Is God A Myth?

[Brianna]

In my opinion if God exists, he/she is a sadist for making transsexuals. Can you imagine the thousands of yeas of us that went crazy or commited suicide because HRT didn't exist? Scary.

[beth]

                              We exist because we are special. We have always been accepted and even revered through history.  It has only been the past few hundred years that we have been shunned and persecuted.



beth

[RebeccaFog]

Shunned and persecuted for bearing the very traights for which the world is most in need.

[Christopher]

God is NOT a myth. People can worship many "Gods" but that does not diminish the fact that there is only One Almighty God, Creator of the heavens and the earth. He is a Spiritual being and the Father of the human race. He loves His creation. He is love.

[Brianna]

Is that the reason so much that is evil is done in his name? Because God is love?

[Luc]

The reason, I think, that so much evil is done in god's name is that people are, for lack of a better term, STUPID.

Rafe

[Tiffany2]

  I hope I'm not out of line here but God is real and he creates all things for his glory.
  Lazarus was ill and died so that our Lord could be glorified by raising him from the dead. Had the Lord healed him when Mary and Martha first sent for him the greater glory of raising him from the dead would not have happened in that time and season.
  Had there not been evil before the children of Israel they would not have been put to the test to show their love of and obedience to the Lord.
  In like manner; some of us have prayed to be changed and healed to no avail. It has manifested the hardened hearts of others when they see us as well as our unfeigned love of the Lord being what many hate and despise. In a sense the downer side of the marital vows. Worse, sickness, etc...
  Being both male and female some of may actually be blessed more than we think. I may be wrong but I would rather be as the filth of the world and offscouring of all things and have eternal life in Jesus than to have the supposed good life now and end up going to hell because I have never been tempted, frustrated, depressed, or holier-than-thou and look down my nose at others like the pharisee in the parable about the publican and the pharisee.
  I guess I'd rather be a saved transgender than a lost straight person.
  May God bless you.
  Tiffany

[sheila18]

Hi   
Our concept of god or our faith on God  or lack thereof is not the problem, BIGOTRY  IS THE PROBLEM. that is the source of man's misery not God's existance or disaperance  with proof and solemn oath or without is our insane conclusions.

  A dirt cheap defenition of bigotry is :
ANY COMPTEMPT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEAS OR DEEDS IS THE FRUIT OF BIGOTRY,  there is no room for empathy in bigotry.

If someone else's ideas annoys you or p's you off ...where did this come from?  a preconceived/ pre educated belief.

How can anyone expect to be understood as a ->-bleeped-<- if that person is intransigent about someone's belief's 

consider for a momment: if God is Omni present it means that he is Everywhere   

But not in the chair? ok  ...not in the tree? ok  ...not in the car?   ..ok not in the earth? ok   ...not in the air nor space because god is no gas?  ok ...pretty soon god' is nowhere    what happened to our premise. Crazy head games
  How about...I don't know ...simple and true. 
sheial18

[Tiffany2]

  I may be wrong but I feel that the reason so much evil is done in the name of God is because many start attending church or getting a little spiritual and forget where they came from or that they need mercy like those they ridicule.
  Many churches are training grounds of heresy where people forget the law of Moses made all guilty and Christ fulfilled it to give all who would come to him eternal life.
  It's easy to say transgenders are going to hell when you sit on a pew never having our thoughts, emotions or desires. Let them have them and see how they do. I'm sure they would look more into these things than just condemn themselves.
  Bigotry is a problem that happens both in and out of church. The sad part is that you would think that Christians would understand grace and be a little lest apt to be so bigoted. The word of God does tell us to consider ourselves in all things and not to judge.
  Is God a myth? No. He is real and it is a shame many use his word to teach hatred and judgemental ideas rather than to use it to give others a hope of something better than this life.
  Our Lord always showed compassion on people that came to him for any form of healing or guidance. He didn't just condemn them.
  Tiffany

[Christopher]

Is that the reason so much that is evil is done in his name? Because God is love?

I think the ones that do evil don't know God. They don't know love. The deed done in the so called "name of God" are the God's these "evil" people have made for themselves, to justify their evil deeds.
And as to Sheial18's comment about God being Omnipotent=Everywhere I believe you are right. I don't believe that God is nowhere.....I believe that
GOD IS NOW HERE.

[Tiffany2]

