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Wrong reason for transition?

Started by Jamie_06, December 27, 2015, 08:38:39 PM

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Jamie_06

So I was trying to figure out why someone like me, who had been fairly well-adjusted to a male life, and didn't have nearly as much self-loathing as the others on here (the only dysphoria I seem to have is some annoyance over body hair and voice, plus my lack of breasts but we'll get to that later), would get the idea to transition. A really disturbing thought occurred to me: What if I'm only thinking of doing this for sexual reasons? The body I had imagined as the "ideal me" was very similar to what I had imagined as being sexually attractive to me, and I'd be lying if I said there was no sexual aspect to my thoughts.

It would explain a number of odd aspects. I still mainly identify with male characters? Of course, if I only want this because of the sexual aspects, it's not like my identity would really be different. I don't want SRS? Of course, why risk eliminating my ability to receive pleasure.

My early fantasies about being a girl around 13 were sexual in nature as well. And while I don't get any more aroused in women's clothing than I do in men's, I did feel turned on the first time I crossdressed in college. My desire to have breasts is suspect as well for the same reason. Does the sexual aspect of these experiences invalidate them? If so, how can I say I really want this because it's who I am, versus because I am turned on by it?

This is making me really hate myself and disgusts me. I hope it isn't true, but I have to face facts if it is. I know I seem to be going back on the progress I made, but I'm still very confused and uncertain right now. I will bring this up with my therapist when I start seeing one, of course.
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Lyndsey

Hi Jamie

Wow I don't know what to say as I see that all your thinking is confusing. I do not think that you should wait to see a therapist I would book one now asap for your own sanity. Only you can help yourself. You will know a lot more after talking to a professional. I know they helped me threw a lot. You have my Blessings. Please let me know how you made out I will be here as a lot of people that will help you as much as we can. You can PM me

Hugs
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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Dena

Yes there are wrong reasons for transitioning but I think our transgender feeling is tied in with our sexuality and that's one of the reason why the blockers help calm our mind. The only way to sort this out is through RLE as living full time in the desired gender exposes us to what life will really be like. It's also the reason for not doing anything permanent to our body until we know we will continue our journey and we won't turn back.

You are trying to determine where the truth is without enough information. So far you have only taken a few trips out as a woman and have no idea what full time will be like. Enjoy yourself for now and work on learning more about yourself before you determine just how far you want to go.
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CaptFido87

Hey jamie. I'm feeling 100% about the same as you right now.

You listen to all of the stories from other trans woman, they all seem to tell the same kind of story. They were young, or knew they were trans at a very early age. They secretly cross dressed and did all of the same kind of crap. Than it's people like you and me, thinking well I didn't know at an early age and I still don't know right now. Trust me I thinking the same thing right now as I type this. I enjoy wearing both types of clothes, I like hanging with both sides of the genders, some of my first thoughts about transitioning were definitely for the sexual part, etc. Now I'm in a constant state of mind of wanting to be trans than 2 seconds later thinking, "no, I Shouldn't do this. There's too much at stake" than back to wanting to be trans. It's honestly starting to scare me and its freaking me out. It'd be the biggest decision on my life. I know that means you're kind of on my same wavelength which is nice. Tells me that we need to be friends.

As for the therapist part, do it. It's gonna cost some money, but it's worth it. You might even get lucky and have a great insurance company cover most of the costs. I wasn't as lucky because apparently my dad's work has a crummy insurance plan. That being said, it does work. I told me therapist a lot about me, my life, my friends, my family, and my job. Though I was afraid to truly speak my mind on some things. just so hard to muster out words that you're thinking about 247. Probably should have. oh well. It's a simple method of getting whatever is on your chest and out, without any fear of it being used against you. That's what I enjoyed most about my sessions. I would get so nervous and scared that I might screw up and say the wrong thing to my therapist, but after a few minutes of talk, the butterfly's would just go away. It was like a pain reliever to me. Now my therapist wasn't specifically trained in gender identity problems such as mine, but understood the gist of it when I talked to him about things. told me had dealt with a few gay people in the past. I would suggest making sure that you find a therapist who's either a specialist in gender related or one that's open to hearing whatever. it'll make the difference.

lastly the clothes does help a lot. The first time I cross dressed, it felt so magical and wonderful. but the next time just didn't quite get me back to that same high from previous, kind of like a drug right. This changes and fluxes for me as some pieces of woman's clothing make me feel wonderful like the first time, where as others make me go ehh. For me personally I wear panties all the time now. This is one way to make me feel a little bit better about myself in public. not to mention I have a semi small package, and it helps with the thigh issues.

Hope I was able to connect some of your issues to mine and that you found some advice to be useful.
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


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JLT1

Hi,

It's me again..

There is NOT a standard narrative.  Your thoughts and feelings are not terribly unusual. 

