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Started by Amoré, December 30, 2015, 01:05:20 AM

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Amoré

I feel like I am caught in a tornado and I am just going round and round doing the same stupid motions each day :-\

I feel like I am going nowhere in life sitting with a marriage that is hopeless due to a spouse that was the best thing that ever happened to me and that I thought was a gift from God in my life to I don't even know how to describe her anymore. She made it clear all road that she is leaving open is one where I walk away out of her life.

I feel this is unfair because how do you love someone for 10 years and decide O you have dysphoria you are not worthy of me anymore! You can stay a man but you are not worthy because you cant be a provider also and buy me everything other men can. She was happy with who I was for 10 years.

Then begs the question why did she take my dysphoria in the first place and made it her battle? I tracked all the events of this past year from that I came out and realised the moment I came out I gave the dysphoria meaning I made it concrete! Also be very careful that your wife does not take your dysphoria and make it her problem and want to fight it for you!

It is a disaster waiting to happen. We had a fight this morning and I mentioned this to her. Now she wants to go to couples counceling. But I am so hurt by her that I feel I can't continue anymore I want to just go and live on my own island in peace. Is this going to be the rest of my life fighting no respect at all! I can't see that she will ever respect me anymore. She is telling me it is not fair for my child that I wanted to be a woman. Well it is not fair also getting divorced. But is it fair growing up in a house where both parents is unhappy then. I can cope with having dysphoria but will I really be happy in any direction? I don't think so really.

She hurt me so badly I feel that I want to end it no matter how bad it hurts walking away. Take the beating of becoming a woman and get it over and done with and find someone that appreciates me for me and not. She will never accept me for being me. She will never accept the dysphoria. She will never be happy or truly happy.Is this why I am taking this beating because she is unhappy ?




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Tessa James

Yes, life is not fair and yes, people often don't fight fair either.  So sorry you are in a painful place with your partner.   I hope there is a physical place you can be that is safe and quiet.  I hope there are other people in your life that you might talk with and find support from too. 

I am one that believes we do our spouse and children no favors by avoiding uncomfortable truths.  I'm not sure we are ever over and done with and dating can too often be that grass is greener thing.  I hope you can focus on being true to yourself however and whenever you can.
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pyhxbp

I am not sure where you live or what laws are applicable, but if you were in the UK I would be advising you to go and see your GP and tell them that you have Gender Dysphoria and are seeking treatment for it. Once that is done I would be popping along to a divorce lawyer and tell them that you are starting  medical treatment for a recognised diagnosable and treatable condition (ICD10-F64.0) and get legal advice. Finally I would tell the wife that I have done what she asked and started proceedings.

If this is going to end in a split then it is vitally important to get yourself protected and, ideally, to be in as much control of a divorce / separation as possible. It may even well be that once you tell her that she is getting what she asked for that she might even realise this is no longer a game and she needs to deal with the situation that she has, in part, caused. She is not totally blameless in this - you and your dysphoria may have been the spark but she seems to be busy pouring petrol on the flames and then blaming you for the fireball created.

BTW, generally speaking children are OK with a transitioning parent, but it is well known that they can be damaged by the process of an acrimonious divorce.
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Jacqueline

Amoré,

Is the suggestion of couples counseling just a tactic? Is it possible, over time she may come around? This is a hard thing to accept in ones self, likewise difficult for the spouse. Many feel betrayed or lied to.

I am not saying you are wrong. Nor am I supporting abuse to you. Just curious if she might come around after some self realization in couples therapy?

I don't have any answers for you. I feel badly about where you are and how betrayed you must feel.

I hope your journey becomes smoother and easier.

with warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Amoré

I am tired of playing this game and I can see this relationship and strain is toxic for my baby girl. I feel like ->-bleeped-<- when I tried to speak to my wife this morning and my daughter of two came in there papa stop it. I realised at that moment that somewhere along the line I will have to see this relationship for what it is.

I am doing no one a favour by trying to make this thing work if my wife is not willing to work with me. I am only making this thing more toxic.  :'(

Am I trying to safe something that is inevitable to ever work again? She is keep on hammering that I wanted to be a woman and I still want to be a woman but I am coping with my feeling. I can just see that trying to work on this thing alone is pushing her away and making things toxic for my child.

