conversation is awkward. I've tried the Eva app, training courses by Deep Stealth and whatever I could find on YouTube but I haven't done very well, so on Dr Khoosal's recommendation to my GP, I got a referral to start speech therapy on 21st June. My first appointment was simply an opportunity for the department manager and therapist to get to know me and find out about my history and experiences. Part of the session was also went through things that could affect your voice, such as smoking, excessive alcohol, caffeine, breathing and gastric problems. Unfortunately I fall into the last two categories as I have breathing problems and get acid reflux. We then moved on to getting a baseline to judge my progress against. I was reluctant to do this because I would have to use my old voice and told them that I didn't really want to lower my pitch. 'Pitch isn't everything' I was told and I gave in. The two of them looked quite astonished when I finished speaking and going that low after such a long time started me coughing.
My first 'real' appointment starts on 5th July.

July 14th is my 3rd GIC appointment, and will be my first with Dr Tickle!

Anyone else got any updates that they would like to share?

Holly x
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Laura_Ann

Not much of note here Holly,

Got my next appointment on 28th July with Dr Tickle, all I can think of is the Mister Men cartoon now  :laugh:

Been enjoying my patches and blocker injections, I've got the latter next week.
I've been seeing a speech therapist for a while now and I am struggling to get my pitch to change, seem to loose my voice or go horse  :embarrassed:

Only semi plus side is I am back at work at last, but not sure for how long, think I need a new job FAST  :(
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davina61

My GP referred me to Northhamton (long wait at Nottingham) and we filled in there forms and sent them off but not had a reply yet,2 1/2 months now so might have to rattle there cage. Thinking of drawing out some pension so I can get some HRT , still planning on end of October to come out, well to start RLE as not been hiding any thing so far.
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Lisa55


Thanks for the bump Holly and the updates.  I have drifted away from Susans a little recently but have been stalking following you all on FB.

Like Laura-Ann there is a lot of calender watching going on for me.  Likewise I started Speech therapy and have been going since Jan.  I seem to be doing great in my sessions and getting things right but struggling to use it in everyday life especially around people I am familiar with, but hopefully I'll get there with a bit more practice and confidence.

As far as Northampton is concerned, not sure what's happening with them,  Glad to hear there are still there lol.  I had my brief appointment in Jan and did my bloods a few months later to send in, only to get an appointment booked for the following week to discuss them.  Well not being keen on another seven hour round trip to be only be told they were OK I called up and we cancelled the appointment they had fitted in and told me they would write if anything needed to change.  Well that was three months ago and the last I have heard from them.  Hopefully I will hear something more soon but they did say after the third appointment they scale back the appointments as things are just ticking along,  Hopefully that's true and I will hear more at some stage.

Personal life has been up and down and I can sympathise with you Holly in interactions with people.  I had a big ding dong with Natwest over my name change, well not so much the name but the title, which ended up in a couple of months of complaints process while they sent me incorrectly titled post and all sorts of combinations of wrong titles and initials on paying in books etc.   In the end it was sorted and they sent me a hamper and £100 compensations.  Nice but didn't really reflect the emotional distress they caused which was pretty bad at one point so the whole thing left a sour taste and I have not bothered tackling any name changes since, but I'll get to them when they become important enough to me to be up to facing doing some more.

But on a more positive note,  I pre-empted TDOV by a day or so and came out to the last groups of friends I intend to take with me by making a post on my old Facebook account and inviting them to friend my new one.  Well that was a roller coaster, initially a few came over then I caved and sent some requests out followed by some uncertainty and a few nudges.  Most came over, some are a little unsure and there are still some outstanding requests with people I haven't seen in a while, a little disappointed with those but unsure what the situation is but hope things may improve with them at some stage in the future.

That was more or less all to my car club friends, and a week or so before our first big event  (I still wont post on here what the car is though as its pretty identifiable).  Well I had pretty much resigned myself to being the person they knew for that event, but enough of them encouraged me (and challenged) on chat, that I went to the event as Lisa and it all went really well.

