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Started by AmandaDanielle, January 03, 2016, 08:54:42 PM

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AmandaDanielle

The inner conflict we face is just incredible. I have not come out to many people as of yet but it seems like I traded dysphoria for anxiety. Thank God for friend that are like me that can talk me off a ledge. Daily, I go back in forth on whether I need to transition and doubt who I am and what I am to become. I know that i have always been a girl and always have felt that way. I love what HRT is changing with me but am still conflicted. I dont understand it.

My therapist thinks it's all social transition related... she's right. Maybe its just not the right time yet for my transition. If I didn't have all the social hurdles this would be easy (everybody would say that). I don't know what to think sometimes. I am in the process of reading the book that the Danish Girl is loosely based on. After reading 10 chapters on a flight, I honesty believe maybe I'm not the only one that has this inner conflict despite knowing what I want to do and be.

I am very young in my transition and I am sure that my words may not align or even make sense. I would like to hear from the other girls on this forum what they struggled with in there transition.that is if you are comfortable sharing.
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Lyndsey

Hi Amanda

I like you wanted to do it when I was young but I had many conflicting thing in my life at the time. I was going to start when I was in my early 30's but then I had got married and has three children after my 3rd child was born my ex-wife took off with and other man and left me with the children to raise by myself. That change a lot of things for me as I spent the next 20 plus years raising them and we are all very close. When I was 54 I told my oldest Daughter what I wanted to do and she got the other 2 together and I told them all. They were all very fine with it as they always said I was both. Now I'm going to be the other side for the rest of my life. I'm very happy that I did this now. But Life has Its ways of stopping you or starting you off at that special time. You have my Blessings for what ever you decide to do.

Hug's
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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AmandaDanielle

My situation is similar. I have a wonderful career and job. I am the soul bread winner, so-de-speak. My wife is very accepting of me, even likes my female side more. However I am deathly afraid that I will lose my job/career/everything I worked so hard for. I understand that some of that will happen but I am petrified of that instance.

Currently my wife is paying child support for her daughter which has about 16 months left and she cannot change jobs until after. Id love to stop living a lie and wearing a mask every day. I'd like to start my own photography studio but am limited until she can make more money herself and support us while I get my business off the ground. My transition all revolves around these details. I'd love nothing more than to cut ties and drop off the face of the earth and reemerge as Amanda.

I've been on hrt for a little over 3 months and feel great. Actually better than I have ever felt in my life. My endo recently upped my dosage of estrogen and im afraid that, though i am extremely happy, my timeline and plan has been pushed forward to quicking begging too many unaswered questions that i still need to work through. I want to just tell the word "hey I'm transgender" and get it over with but it just doesn't fit my plan and timeline. So many doubts swirl through my head while  presenting as a guy. "Is this really you?" "Is this really nessasry?" Are among the questions I ask myself.

I just finished that book I was reading and Lili really strikes me as similar to me. Andre was really connected and had many colleagues. As Lili she fear going back to Copenhagen because of these relationships. I too fear this and it eats me alive. It's so difficult to become your true self. No one knows Amanda and they would never believe it.

I tried to come out to my dad over the holiday and it became very apperent that he did not understand what I was say when I said I have struggled a long time with my identity. I hate what I see in the mirror and who I am. Even going as far as to say I struggle with my gender just didn't seem to make sense to him. I fear that he will never understand.

I just swirl...

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Amoré

Hi Amanda

Coming out can be very stressful. I came out on fb to my whole family some of them did not get it and asked am I gay. I just closed my eyes and prayed everything will fall in place. The problem is I don't think there is an easy way or a shortcut to come out.You have to tailor a plan that works for you. I also wish someone can write a guide "Coming out for dummies" that will serve as a general guide then I would have maybe been in less trouble now.

Maybe think of taking people that don't really understand what it is about to your therapist with you. This will help them focus on the actual problem at hand where when you tell them they would be in denial maybe or wonder what was that about. It will into the one ear and out of the other that is what happened to me with my wife several years back when we just started dating.

I had a navel piercing and she was like why I tried to explain and today she denies that we had the conversation.
The therapist will help you get the words out and in a way that would be upsetting to them but maybe give them piece of mind and make the idea of your problem concrete.

Hugs Amoray


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LivingTheDream

Coming out to people and when I first starting going out female were both really hard, stressful, and anxious times for me, the hardest part, so far at least.