Is it the time now to walk away and never look back and call a spade a spade.

I am so afraid she will be unhappy in the future she told me she know I have dysphoria now and is battling with it. This changes the game for her and I can understand that it makes the decision to stay with someone like me very difficult because she is uncertain about if I will flip out in the future.

Am I doing the right thing then to walk away to protect them from getting hurt any further. Giving her the opportunity to be free and happy. As difficult as this may seem is it the right time to walk away.

I stopped my hormones for this woman and I love her with everything in me and my love just want me to be with her and share my life with her. I just don't know if it is the time to walk away.


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Tamika Olivia


Am I doing the right thing then to walk away to protect them from getting hurt any further. Giving her the opportunity to be free and happy. As difficult as this may seem is it the right time to walk away.


From everything you've posted to this point, I think you need to walk away to protect yourself from being hurt further. Maybe, if you get out before the toxicity of the relationship becomes deadly, you can circle back in time and become good friends with your wife and good co-parents for your daughter. Right now though... you're trying to rebuild during an active hurricane.
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Deborah

It sounds to me like she was using all the divorce language to punish and harass you and that you called her bluff.  You stood up and made it real and immanent and now it's something that's going to really happen.  Reality is biting her now.

I have no idea if couples counseling will work but if you do try it then there has to be at least a 50/50 compromise.  If you give less than that it's almost guaranteed that this cycle will repeat over and over.


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Amoré

Quote from: Tamika Olivia on December 30, 2015, 07:01:36 AM


From everything you've posted to this point, I think you need to walk away to protect yourself from being hurt further. Maybe, if you get out before the toxicity of relationship becomes deadly, you can circle back in time and become good friend with your wife and good co-parents for your daughter. Right now though... you're trying to rebuild during an active hurricane.

I am considering walking away to protect myself. The problem is looking at my child I feel like a failure of a parent if I walk away :'( I agree with you building while in an active volcano is dangerous. This does not work well as I found out.

I am sitting trying to figure things out for myself and being the best that I can be in the worst situation.


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Tamika Olivia

Quote from: Amoré on December 30, 2015, 07:25:12 AM
I am considering walking away to protect myself. The problem is looking at my child I feel like a failure of a parent if I walk away :'( I agree with you building while in an active volcano is dangerous. This does not work well as I found out.

I am sitting trying to figure things out for myself and being the best that I can be in the worst situation.

Staying married to protect the kids hardly ever works. By walking away, you're not failing as a parent, you're a triumphant parent. You are removing the toxic marriage from the equation, giving your wife a chance to heal, and you're giving yourself a chance to find out who you really are, free of the burden of this marriage. All of these things, in the fullness of time, will be healthier for your child than the current situation.
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Amoré

Quote from: Deborah on December 30, 2015, 07:10:02 AM
It sounds to me like she was using all the divorce language to punish and harass you and that you called her bluff.  You stood up and made it real and immanent and now it's something that's going to really happen.  Reality is biting her now.

I have no idea if couples counseling will work but if you do try it then there has to be at least a 50/50 compromise.  If you give less than that it's almost guaranteed that this cycle will repeat over and over.


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I haven't got a clue really if this was the case I wan't out because this is causing unnecessary drama and hurt in something that could have been sorted out a while back then.I don't want to repeat this cycle also if every time she does not get her way. She have seen now where she got power. She was telling me I am harassing her for trying to speak to her to try again and she should have gotten a restraining order a long time ago but she is giving me the benefit of the doubt. Al this is just talk and threats it is confusing the crap out of me and if I ask her why did you not divorce yet or when do you want to do it then she says there is no money but there is money and I offered her to pay for the divorce then because I can't take the emotional abuse anymore.

Through all this the victim that did not ask for this or deserve this is my child that is getting emotionally scared for parents that is sleeping in different beds. My wife that refuses to hug or kiss me for 5 months now. She is being raised in a house where the foundation is showing spite and rejection from my wife's side. I am trying to fix this but trying to have an adult conversation with a person that wants it her way and can't step back and asses a situation for what it is, is like speaking to a wall.