We were also invited to a neighbours big birthday party which was a bit of a question mark if we would go or not as it would be the fist time out in front of some of the neighbours, including some that have been a bit lukewarm to the whole idea.  But in the end I put my best frock on and deep breath and held my head high.  Again everything went well except for when everyone at our table decided to have a go on the dance floor.  Well that was too big of a challenge for me to be out there the centre of attention in the room so i stayed put and ended up feeling just as self conscious sitting there on my own feeling like the centre of attention. So that was a bit of a low moment with me hating my cowardice, but on the plus side by the end of the night and as the room thinned out a bit after midnight, I took the plunge and when they all got up for another turn on the floor I got up too and broke about a 20+ year absence from the dance floor.  Well I don't think I exactly set it alight, but nobody else seemed to want to burn it down either.

Physically things are changing slowly, but surely, Where i used to hide behind my hair and a pony tail was a sure way to uncover him in the mirror, I'm starting to see her more that way now and getting more comfortable that she shines through with hair tied back rather than him now.

Anyway look at me rambling with not much going on!
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davina61

Ramble away girl, helps to get it out and share. Car club yes as I do hot rods and dragracing and so far no bother. I think its the modifying set of mind makes it ok??????
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Megan.

Although I'm a CX girl,  I hope you'll be happy to have me on this thread [emoji5].
I hope Holly doesn't mind me saying it was great to meet up at the event I ran at work last month *waves*.
I'm almost 6 weeks into my HRT,  and more than three months into RLE. The HRT has certainly had some effects already,  but all positive to me.
It's all going well (rather boringly). My two young children are both still trying to adapt to my change,  but work and life in general is good.
My next GIC appointment is in November,  in the meantime,  following a pause,  I'm resuming my hair removal courtesy of the NHS funding finally coming through.
Always happy answer any questions, I've done massive weight loss,  hair transplants,  hair removal,  abdominoplasty and more...
Megan X

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Laurie

Quote from: meganjames2 on August 11, 2017, 01:06:36 PM

I'm almost 6 weeks into my HRT,  and more than three months into RLE. The HRT has certainly had some effects already,  but all positive to me.
It's all going well (rather boringly).

  Hi Megan,

    I just want to jump in here to say I love the difference I see in your new avatar and that I am happy things are moving along albeit a bit slowly. It is good to hear things are going well for you.

Hugs,
   Laurie
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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Megan.

Tnx Laurie. It's been almost three years since I first contacted a good therapist and started tumbling down the rabbit hole. It took so long for me to figure out who and what I am,  I'm probably  a rare case that the legendarily slow NHS process worked in my favour.

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Holly2016

It was great to finally meet you Megan, albeit briefly. One of your colleagues seemed to be rather taken with me and kept me talking for over 45 minutes! I can also see some very positive differences in your picture even since we last met. You are looking great!

My trip to the GIC to see Dr Tickle on 14th July was a very downbeat affair. Firstly the appointments were running 2 hours late and nobody at reception had thought that it would be a good idea to let everyone know until they had arrived. I was told that I could go home and come back later. I think that my expression told them exactly what they could do with that idea, so I sat in the cafe for an hour catching up with my email and Facebook. After 2 hours I went back to reception and they still weren't ready, but I did have a nice conversation with Loretta, who was also waiting for her appointment. Finally it was my turn.

He had a student with him called Rebecca and I suppose that she was just expecting the same old story that she had heard all day, that everything was going well and these are my future plans. WRONG. Things are NOT going well. Dr Tickle confirmed that 2 years is usually when most of the major facial changes will have taken place for someone of my age. I have been on hormones for 18 months and what I'm seeing is almost no change in my face. He kept telling me that that what people see is 'subjective' but struggled to actually justify his comments because, being from an analytical engineering background, I deal with provable facts and reproducible results. I could simply dismiss his comments from my negative real-world experiences and photograhic evidence that I had taken. He then tried changing tactics and went on about how the hormones were really 'changing the operating system'. Fine, but hardware hasn't changed and the growing difference is now causing major incompatibility problems and I am no longer able 'patch' my operating system. Upgrades are not possible due to failing hardware, failed procedures and finance. The only option available is a graceful shutdown through an exit plan. He then asked me if I had a choice between getting my face done and 'downstairs' surgery which I would pick. I told him my face, because no one can see your 'downstairs' but everyone sees your face; and the NHS will not fund facial surgery and I can hide the 'downstairs' until I could get it sorted out. Unfortunately I have extremely strong facial dysmorphia, that's just how my operating system is.