  Even our Lord said that many would come in his name and not be him. There are many that do profess to be Christians and are truly evil. The word of God can be twisted and people manipulated by man when his heart is not right.
  That's one reason I like smaller churches where the preacher works for a living and doesn't worry about getting a lot of people in. He knows each person in his flock and knows what they need to feed them.
  I may be wrong but I think too many are worried about building the church size when they should be concerned with building the spiritual house of each saint that sits on the pews. Not teaching what they want out of fear of losing a tithe. That only leads to a flock that thinks they are better than others and can judge them.
  Build their spiritual house and tell them they need the grace of God like the GLBT community and that they're no better. But that would drive them out and the preacher would have to get a job and support the church himself. And he can't have that; after all, he's "called of God."
  I too believe God is here. He is where his people are. I think He may have quit attending many church services a long time ago though.
  May God bless you.
  Tiffany
Posted on: September 21, 2006, 01:19:06 PM  I hope that I do not appear rude, harsh or arogant. That is not my intention.
  I have noticed over the years a great evil in the church.
  The word of God says the Lord delights in a just weight and an equal balance. It seems as though the churches today do not have that equal balance anymore.
  On one end of the balance of faith/works and grace/obedience you see churches that have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness. They traipse straight out of church to the bar and live as they wish with no concern of what our Lord may think. They just kind of justify evil with that I'm ok, you're ok attitude that makes everybody precious in the eyes of God.
  On the other end there are the works oriented ones that make the way so strict nobody can make it. They are the ones that have forgotten that they too need grace and that they have no room to judge others.
  Since the TV preachers came about in the late 70's and early 80's many of the small churches have closed and many preachers have started following the patterns and teachings of the TV preachers to keep flocks.
  Think about this. If you are a child of God and minister on the internet just sharing the word of God to the best of your ability your ministry costs whatever your cable bill is. Chances are you can pay for it with your job and household expenses. You can pray for those who ask for prayer and share a word.
  Chances are your intentions are admirable and God is actually with you.
  Why do these masters of heresy need millions of dollars to do what you do?
  Probably because as a citizen that goes about your day to day life you don't want a private jet like they lust after. You may not want the pomp and glory of having people watch you on TV. Your old beater car may be good enough to get you to work. Which , by the way, is a part of "going into all the world to preach the gospel" that they should try.
  Is God a myth? I guess the unbelieving world thinks so. But you have to expect that. The shame is when Christians and the kings of these supercenters of heresy make such a mockery of the word of God that both believer and unbeliever alike starts to ask this question.
  May God bless you.
  Tiffany

[sheila18]

excellent!    i know that you believe that god is everywhere
the question is for those who make the same claim:   
IF God is everywhere "a fortiori" (with greater reason, an old roman principle of law,  if you can bench press 300 lbs "a fortiore" you can lift 25 lbs)

so if God can do the imposible of being everywhere, then a fortiore he can be IN you and also IN sinners, follow me,     go ahead is ok to choke, i know it can be a lot to chew.   

that is the old & secret revelation.not so secret bUT EASY TO RECEIVE AS A GIFT OF GRACE. 

so if god is everywhere,  why argue, there is nothing left to do but love as someone  so correctly posted, even sinners ...i guess there is nothing to save then ....   sorry  ...just consider it 

  ...if god is everywhere and he came to save us then everything is already saved, what!?  what are we to save,  god?   

  now if this takes away our job ...we can get a better job by celebrating.

this views are not just my own though they have been revealed to and thousands of others they are doctrine and well know and established.
  but intellect cannot wrap its arms around it ...
love no matter what, sheila

[Brianna]

Dear Tiffany,

Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster a myth? I guess the unbelieving world thinks so. But you have to expect that. The shame is when Christians make such a mockery of the word of the Flying Spaghetti Monster that both believer and unbeliever alike starts to ask this question.

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you, in return.
Brianna

PS- I also think the Flying Spaghetti Monster delights when we spread his teachings on the Internet. You can be touched by his noodly apendage at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

[sheila18]

tiffany:
no you are not appearing rude to me, i believe that you believe. And i respect that and admire your courage of conviction, and you are always welcome to have a dialogue.

I used to study the Bible seriously 3 hrs a day at least.  One day I clearly saw that there was a difference between what JC gave an example of how to live (wich is found in the 4 gospls) and the hatred practiced by the Bible belivers around me, I remember at that point Jesus rejecting the law as a way of life for HIM,   wow he rejected the Bible.  The more I studied Jesus words the more I discovered how unimpressed he was with the Law(old testament)
well 1200 years later some king thousands of miles away ruler of a nation of mostly ignorant people decided to equate the commentaries of Jesus words with the Tora and made this Spagetti  soup of what Jesus rejected mixed with Jesus words ( Before you get upset, please Read his words 4 Gospels not the notes in your Bible class but JC's actual words,ok) that became the Bible.
   My son has been influenced by his mother who is christian and is constantly angry and fumming about sinners and alll that stuff i used to fume about because i learned it in Bible study class Not the Bible but the preachers of it.

So i ask my son:
-Are you a Christian
-Yes dad i am
- are you a follower of Christ or the Bible Chose one
- they are the same
-ok, what do you believe is more important , the words of christ or the comments of his words?

of course silence, aculturization is the most effective way to dominate people

  Tiffany My point is that you have a right to express your self her and anywhere and be respected, I do not take offense by what you say, is a dialogue  the corollary applies, that you be patient and open  to other's views as others should be with you...do unto others  as.... blessed are the meek ...at al
you are always welcomed here, thank you for listening to by babble.

sheila18

[Sarah Louise]

   Is God a myth? No. He is real and it is a shame many use his word to teach hatred and judgemental ideas rather than to use it to give others a hope of something better than this life.
 

Whoops, I saved it without putting in my comment.  Blond moment.