I struggled for months I'd say to come out to anyone. I went over what I'd say, what I'd except, when I would say it, how I would say it, over and over in my head so many times that it isn't even funny. I definitely dreaded doing it. I was pretty depressed at the time and was fearing and I guess kinda mentally preparing for the worst; that it wouldn't go well, it would totally be spread to everyone and that I would lose everyone and everything but yet at the same time, also kinda felt like I had nothing to lose. Anyways, it kinda dragged on to the point where I felt that I HAD to tell somebody, I just HAD to get it off my chest.

I believe the first person I told, other than school advisor who I trust and knew from class also and therapists was my best guy friend at the time, who I've known since mid school. I told him in a text that I had something I had to tell him...I didn't hear back from him for a bit but I still had that feeling of NEEDING to tell somebody so I texted something similar to a cousin. We made a date to meet up a few days later and shortly after, heard back from my friend. I think he came by later that day...

He came by later and asked what's up or something like that and I said I had to tell him something. I couldn't come out and say it so I went silent and made him guess, lol! He first guessed if I was gay, I said nope not it, 2nd guess was am I trans. I sorta smiled and said ya, good guess, or something like that. We talked about it for awhile, I opened up a BIT about me and this and things and that was kinda it; he said he didn't have a problem with it. It went pretty similar with the cousin.

After that, the NEED to come out was gone and I went awhile without doing so again. I did get to a point where I wanted to come out to the few family members that I am close to and that seemed harder actually...It took me like 8 months to a year to come out to those few people.

Going out at first, while kinda funny now, was oh so hard, I was so afraid and had so much anxiety about it at first. I started out only going out to therapy and group type places. I would do a bit of makeup and dress as a girl but would cover up clothes w/ a big jacket; it was fall and kinda cold. I would then stare out my window for like 30 minutes, to make sure the coast was clear and build up my nerve. I would carry my purse and like my shoes or boots and other stuff like that in a garbage bag and change into em in my car...I hated doing that, it felt really depressing doing so, especially when I returned home and had to change out of em but I was just terrified to let anyone else see me.

I did my best to not let anyone besides therapists and other trans people from group see me for a few months. First time that I changed that was I believe to my speech therapist appointment. Shes totally awesome, <3 her, and she obviously knew what was going out lol. She's in a pretty big doctors office type place; there's always at least a few and sometimes many people in the waiting area. I told myself that it is a safe place to do it, they are medical professionals after all and like she is so awesome and just always made me feel comfortable around her so I felt that that would be the best place to do this first time. I really wanted to do it and kinda felt like I had to; I had my 2nd endo appointment the following week (already been on e and spiro for 3 months from first visit) and felt I definitely HAD to go there presenting female (similar layout as speech, crowded waiting area. To me, it made 0 sense, felt totally wrong and silly to go presenting male since the doc and nurses knew bout me and knew am taking hrt and that I'm transitioning. I was afraid that they'd stop my hrt, thinking I'm not serious or having doubts or something bad like that) and wanted a practice run and I just knew and was more comfortable doing it with the other one for my first time.

I drove all the way out there to these appointments and I ALMOST chickened out both times but I didn't. I didn't get stared at or laughed at or harassed, nothing bad at all, and I felt really good about it. I then added all doctor appointments as female only mode. I kept it to those type places only for awhile after, was too afraid to go anyone really public. One day my speech therapist suggested going to the nearby mall for an appointment, hoping to see me have to talk to others in public and just be out in public period. Few weeks after that, went up north for a weekend to see some of the fam that I mentioned above when talking bout coming out in full time girl mode (for that weekend; brought no dude clothes with me). Then slowly started going out more and more around my area to where I am now most time in girl mode. It def took awhile but now am mostly comfortable going out any and everywhere.

Anyways, to sum this whole wayyyyyy too long story up, take things at your own pace. If you feel that you are not ready to come out yet don't worry about it, put it on hold for a bit. As you can see, I took things very slowly, I took many small baby steps to get to where I am today because that is what was comfortable for me, what I thought was best for me.

I had a ton of anxiety from when I started transitioning through most of this part of my story. I stressed over everything, planning things, worrying bout things and what's gonna happen, it was on my mind almost 24/7. It would just repeat over and over and over again and I couldn't get it off my mind. I felt very depressed, drained, exhausted. It turned out to be all for nothing in the end!....