Look, I didn't start this stupid conversation about operating systems, but for anyone reading the last paragraph, here is the translation:

Things are not going well because my experiences up to last week have proved that. Photographic evidence also backs this up. I want to change but my biology will not let me. The graceful shutdown we'll get to later.

I have had several bad experiences with misgendering that have send my mind reeling. Each time something goes wrong I think that things will get better a little later when my face has changed more, but after 18 months it hasn't. I have done my own photoshop comparisons to prove that. My physical health has started to deteriorate as I can't exercise due to a knee problem and it's only a matter of time before my weight starts going up again. Electrolysis has failed completely and my debts are spiralling. My take home pay has only increased by £400 since 2001 so there is no possibility of ever being able to afford facial surgery. I have exhausted all of my options and this realisation has resulted in a rapid deterioration of my mental health.

The GIC notes were posted to me after about 2 weeks with a recommendation to my Doctor that I am referred to a psychologist asap and that I will be getting another GIC appointment in about 3 months.

The exit plan is a document that I started putting together when I first began transitioning in case everything goes horribly wrong. It's basically a list of things that need to be completed to protect my partner in the event that I am no longer around. If, after I had completed my 2.5 year transition plan, that I decide my transition has failed, the exit plan will start, taking around 6 months to complete. The exit plan is NOT a de-transition document.

I have been signed off work by my Doctor for the next 2 weeks. I am so very tired of everything.
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Devlyn

Honey, I hope you're not talking about suicide. Please forgive me if I leapt to the wrong conclusion.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Megan.

Holly,  I'm sorry you're in a low place [emoji853], you seemed to have a real spark when we met.
We're always our toughest judge,  and I didn't know you before,  but for what it's worth,  I think you look great,  and I was extremely jellous of you when we met.
I've been in that 'exit plan' place before, so I'm not going to get preachy,  but I do hope some professional support will help you improve your outlook.
I've struggled with my weight and health most of my life, after growing up using food as my escape from unhappiness.
I don't know your exact situation,  but could swimming be a possible low-impact exercise you could look at?
I've recently started to pressure the relevant channels at my employer to improve the health coverage for Trans* employees,  without this I'm starting to look at second jobs to help cover future costs.
Please PM me if you want to talk,  and focus on keeping yourself well.  X

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Jacqueline

Holly,

I am not in a place to give advice. I, like meganjames, am on a pretty slow transition myself. I think we all reach these spots. I am sorry how hard it all is. I have to admit, when I saw your avatar, I thought, wow she's lucky. She has a cis shaped face.

I will argue about the hardware analogy. Neurons paths can be re-mapped. Bodies are always changing. However, by all means, if you can afford the surgery do it. Especially since your face is a trigger. Me too but I can live with it. As long as I keep getting those little hairs zapped off, I will make it through that part.

I hope things start to look up for you. Bad and good things seem to come in groups. Like they don't want to be separated. Persevere, and look at low impact exercises. You have come this far but it's not been that long. Take a breath, curse at me(if it helps), talk to some friends in person; cry, get some sleep then re commit and shift focus. Deadlines are there to break. Get yourself to a small step that is scheduled earlier.

I have to stop because if I gave myself that advice as a stranger, I would probably be angry. However, as part of my journey. If I wrote it down and it doesn't break rules I have promised myself to stop over editing. I think too much and back track. Don't be like me.

Good luck. I hope is smooths out.