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Amoré

Quote from: Tamika Olivia on December 30, 2015, 07:36:06 AM
Staying married to protect the kids hardly ever works. By walking away, you're not failing as a parent, you're a triumphant parent. You are removing the toxic marriage from the equation, giving your wife a chance to heal, and you're giving yourself a chance to find out who you really are, free of the burden of this marriage. All of these things, in the fullness of time, will be healthier for your child than the current situation.

This is a new perspective I actually agree with this ::)


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Kylo

Speaking as a kid whose mother and bio father hate each other, and whose mother and step father stuck together "for the kids" even though it caused more stress than I can describe, I don't think it's necessarily the best thing for your kid if the situation is always tense around the house and when you and your wife are around each other. Kids pick up on stuff and if you can't create the facade of a happy family to protect her then I don't see the use of going through all that pain because your kid will feel the effects anyway. Especially as they get older.

I know that as a kid I looked at my mom and both of my dads as the primary example of "what married life was" and I've been forever put off the idea since.

Sounds like it would be better for you to be away from your wife, better for her to be away from you and better for your kid in the long run. If I were in your shoes two things would bother me about that though, one if you think your wife is going to poison your kid against you, and the other would be the alimony and child support issue. I hear the laws on that are brutal in some places, regardless of how difficult a father's personal situation is, the law does not care about the father.
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Amoré

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on December 30, 2015, 08:26:12 AM
Speaking as a kid whose mother and bio father hate each other, and whose mother and step father stuck together "for the kids" even though it caused more stress than I can describe, I don't think it's necessarily the best thing for your kid if the situation is always tense around the house and when you and your wife are around each other. Kids pick up on stuff and if you can't create the facade of a happy family to protect her then I don't see the use of going through all that pain because your kid will feel the effects anyway. Especially as they get older.

I know that as a kid I looked at my mom and both of my dads as the primary example of "what married life was" and I've been forever put off the idea since.

Sounds like it would be better for you to be away from your wife, better for her to be away from you and better for your kid in the long run. If I were in your shoes two things would bother me about that though, one if you think your wife is going to poison your kid against you, and the other would be the alimony and child support issue. I hear the laws on that are brutal in some places, regardless of how difficult a father's personal situation is, the law does not care about the father.
I can relate to growing up in a toxic household my mother and father hate each other. It was a physical and emotional abusive relationship that was the example I had of a relationship. I swore I will never repeat what they did. Now fast forward to dads number two she was okay she knew I was trans as a teenager she was the only one that accepted it the psychiatrist told my father it is just a phase but she knew I was different because she saw the real me I was like a glass box to her. She tried to help my father understand but things got worse and between my fathers stubbornness and him believing it will pass and he can fix me I went through hell and she gave up fighting for me. She turned real step mother for some reason and everything went south they got divorced.

Know my father is married to the family know it all control it all type that is in the self proclaimed advisory role. She is a sister nurse whatever that want to argue with me that being trans/gay/lesbian whatever is not biological but physiological
and came up with the conclusion if it was biological my hormones would have shown it. I would not have normal hormone levels for a male. We choose to be what we are. She is also a big dictator in my marriage and is one that also helped steer it in this direction. She is a real piece of work.

My dad made piece with it and is just getting mad because I can't decide what I want to be at this stage. He just want all the drama to end. So do I!

The thing is I can't create a facade of a happy life and how love should look in front of my child because of my stubborn wife I told her now you must choose do you really want to fix this or are we going to play this stupid game and drag it out until you decided you had your revenge or whatever she is trying to prove because if you want to divorce do it don't drag it out for 5 months! When I ask her why she did not get around it and I did not want to divorce her she comes up with a lame excuse.

When things are getting tense my child attitude changes towards me and she imitates her mother and don't want to hug me or anything. I am not the abusive type I am normally the fixer I am normally the one sitting and taking the hits and telling her like there is hope there is help we just have to get it. Then the emotional abusive crap starts and some of this is happening in front of my child. She is seeing me cry and being brought to tears and weak and fragile.

I just feel this whole thing is turning brutal and my child is in the crossfire  :embarrassed: :'(



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JoanneB

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on December 30, 2015, 08:26:12 AM
Speaking as a kid whose mother and bio father hate each other, and whose mother and step father stuck together "for the kids" even though it caused more stress than I can describe, I don't think it's necessarily the best thing for your kid if the situation is always tense around the house and when you and your wife are around each other. Kids pick up on stuff and if you can't create the facade of a happy family to protect her then I don't see the use of going through all that pain because your kid will feel the effects anyway. Especially as they get older.

