Susan's Place Logo

News:

Visit our Discord server  and Wiki

Main Menu

Gender and Trauma

Started by November Fox, November 08, 2015, 08:44:12 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

November Fox

Hey guys :)

I have noticed that there are more people on this forum who have to deal with processing trauma and gender, side by side. I would love to hear from you.

I´m currently trying to deal with cptsd and gender dysphoria, I´m not seeing a gender therapist yet, but I am with a regular therapist who is rather confused as to how exactly to deal with my issues, since they overlap.

I am curious to know about your experiences with trauma and gender, how they overlap, and how you deal with processing both of them.

November Fox
  •  

Oliviah

I am currently struggling with processing trauma and dealing with dysphoria and transition.  I wish I had some answer.  I am hopeful though a new therapy group for just this issue is starting in Houston and I am admitted, but not enough members to start yet. 

Mostly I try to re frame the totality of of each trauma into a positive for my future.  I try to experience the emotion to sort of expel it.  I sometimes just have to let myself cry. 
  •  

November Fox

That´s great about the therapy group! I hope it can start soon. I´d think that it would be extremely helpful to have a group address those two subjects. I´ve plenty of support for the two of them separately, but not on how to deal with them combined.

Haha I try not to experience the emotion, most of the time  :P
it´s completely counterproductive though.
  •  

LizK

I have dealt with the trauma of child abuse all through my teens . The abuse itself happened over about a year with a complete stranger. For many years I felt that my gender issues were due to the child abuse so therefore were not real and fabricated by the abuse. This is total crap...It wasn't until I began to look at the abuse in detail with the counsellor that I got to move forward. What I then discovered is that my convenient excuse was just that...an excuse...it did not change the way I felt. In reality the child abuse did not have that much of an impact on the gender stuff as that had always been there and of course once the child abuse stuff was dealt with it left the gender issued isolated. This was around the age of 32-33 but the idea that I could be trans was impossible...wasn't it?

Dealing with these issues when dealing with the gender stuff just seems to confuse the situation. For me it took a long time to sort the various issues out and get some clarity, in fact, that only happened in the last few months. Prior to this I had plenty of confusion but much of which left me when I started to become brutally honest with myself.

I now know what I want, what I need and how to go about getting it.

Sarah T
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
  •  

Oliviah

Quote from: November Fox on November 08, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
That´s great about the therapy group! I hope it can start soon. I´d think that it would be extremely helpful to have a group address those two subjects. I´ve plenty of support for the two of them separately, but not on how to deal with them combined.

Haha I try not to experience the emotion, most of the time  :P
it´s completely counterproductive though.

Yeah I hope it starts soon too.

You have to let yourself experience the emotion.  It has to leave to heal.  The more I cry the better I feel.
  •  

LexPromise

I am struggling. I have not been able to speak about the most recent sexual assault in therapy. Or my struggles with gender dysphoria. Enough to where my therapist understands where I am coming from. I went through child sexual abuse and sexual abuse as an adult. Right now it seems bigger than me on certain levels, but it is becoming better.
  •  

LizK

Abuse as a child is tough, as an adult I would imagine it brings a whole new level of hurt. My child abuse impacted my life in many, many ways through my early adult life and right up until I sort out proper counselling was I able to move on. This took nearly two years and by the end of the therapy I could talk about the abuse without it freezing me up and or making me panic.

You have no responsibility in your child abuse at all....none...nada...nothing...zilch...the adult has the power. That inevitable point where the grooming stops and the physical abuse starts...that is none of your stuff that belongs to the abuser. IMHO It is really all about power for these creeps, the control.

I implore you to be brave and bring up the sexual abuse, its going to hurt like "a son of b&^ch" but you will be happier in the long run and able to deal better with your Dysphoria. I thought dealing with one issue would take the other away, but it never was going too, because the two are not related.

If you wish to chat more then let me know

Sarah T
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
  •  

Kylo

I've experienced some sexual harassment and what the law would technically consider a sexual assault during my first full time job when I was 19. And several times after too, in different jobs and different stages of life. At no point in my life have I accentuated or played up my femaleness, in fact I downplayed it always, yet I've often attracted creepers for no apparent reason and now I can spot their tactics a mile off.

The sexual assault when I was 19 did traumatize me somewhat at the time. I refused to go get another job for some time and stayed in my room playing video games to forget about it. I was just a kid after all. I no longer feel traumatized or affected years later, although I do feel a disgust with anybody approaching me to flirt, especially men. I don't tolerate it. I also didn't tolerate the assault - I threatened the attacker with a knife I kept in my back pocket for work (threatened, didn't attack because he backed off after he saw that knife... and boy was he freaked, lol). I had no idea what he was planning to do after all and there was nobody else around to step in and stop him. I lost my job the next day for defending myself, and my own family did not think it was worth calling the police over. I learned that nobody can be relied upon to help me but me, so I'm glad I stood up for myself.