I talked to my psychologist about MTF transgendered individuals.  My assertion was that there are two very distinct types: those who know young and those who kinda slide into it over time.  You are one of the sliders.  30 years ago, you would have resisted this and ended up as a late transitioner.  This is a different time, a different society and you are really focused  (good on you). 

My psych, who has been working with transgendered individuals for over 40 years, agreed but also thought there were sub-types as well as atypical MTFs.  I agreed to that.

You are unique.  You are special.  Why should your life's journey be scripted?  Why should it be the same as anyone elses?  There should be similarities but there should be differences.

Hugs

Jen

To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Jamie_06

I think I was kind of freaking out there earlier; sorry. And thank you to everyone who responded; I'm glad you're here.

Anyway, discussed it in the chat. One trans guy pointed out that if guys actually wanted boobs for sexual reasons, he wouldn't be trying to get rid of his. Having that particular perspective helped, and I didn't even think of that.

...yes, I kind of think I'd have ended up as one of those people who held out until 57 or something, but I just stumbled on it earlier that I was really supposed to. Probably still a good idea to get therapy ASAP though as was stated.
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Lyndsey

Quote from: Jamie_06 on December 27, 2015, 10:12:56 PM
I think I was kind of freaking out there earlier; sorry.

Anyway, discussed it in the chat. One trans guy pointed out that if guys actually wanted boobs for sexual reasons, he wouldn't be trying to get rid of his. Having that particular perspective helped, and I didn't even think of that.

...yes, I kind of think I'd have ended up as one of those people who held out until 57 or something, but I just stumbled on it earlier that I was really supposed to. Probably still a good idea to get therapy ASAP though as was stated.

Hi Jamie

Yes you should at least talk to someone who is a professional and deals with this sort of thing. As some of us have gone back and forth for years before finally realizing who and what we are and what corse we have taken.

Hugs
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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Rp1713

Jamie, I know the day to day is so tough. You can be so confident in who you are one moment, but incredibly confused and self-doubting the next. I think we all definitely have some sort of sexual motive or something driving us, but that doesn't mean that the feelings aren't real.

Just in the course of a single day I can go from thinking about all this in such a positive way and then thinking I should just stuff it all away because it couldn't be me, it's got to just be in my head. This can flip-flop through out the day or start at one side and end on the other. But there's a reason it manifests.

It can actually be even more confusing with how much more information is out there than years ago. Sometimes it will make you think the more I read the more confused I get. I'm just feeling this way because of what I'm watching and reading. The truth of the matter is people like us are attracted to this idea because it was there all along, there was just never anything that truly sparked it until now, and all the societal pressure to fit into a "normal" narrative, preventing us from looking deeper within ourselves to find who we truly are doesn't help. Cis people are not interested in any of this, and many of them have a lot of trouble even imagining or understanding the concept. sure everyone has doubts, but for me, and it seems like for you as well, in recent months it has been a constant struggle. There was a video I watched on the transition channel that the woman is talking about signs of being transgender. Toward the end of her list (which she stated at the beginning if none of them fit you that's okay, it's not comprehensive) she states "if you are watching this video, or asking yourself 'am I transgender?' You are most likely transgender. Cisgender people generally do not question their gender identity." This was a light bulb moment for me because it's so damn true. Cisgender people do not spend every spare moment looking for clues as to whether or not they might be transgender. Which is exactly what we are doing on a daily basis. I wake up and go to sleep contemplating my transgenderness and have been for months on end if not years. Cis people simply do not do this.

As several people stated above and to me many times, there's no specific narrative or way of being trans. The decisions are for you to make and there's actually something empowering in that. Sure it's extremely scary at times, but most important things in life are.

Finding a therapist that I feel comfortable with has really helped. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse as I'm not the first person to say on this thread, but I think it will really help you as well. One thing has helped me get through a lot of tough things in my life has been one simple quote my father repeated to me on many occasions growing up. Granted, in this scenario it is by no means an instant fix, but for me it helps instill some strength in me, or at least discover the strength that already exists. "Feel the fear, and do it anyways."

There are many challenges in life but if you do your best to live with this mindset you'll be amazed at the tough moments you can get through, and the things that you can accomplish. Know that at the end of the day it's not about the end goal but the journey. As you take baby steps down the path of your life, at times you will look back and say "wow!! How did I get this far!" In these moments you can be proud of yourself as long as you are true to self.

Much love,

Ry


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Jamie_06

I might actually be moving too fast on this. Going female in public before I was really sure was a big step that threw me for a lot of confusion afterward. I have to back off for a while and really evaluate myself, start seeing a therapist, etc. It is possible that I'm doing this for the wrong reasons; after all, some actually did do it too fast and regretted it.

Finding myself will just take time, and I'm not sure where I'll end up after enough of it.
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Amoré

Hi

My advice would be to get a therapist they would put things into perspective for you but they can't tell you to pull the trigger! You are the only one that can decide if transition is right for you.