I know that as a kid I looked at my mom and both of my dads as the primary example of "what married life was" and I've been forever put off the idea since.
My wife can tell many a horror story about people who stay together (and get seperate to only return and things get rocky again, 'New Start', make up baby #2 and so on.. :( ) will ultimately effect the kids. I am totally amazed hearing her horror stories of knife & bottle fights, flying turkeys for Thanksgiving and so on how spiritually evolved she is. Credit goes to Grandma she says. I say she was left on the doorstep by wolves. No way she could be a product of their DNA. Her younger sister and baby brother are lost causes and so emotionally damaged. It is sad.

My wife would rather see me happy and us apart then for both of us being miserable and/or me swinging from the end of a rope. She knows first hand all too painfully well what 'Staying Together' will do. As much as I empathize with you and your desire to stay with her as it reflects in many ways my 'Managing' my GD to stay with the love of my life, taking on the trans-beast also requires your partners cooperation and support. That you do not have. You have the anti-supporter who wishes the genie could be put back into the bottle and perhaps hates you for turning her world and dreams upside down.

Marriage is a partnership. You try all all you want and as hard as you can to 'fix' things but if the partner isn't willing your efforts are destined to fail. And likely fail spectacularly leaving an emotionally crippled child in the wake as well as a wife that bitterly hates you and you hating yourself. Hating for trying, hating for dreaming, hating for a fools dream of perhaps just maybe finding some way to simply being happy being you, whoever that 'You' may grow to be.
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Lyndsey

Hi Amore

I have to say that I think it is time for you to get out while you can and before she gets violent and gets a restraining order against you. Don't worry about your daughter if your wife is a good care taker. You will never be denied the right to see your daughter. Always be yourself around her, If you are going to be the women then you will want to do that in front of your daughter. She is only 2 years old. she will always love you no matter what. Also never say anything bad to her about your wife as that is not right for your daughter or you. If you want her respect when she gets older, you will  by doing that. If your wife beats you up in front of her it will come back to get her in the end. Unlike you my wife left me and all my children in 1990. She took off with some one who was suppose to be one of my best friends. I am so happy he did me the favor now as she was and still is a raging alcoholic. I raise all three of my children from 9weeks old till they got married and moved out. I came out to them first and they all said they were fine with it as i was alway both mom and dad any way to them. I know it is hard right now but everything will get better. Time heals! I would be lying to you if I told you that it wouldn't be a tough couple of years ahead of you but keep your head up it will get better. I will be here God willing If there is any way that I can help PM me.

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Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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Amoré

As I am writing this I am sobbing uncontrollably. She just wanted to drag me to my therapist to force the divorce down my throat and she admitted this to me now. I wanted to give it all for this woman only to find out I am more broken by the reality of what she was planning. She told me she wants peace and the only way she can have it is with me out of her life. I can't imagine that I can be this burden to her. I am starting to hate her hate what she is doing to me!

I got so fed up that I reached out and took my first dosage of hrt in 3 weeks. I can't fight her and my trans beast. I can't hurt like this anymore. I hate her I really am starting to hate her.


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Joanne
Your post brought me to tears. Well said.


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pyhxbp

Quote from: Amoré on December 30, 2015, 01:02:01 PM
As I am writing this I am sobbing uncontrollably. She just wanted to drag me to my therapist to force the divorce down my throat and she admitted this to me now.

If it was me, I would take her to the therapist and let her do her thing. I would then name the therapist as a witness to her unreasonable behaviour and request custody of my child.


Quote from: Amoré on December 30, 2015, 01:02:01 PMI wanted to give it all for this woman only to find out I am more broken by the reality of what she was planning. She told me she wants peace and the only way she can have it is with me out of her life.

You will always know that you tried your best, that you did everything you could and that she rebuffed you. This is a storm that she has made, a rod for her own back. Never forget that. You tried so hard that it reduced you to tears, Never forget that either


Quote from: Amoré on December 30, 2015, 01:02:01 PMI got so fed up that I reached out and took my first dosage of hrt in 3 weeks. I can't fight her and my trans beast. I can't hurt like this anymore. I hate her I really am starting to hate her.