I distanced myself from my birth gender a lot. If anyone compliments me for anything gender-based I don't "hear" it. I just ignore it. I hate people flirting with me and will either ignore it, deflect it or walk away. I'm ok approaching people to flirt myself but I simply don't enjoy anyone doing it to me. I rarely flirt with anybody else anyway. I find it an uncomfortable thing to do or receive most of the time. Whether that was the incident when I was 19 or being trans or a combo of both I don't know but it's an issue.

I don't think about it much anymore - transition to a male will be quite a relief from the attentions of most men. I think being trans crossed wires about how I react to these things - I tend to react with hostility if someone breached my personal space, just as any cis male might with another guy, and the hostility confuses and upsets men when it comes from what they see as a woman, making them label me as "crazy." Unfortunate as it is, many women learn to deflect male attention in a non-hostile way either because that is what gets less hostile responses from men or because they are intimidated by men (or both), but I've never been able to condition myself to react in any kind of typically 'female' way to male sexual attention. The best I can do is to ignore it, which comes off rude, the worst to get angry, which makes me seem like a utter psycho to them. It's no surprise I'm not super social. I just can't be bothered dealing with that kind of thing on a regular basis. I don't consider myself good looking or anything but I've never been short of people trying their luck.

I guess I dealt with it by accepting that this was just another type of obstacle I had to navigate around or avoid. Having a partner for most of my adult life has made it easier in one sense because I can avoid those situations by pointing out "my partner is right over there". Although obviously not in another because of gender dysphoria - if I were single the issue would barely be acknowledged but when you're not it has to be ignored or masked in some way to enable you to function in a sexual relationship. That's a whole other can of worms that means I can't really enjoy a sexual relationship much in the way my partner can. I view the sex as more of an obligation to keeping a partner happy than something I care about. Sad but true. It's not like they don't offer to be just as obligated back, it's just that I don't want sex as a female or with female parts. Like, I'd rather not have any sex than do it as a female. Which as you can guess makes relationships kind of counter productive in some ways.

So I guess being the wrong gender has led to incidents that traumatized me, but I've just become adept at burying and ignoring things. I will say though that my anger on the matter of creepos has been cumulative and hasn't abated - if anything I get madder than ever if someone tries to come in and say or do something inappropriate in a clearly inappropriate situation they should know better about.

The most recent problem was with my landlord who is one of those types who likes passing comments or compliments like he thinks women need or desperately want to hear that kind of stuff. Had an incident with him recently where he was fixing my front door lock and since it was the fourth time he'd mentioned asking for a coffee when he'd been around the building fixing things for other tenants, I offered him one hoping he'd STFU and go away afterwards. He didn't though, he came in and while I was trying to have a normal conversation to keep the situation normal he started making utterly inappropriate comments. He knew I was alone in the apartment that day and that's why he pushed for that coffee. Something I've seen more than once from creepers. They know what they are doing isn't right, so they look for situations where they can get you alone.

Anyways, long story short I no longer have any patience for that crap so I called his bluff, asked him when we'd be going for the "special ride" he offered me around his properties, and then suddenly his mood changed... he started to get nervous, left in a hurry with a smile on his face an apparently ran right home to tell his wife I was "acting weird". Another sign - creepos immediately try to cover their asses with some authority figure, in this case The Wife, when I was 19 it was The Boss.... but in these situations it was the creepos who instigated everything. Out of sheer annoyance and impatience, I rang the wife, invited her round and told her to put a leash on him. I don't know, I find it harder and harder to be "nice" about these situations any more. I shouldn't have to deal with them at all.

I should mention I'm not talking about normal flirting in situations where it might naturally happen. I'm talking about people who can't control their impulses, people who take things way past normal and into rapey territory or just plain lechdom.

Maybe I haven't dealt with it yet. I don't know. I just try to avoid these situations as much as possible, even though they still manage to seek me out.




"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
  •  

captains

I do suspect there's some overlap for me in the gender/trauma department. I dunno. It's probably a little overinflated to call my stuff "trauma" but whatever.

I remember my gender stuff consciously emerging when I was around sixteen, as I struggled to distinguish between "things I found sexy in my first boyfriend" and "things I really wanted for myself." I say "I remember" because I might be back-editing a little bit to make me feel better. Honestly, I'm a little afraid that my gender issues started after a ... regrettable sexual experience at the same age, during which I was forced to lie naked and still while pointing out each feature of my female body/genitals. I was kinda checked at the time, and sometimes I think I just never "checked back in." There've been a few yikes sexual incidents after that which probably didn't help. Bad relationship with the downstairs stuff from every angle, haha.

The other thing that kind of makes me nervous is related to my childhood. I grew up in an extremely loving home, but nonetheless the kind of environment that tends to spit out one of two types of kid: the very compliant or the very rebellious. I'm definitely the former, and as a result, I have a lot of trouble with self-advocacy. When it comes to fight or flight, I'll pick flight every time. Love me some running away, lmao. I do worry, sometimes, that my transition is just a socially responsible way to Gone Girl myself.

I don't know, though. No suggestions for you, I'm sorry. It's a tough lot to balance.
- cameron
  •