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Pray the trans away

Started by WaterGirl, December 18, 2015, 05:13:32 PM

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itsApril

Quote from: WaterGirl on December 22, 2015, 05:47:30 PM
I'm thinking so too. It's too bad because she has been helpful, maybe just because she's been an ear to tell my story. Then she gives me this book...

There isn't a gender therapist within 250 miles  :/

Therapy is important and usually helpful in sorting out issues.  But honestly, not having any therapy is better than therapy that's actually harmful.  I think you need to confront your therapist about this and find out where she's coming from.  If she really believes your gender issues are the result of spirit or demon possession, you need to get out of there right away.  Seriously, that's crazy talk.  Listening to her and letting her views get inside your head can do a lot of damage.

There may not be experienced gender therapists close by.  But I have no doubt that there are therapists available in your area who are honest and committed to the well-being of their patients, even though they may not yet be experienced in gender identity issues.  You might be lucky enough to find a therapist who is willing to expand her own knowledge in this area.  (Good therapists learn and grow and develop in their thinking, just like we all do!)  Why don't you call around and see?
-April
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SamKelley

Quote from: sterusjon on December 23, 2015, 11:52:24 AMI have sometimes wondered, if Jesus was walking among us as he did some two thousand years ago, would He, if I pleaded for healing in His presence, change my person-hood to match my body, or would He change my body to match my person-hood.  Think about it.  He did not tell the blind-so-born to be content to not see or make them not desire to be seeing.  He healed their physical infirmity to be in accord with the person within.

Woah.. That one's going to keep me thinking for days!
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Adena

QuoteI have sometimes wondered, if Jesus was walking among us as he did some two thousand years ago, would He, if I pleaded for healing in His presence, change my person-hood to match my body, or would He change my body to match my person-hood.  Think about it.  He did not tell the blind-so-born to be content to not see or make them not desire to be seeing.  He healed their physical infirmity to be in accord with the person within.
Quote from: SamKelley on December 29, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
Woah.. That one's going to keep me thinking for days!

Yes I really think this is very insightful too. I've been trying to prod my loved ones to think outside the box they have been constricted in for so long too. I myself didn't have a clue about the nature of transness until I recently started to understand myself more - the fog of repression has started to lift.
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Kylo

One of the most interesting things I learned recently was that the binary idea of two biologically distinct sexes is a recent idea, that came on with the development of science and the field of biology. Before that, as in medieval times, the distinction between men and women wasn't strictly biological, but more spiritual and based on religious ideas.

Back then the word "men" and "man" referred to all people in general, and all people were apparently considered to be much the same but different on spiritual levels. Unfortunately just like today where people discriminate against men or women based on their biology and whether or not they think they are superior or inferior based on biology, back then they were discriminated against based on the ideas of who was spiritually inferior or superior. In the Christian era men were considered spiritually superior and women inferior as if they were less capable of reaching the same level of enlightenment and so on which is likely why "holy men" were usually men. In the long distant past or in some polytheistic religions perhaps the reverse was more true since there are a lot of relics of worship referring to women and their ability to create/nurture life inside and outside of their own bodies, which men cannot do. 

Learning that the idea of what men and women "are" that we use these days is based on ideas from biology was kind of a wake-up call to me, because I'd been using those ideas to decide things too. We do hear justifications these days for men being better at this or that or women better than men for this or that and it's always based on their biology as the excuse. But those excuses have changed over time and they aren't really "proof" of anything. It's odd to hear how religious people are now using scientific ideas to define trans people and discriminate against them when many holy texts do not even have a clear definition of what a trans person is to even discriminate against them. On a spiritual level a trans person isn't a sinner or a transgressor just for being trans at all. Yet modern ideas have been twisted or usurped to justify some feeling that trans people are incorrect, unnatural and misguided. Interestingly there's examples of greater acceptance and acknowledgement of the trans phenomenon in more ancient cultures than today's "enlightened" or advanced ones.

As a former biologist I have a lot of respect for the sciences, but as a trans person I can see how scientific definitions about gender are simply not adequate and have been used to make a lot of people miserable, even by religious people who do not necessarily take a lot home from scientific study. But they have taken home the ideas about men and women's BASIC biological gender differences, and very little awareness seems to have been raised about how gender is very much a spectrum in nature and is decided by much more than XX and XY.

It's why I'm baffled that the church even has a stance on trans people - very little about it is even mentioned in the Bible. Do they have a stance on people born with intersex biology? Surely assigning a gender for a person with both male and female characteristics should be as religious taboo as a trans person changing their apparent gender if "changing what one is born with" is the unnatural thing to do.   
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Deborah


Quote from: T.K.G.W. on December 31, 2015, 08:26:56 AM
Interestingly there's examples of greater acceptance and acknowledgement of the trans phenomenon in more ancient cultures than today's "enlightened" or advanced ones.

Yes, in Ancient Rome there was a whole religion built around it centered on the Goddess Cybele.  Trans women surgically altered themselves in a public ceremony and then served as priestesses.  Unfortunately, it and all the other religious expressions were eliminated by the Church in the late fourth century.

When Christians start babbling about this being a new cultural phenomenon I just sigh at their self induced ignorance.


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