I went back and forth between transition and staying me for various reasons over the last year including a marriage that the ship is sinking faster than I can imagine at this stage.

Also I did not find transitioning a turn on but I do fantasize what it may be like having sex as a woman. How would it feel all those types of thoughts is running through my head. I can promise you a lot cis folk also secretly the think about this now and then.

The bottom line is you must figure out what is right for you. It is a very confusing time in a persons life is this happens to them and they are like wat is wrong with me and you try to find patterns in others peoples experience that might explain what you are who you are and what road you must walk.

Take your time it is not a race


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Free2beMe

wow this does sound like a very confusing situation for you. :(

I don't think the sexual experiences invalidate anything. You have to factor in all that testosterone running through your body, which is going to give you these sexual urges and fantasies. In my opinion it just complicates things, and in such a situation, T blockers might be a good idea perhaps? It might help clear things up a bit.

When I was younger in my teens, my testosterone high, I started to have these sexual thoughts, but what was interesting was that I imagined myself as a girl/woman in these fantasies. Just gone 30, and while I have been very intimate with a woman, I felt uncomfortable using my thing lol, and so I never did it. I always said I wanted to wait for a bit in the relationship, but the truth is I felt a bit uncomfortable and always have. Strange that sometimes even though I am almost exclusively attracted to girls, I can imagine myself having sex with a guy but only as a woman. Those thoughts are fleeting thoughts, but they have been there. But I love women, and that actually confused things more for me because I thought that you had to be gay, or now as I understand heterosexual trans woman.

And even cis women have all sorts of sexual fantasies, so you're no different in that respect. It's not something to be ashamed of or anything like that.

I think that people should just do whatever makes them happy, regardless if they fit into some kind of narrative or not. But the reality is that right now is that these decisions can cause irreversible changes, and I guess you're aware of that. If that wasn't the case then perhaps it'd be a bit easier to explore. ;/

I've also heard girls who did go onto transition fully and they admitted sexual thoughts too, but their desire to transition and be female persisted even after the sexual aspect was gone from taking estrogen and blockers.
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Qrachel

Dear Jamie:

I hope you see a therapist post-haste.  Your concerns are not uncommon but they are unique to you as they manifest themselves specifically in your life.  That's why dedicated therapy is so essential.

As for sexuality being prurient (my choice of words only) or otherwise unseemly, our sexuality is fundamental to who we are.  Our self-expression has huge nurture/nature aspects of sexuality embedded within it, so it is normal for sexuality to be a part and parcel to who are and wish to be.  If your sexuality wasn't engaged as part of your transition, that would be unusual and possibly a red flag.

How this all fits into your personality, life style and spirituality is something to explore with a therapist.

You note you are/maybe going backward and I'm sure it may feel that way, but is it possible you are beginning to access deeper meaning and possibly challenges/opportunities in your transition - something we all have to do in order make transitioning real?  It's easy to attribute the things one encounters in transitioning that aren't all nice and sweet as falling backwards in their transition.  I'd suggest nearly everything you have, are and will experience/d is what's there for you in your journey.

Please stay in touch and see that while you are singularly unique we all share so much in common,

TTFN . . . . Rachel

Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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Lyndsey

Quote from: Jamie_06 on December 28, 2015, 01:23:02 AM
I might actually be moving too fast on this. Going female in public before I was really sure was a big step that threw me for a lot of confusion afterward. I have to back off for a while and really evaluate myself, start seeing a therapist, etc. It is possible that I'm doing this for the wrong reasons; after all, some actually did do it too fast and regretted it.

Finding myself will just take time, and I'm not sure where I'll end up after enough of it.

Hi Jamie

Know one is pushing you to make any decisions as you are the only one that can do which ever for yourself. It is not how fast you can do something It is being who you are and at a slow pace to get to know what you truly want. Like I said before you definitely need to get some professional help to help guide you threw this. It May take years to know but that is ok. Be yourself. Know what you are doing before making a life changing mistake that you can not change back. Always remember everyone is unique in there own special way.

My Heart Goes out to You.
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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Emileeeee

I also had periods of confusion similar to yours and I thought I'd just rush through it all and it would go away. The more I tried to rush, the less comfortable I was. You still need to make the decision yourself, but here's what I did.

I ultimately thought a bunch of stuff through and determined that a transition was probably the right move for me, but I wasn't sure. One thing I was sure of was that I would never know without trying. So I started taking it slow, introducing new feminine aspects to myself in public little by little. I eventually arrived where I am now, which is filling out the paperwork for my name change.

I still wonder from time to time if I'm making the right move because I still feel myself falling back into male interaction mode, especially with men that look like construction workers to me. But my overall happiness has increased dramatically and so I press on.
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