Recently, I had another huge, somewhat life changing event happen in my life and it brought back much if not more of the anxiety I had before. I was scared, worried, depressed, stressed, upset, all that and more for that appointment. I so wanted to cancel, to put if off but I didn't...I knew I could avoid it for a bit, it would reduce or maybe even mostly remove my anxiety, but I knew I had to face it eventually and I would go thru the same feelings again. I wanted it over with so I wouldn't have to worry bout it anymore so I went thru with it. It was a huge deal for me, not just going to and having the appointment done but also the not putting it off part; I've always been a huge procrastinator..Again, turns out that I was way too worried about it with thinking the worst. I faced my fears and now it is over and done with, I have no more anxiety bout it and I feel good bout it.

If it gets to the point to like where I was with things with you, I'd say, based on my experiences with it, may be best to just face your fears, get it over and done with instead of spending hours, days, months or even years of having it go round and round in your head and just worrying nonstop about what ifs and thinking the worst. But again, there is no rush; do things when you think and feel that your ready and when it's best to do so.
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AmandaDanielle

Omg, LivingTheDream... you get me! Thank you so much for that wonderful, lengthy post! It is most appreciated! I really am not sure how to respond to it as it pegs me to a "t". Even the staring out the window to make sure the cost is clear!

It is so hard when you know who you are and you can't be it because of fear. I have often thought about going to my endo appointments as Amanda. If I wasn't returning to work directly after, I would. I've gone to my therapist quite a few times but in the direction of not outing myself early my therapist advised me against it. I still do it though. Like you said, it seems silly not too.

I have a couple really good trans friends that help me a lot... sometimes challenge me. I feel a lot of time that I am not ligit because I have all these fears. It does my heart good to hear that others like me do as well!

Thank you so much for your response!! xoxoxo

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AmandaDanielle

 That is a great idea Amore! Never thought of it really. You are a true friend!! Love ya!

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Lyndsey

Hi Girls

I see were Amore thinks we could write a book on how to come out, I wish we could. That would be a great Idea but stop and think for a minute. Every person on here and in the world who comes out and transitions wether it be M to F or F to M has a different circumstance. There is No good way to come out and It will alway be a extremely hard thing for anyone of us to do. Then on top of all the anxiety we could loose our jobs friends family and you can go on. There is such a big change that it can be shocking even to yourself. I took me Years of extreme anxiety. Before I came out. In some instances it was ok, But in other instances it was life changing and devastating to me. I lost 2 business's over it. and I had to go back to what I use to do prosecuting in which I hated. I don't make anywhere the money I use to make and I had to trim down a lot of what I owned and do. I do work for Sears Holdings Inc. Corporate and they pay my medical insurance in full thank God. My SRS was payed In full what a relief. But the bottom line is that all situations are very different so know one could ever wright an book on it. Everyone of you have my Blessing and always will as this can and will be the hardest thing that you will ever do in your life. :angel:

Hug's
Lyndsey
Lyndsey Marie Burke- Started my journey February 2011 Full time on May 5th 2014 HRT June 6th 2014 Name change and on all records and court documents June 20th 2014 SCS October 20th 2015 with Doctor Marci Bowers in Burlingame California I'm a very Happy women and finally living what I should have been living my whole life. Expect the unexpected. I feel Blessed. Love, Live, Be Happy. Be safe.
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AmandaDanielle

So much to gain, but so much to lose at the same time. I know that Amanda will never be what my male counterpart ever was. Time just won't allow (at least I don't think). I never really wanted that anyway. Id be content simply taking care of my wife. I am perfectly fine changing our lifestyle to be able to handle everything. Right now i am so high mainentance that once all is said and done a quiet life would be a welcomed sight. I am ok with all the sacrifces but I guess it boils down to just not being the right time. Timing is everything and believe when the time is right I will be ready and know what to say and how to handle the situations the present themselves.

So many things stand in my way right now. They seem like insermountable barriers that I will never conquer. I could no longer live the miserable existence I was in so I needed to take the first of many steps in this journey. Perhaps therapy and HRT were not the right way to go in my current juncture. It is hard to disern the correct next step or the timing of that step. What is done is done. I am who i am and the feeling of being 95% complete far outweighs the demand my transition places on my mind. I am at the point that is just don't care and that can be dangerous. I am tirrd of keeping a lid on all of this and just want to burst! I too am a planner and my timetable seems to be flying when only yesterday it seemed to be crawling at a snails pace.