I agree with you in this statement Tiffany2

Sarah L.

[Tiffany2]

Brianna: I'm sorry but I don't know a lot about the flying spaghetti monster. I'l have to read up on this. But you have my condolences if the unbelievers have angered you by bringing forth doubts about it's existance.

Sheila18: I do try to be patient and open to other people's views. I hope that my post didn't appear contrary to that. If so; I am sorry. I do get tired of Christians using scripture to judge others and condemn them. That was the basic point of what I tried to say. When the Lord fulfilled the law it gave him the right to judge and no man.

Sarah Louise: Thank you.

[Ellissa Ray]

Dear Tiffany,

Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster a myth? I guess the unbelieving world thinks so. But you have to expect that. The shame is when Christians make such a mockery of the word of the Flying Spaghetti Monster that both believer and unbeliever alike starts to ask this question.

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you, in return.
Brianna

PS- I also think the Flying Spaghetti Monster delights when we spread his teachings on the Internet. You can be touched by his noodly apendage at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

RAmen

[Joseph]

   I guess I'd rather be a saved transgender than a lost straight person.

Tiffany, that is a great point.  In retrospect I can see how God has used the pain & struggles associated with being trans to ultimately grow/strengthen my character and faith.  His love and glory have been made more real to me through all of this.  I asked questions and found answers that I didn't expect.  In finding I had nothing I cared to live for here on earth, I turned to God with nothing left, and in doing so, rediscovered the Person who fulfills like nothing else.  There is a song by Chris Tomlin called "Enough" that goes, "All of you / is more than enough for all of me / for every thirst and every need / you satisfy me with your love / and all I have in you / is more than enough.  More than all I want / more than all I need / you are more than enough for me / More than all I know / more than all I can see / you are more than enough for me."  I look forward to heaven, where we will no longer struggle with trans issues, but more than that, the glory of God will be such an indescribable treasure that we will be SO thankful for everything that got us to that point - including the hard times, which will seem negligible in comparison.

Thanks for your posts.
Joseph

[Brianna]

Tiffany2 and Joseph,

First of all, I respect your right to hold these views. I respect that you find comfort in this, and I would in no way try to dissuade you from these beliefs.

But - I have to tell you. I am starring at what you have said trying to comprehend how you could have this perspective. I don't understand how you can find meaning in the ideology of the people that hate us and want to oppress us.

It's easy for me to understand how the "straights" (my nickname for non-gays and non-transsexuals) come to hold your viewpoint. They never have to think about difficult things. A propagandist concept like "getting saved" is probably emotionally seductive. It's easy for me to understand why one of the straights would believe in a magical person that magically forgives things that are magically wrong for magical reasons.

But - it's very hard for me to understand how you can be the same thing I am, have faced the same difficulty, and have not come to the conclusion that it's all just a big lie.

For that, I will tip my hat and congratulate you. You understand a part of the human condition that is utterly beyond my comprehension. I hope that your unique viewpoint lets you give comfort to transsexuals that share your point of view.

Hugs,
Bree

[RebeccaFog]

I understand what Joseph said about being saved;

I turned to God with nothing left, and in doing so, rediscovered the Person who fulfills like nothing else.

However, I have experienced it from a spiritual/psychological point of view rather than a spiritual/religous one. I finally emptied myself of all of the garbage I was carrying and was filled with the spirit. In my case, however, the person wasn't "God", but myself.

   I tore at the fabric of my psyche and pulled away the self hatred, the self doubt, and, the blinders that prevented me from knowing myself. I basically jetisoned the person who I thought I was and replaced it with the person who I used to be as a child and who I should be as an adult. The process was a hellish undertaking as many of you are aware.
   But there is no religion in what I now know as God, though, perhaps ironically, I've joined a local church since. It is the result of getting my conscious self and my unconscious self aligned and communicating together the way they should be.
   I believe in God. I believe in the power of the universe. I believe that it is the energy of the universe combined with the grace and complexity of the human mind that allows people to believe in God.

   God really is everywhere and in every thing. God is a part of every bad person as well as every good person. God can't be blamed for the actions or inactions of people because God created the human mind and God allows that human mind to struggle in the same way that flies struggle against spiders and antelope struggle against lions or other predators. People struggle against the climate, against hunger, against disease, and even against thier own nature. People struggle as individuals, as families, and as communities, and so on. If it weren't for struggle, the human race would still be apes (which I would take as a blessing).
   The struggle never ends. Even when a person finds thier true self and has passed through the biggest struggles of their lives, they still have more struggling to do. Having to be strong enough to overcome or to endure adversities is a gift that one can give to one's self and then use for the betterment of others.
    My point is that God is not a myth. God is true and is with every single one of us. But God is not a fairy godmother whose job is to make everything better all the time. God is the same energies that holds this universe together while also trying to tear it apart. This may sound contrary, but that is the nature of God.


   I apologize for being long winded and I have no intention of trying to convert anyone. I also hope that this post makes sense to someone else (if not me). I also hope I don't come across as crabby. This whole topic is a concept that really needs about 2 years and 2 million words to get across properly.