I hope it gives you some relief.
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Louisa

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Dear Amoré, you really look so beautiful and feminine in body and psyche. I'm touched by your image.

I've been married twice. Left a first marriage when my daughter was one year. But I was very fortunate and obtained shared care of my daughter (50:50 split) which despite some (serious) ups and downs over the years, worked out extremely well. My daughters an adult now and a very independent/strong character.

Back when I did, I knew I had to leave - I knew I had to jump the gap when the opportunity presented itself, because I sensed I would otherwise become trapped in a marriage with someone I just didn't like as a person - and 16-18 years till a child is an adult, is a long long time (as well as being, as others have already mentioned, a sacrifice about which it is unclear as to whether actually beneficial for children). My experience is that the opportunities to 'jump' soon fade away and might take several years and more heartache to re-present themselves. Also, I sensed that when a child is very young, parents separating can be much less distressing (for them), than when they are 5,6,7,8,9, etc.

I also deeply loved and adored my daughter, and did everything I could to create a situation/environment which I believed the courts would consider suitable for the granting of shared care. At the same time, I do think, that if I had thought my ex would have brought up my daughter really well (i.e. really given her that special attention and devotion and nurturing that a good natural mother can give - the 'golden elixir'  of life, so to speak), then I would probably have settled for less than 50%, maybe far less - maybe for nothing - as I believe in certain circumstances, leaving one parent to bring up the child and saving the child from all the stress that 'fighting-it-out' can bring, can also be a gift to the child. I couldn't do that in my circumstances, as I considered my ex to be severely lacking in terms of the love and stability she could provide to my daughter. Rather I knew that was my job to perform. Though I did have representation at times, as far as possible I represented myself in court, as I had neither the financial resources to cover paying for representation, plus I think in family cases, self-representation can provide the court with an opportunity to get more of a sense of an individual.

I know what you mean about going 'round and round' - I always thought it was like pass-the-parcel of bad-emotional energy. Personally, I believe the only way out of the feedback loop, is some time apart, even if for a few days informal weekend break. There is little more true than the saying: time apart makes the heart grow fonder and sometimes more forgiving.

I wonder if in the end, it comes down to whether each of the partners actually like each other. We all get so bound up in huge themes of love and devotion and sacrifice - that 'like' seems such a small almost irrelevant 'sentiment'. But I'm sure it's the most important factor, as when we like someone, and their character and who they are, it's amazing the allowances we can make - but when its missing, there's just no real connection.

best wishes and I hope the new year brings something really special for you.
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Amoré

Quote from: pyhxbp on December 30, 2015, 02:01:58 PM
I hope it gives you some relief.

It is basically just a way of showing her the finger. I know she want to control my transition and who I am because she believes a child must have a father figure. Now I beg the question I must be this father figure in her life but I am not worthy to be her husband because I am transgender ??? She is contradicting herself and what I realised she is the selfish one because if she really had her child best interests at heart she would have told me. You want to stay a man for me and a father for your daughter. Lets go to the therapist and try and work on a plan but she thinks I am stupid.

She will listen to all the other people in the world except me. The funny thing is when people that used to support her like my father starts to see her abusing nature and getting her way. He told me he is waiting for her because she is selfish manipulative and she had everybody under a false impression that I was the abusive one well they saw what is really going on because we visited them for a week they saw what is really going on. Who is the abuser and who is getting abused.

They saw who was on tears and who is really hurting. So her whole facade came crushing down of sorts.

This is starting to become one vicious cycle and I gave up so much for this woman if I did not quite hrt for her I would have been 6 months on hrt and seen leaps and bounds in changes I hope.
Also I would have been much more comfortable being me and would have a lot more laser sessions under my belt. I said I wanted to live full time by six months and judging from previous experience I can do it without getting too much grief.

I feel that person in the avatar is the real me this person that is a image of a man, the expiry date is long over due

Kellie I really like your answer unfortunately my wife is going to fight for full custody. She said I am too unstable to raise a child as I have depression she also sees gd as an reason. If I may ask did you transition in the end?


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