Sincerely,
Jacqueline
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Holly2016

Devlyn, everything that I have ever done in my life has always gone wrong and for once, just once, I hoped that I would be allowed to become me. I will never achieve anything, I will never change anything, I will never be part of history, just a forgotten nobody, but a nobody that was able to find themselves and that is all that matters. But I can't even have that so what's the point? Over the years I have come to realise that life, or reality, has a consciousness. Some call it fate, others destiny and others Gods, but however you think about it, there is a consciousness watching, overseeing, and controlling our actions by 'circumstance'. I have fought against 'destiny' for over 40 years trying to make my life better and it ALWAYS goes wrong. I am so tired that I just can't fight any more. I no longer see death as the end, just a transition in its own right to re-birth. I'm sure that 'destiny' will carry on kicking me me as long as it can until the time is right when I finally take control.
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Megan.

You've achieved alot,  you've become Holly. Being out and working towards improving the support and experience for those who may follow you is also a really important and valuable contribution, don't underestimate the positive difference you have made,  and can continue to make.
Sometimes we forget the journey we've already taken to get to where we are. The commitment,  bravery,  focus,  physical and emotional effort is huge; you've achieved something many only ever dream of,  don't sell yourself short. X

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Lisa55

Hi Holly

Please stay with us and don't start that exit plan.  You have come a long way and we are all here to support each other.  Its not true that you are not making an impact on the world,  you are having an impact on us and countless others who have read this thread but not posted.

2 years is complete bull->-bleeped-<- like a lot of what the GIC has to say.  For a start it doesn't matter if your trans or CIS your face and looks change your whole life and I have looked at enough trans timelines to know 2 years is only the start.  For some its a dramatic start but for us its more subtle.  But believe me you have changed.  You also say you have been on HRT for 18 months, but you have not been stable on that HRT for 18 months, your not long into your prostap so T is only really just getting under control and all the time those little T factories are still there there is a fight in our operating systems going on.  We are running virtual femme at the moment on hardware designed to run only the host OS, once we get the OS on the bare metal it runs a lot better.  Performance is below par until then.

There are countless stories of post op women who say their transition really started after surgery, once those T factories were gone and they could settle into themselves,  That once they were gone there were other more dramatic changes in how the body shapes itself and how they feel about it. 

And back to the 2 year thing,  We are about 13yr old girls now.  Yeah between 13 and 15 there are a lot of changes to a cis girl,  we wont see those changes to the same degree.  But there are also massive differences between a 15yr old and 18 yr old, even bigger ones to 25.  A standard puberty lasts a decade or so, so giving up after 18 months to 2 years is too early.

You are not alone in how you feel either,  I have had some of my darkest times since starting transition,  not in the same way as before which was from a place of fear and expectation of failure and loss, but more from a place of hopelessness.  The thing that kept me going before was something that was once said by a trans woman, which was in essence, may as well try transitioning as if it doesn't work i can kill myself afterwards.  That was one of the things that kept me from the pill cabinet.   But now I have started transitioning it has no meaning to me.  If I get in a dark place now what is to stop me, after all if I have tried this being a woman thing and failed, and I have had those thoughts,  I have them every day, I have them most when I get my bank account locked because they thought i sounded male.  When I think how much I have spent on speech therapy and that still happens.  When I shy away from changing my name or opening an account at another bank for fear of it happening there too.  When I look at my passport and realise to travel to the USA I have no hope of making it all the way as Lisa so will have to be him for the journey.  When i sit in front of the mirror and cry because it doesn't take cis women 30 minutes of markup to go to the supermarket or even set foot out the front door. All these things make me feel fake and it shouldn't have to be this hard to be me.  But I have to believe, even against all the evidence that things will get better,  even though they show little to no signs to me so far.

I had a plan for my transition that was supposed to see me at a certain place at the end of last year, that was nearly 9 months ago and I see no chance of meeting that goal any time soon,  I just got to make new goals as I learn what I can achieve, I will get to that goal one day. My income and survival depends on it, just not today or last year even.

You are not alone, we can do this together and we have barely started.

XX Lisa
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