I truly do appreciate this forum as an outlet. I have always been a people pleaser and this is seriously the first thing I have ever done for myself. I am so afraid of the outcome but in service to my happiness, if this is what I must endure than its worth it. Yes, I struggle but I know someday this will all be just silly history that is no longer relevant. Thank you for all your thoughts and advice. I cherish them. xoxoxo -A

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LivingTheDream

Glad my super long post helped Amanda.

In the beginning things seemed way insurmountable to me too. I was already kinda on my way to transitioning before I knew it, before i knew it was an option and that this was a real thing; I was totes jealous of a coworkers long sexy hair and had started trying to let mine grow out too, while looking up like breast forms learned that guys (how i saw myself at the time) could actually grow real boobs and started researching and obsessing about that and eventually starting to get my own real ones. It was cuz of that that i came upon this place and was like, oh, well damn, lol, this is a real thing and there is a process for doing it.

I started off by looking for a therapist. I wasn't certain if I was really trans or not; in some ways i fit the "standard narrative" but in many ways I didn't. I also knew that I would need one for hrt, which I already knew that i wanted to "try" at least, seeing as by now had been doing herbals for quite some time for feminization reasons. After talking with the therapist about it for a bit, I figured hair removal would be a good next step for me while I waited for him to clear me for hrt and waited to see a doc. I always hated my facial hair since it first started coming in (I went like a year without shaving when it first came in, sporting a terrible looking beard, mustache and unibrow lol, cuz my parents told me that once u shave it off it will grow back in thicker, darker and faster) and wouldn't miss it at all, even if I eventually decided that I wasn't trans and transition wasn't for me. I was also really hairy and it took a long time to start to even put a dent into it (I do think that my therapist delayed my starting hrt for quite awhile because of that, even tho he never has said that). The rest I sorta put into my first post.

I never really thought about the future that much early on; I just really couldn't imagine or picture it (I've never been able to do that, transitioning was no different). There was no way I could ever come out, let anyone ever know my deepest darkest secret, did it (mostly), no way I'd ever go out in public (done many times now that it's like no biggie anymore), etc. I just knew what I wanted, followed my heart and went with my gut and did things as one step at a time w/o any definitive clear cut end goal. That's what worked for me.

As for you starting or being on hrt and therapy, if that is what you want and what feels right to you, I'd say keep at it. There are many (well at least some for sure) people on hrt that don't socially transition or put it off for quite awhile. Hrt may make huge changes in you and it may become pretty obvious quickly what is going on with you or it may not do too much and you could delay or avoid transitioning indefinitely,  you just dunno, there's no way to know beforehand.

Lastly (I swear!), I'm a huge planner too...I took things super slow at first but once I came out to my bro and a few others things really seemed to speed up for me; a few months later I started going on in girl mode once in awhile to public places. It changed from a few times a month (therapy and group visits only, then added doc appointments) to a few times a week (mostly pretty short time periods to places I was out to and felt safe)to like my bro's plus the other places, to like half time like if I had to go shop or do take care of a few errand type things out in public to now to almost full time in like a years time (ok that doesn't sound all that fast but to me it was! It took me a long time to come to terms with things and to get to that point!) The timing was right for me tho, felt I had nothing to lose, was depressed and had suicidal thoughts once in awhile and figured why not, how can it get worse?

K, I lied about the lastly x.x. Read your post again and wanted to say that in many ways, I am much different that my male self was now. I mostly like my appearance now (still can get better but i actually feel good bout it, kinda think I look cute x.x), feel better now about myself, way happier and positive, way more social and open about things too. I feel I need less sleep but feel more rested and energetic still than before too. While I still have some of the same problems (money and job, procrastination too for example) and some of the same likes/dislikes that I used to have, I really do feel like a different person than I did back then. Hope this helps.
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Janes Groove

I'm so sorry you are feeling so anxious during a time that should be joyful for you.  All transitions are magic.  I just came out as transgender on thanksgiving.   Even though i'm 58, i'm just a baby trans.  it was pretty hard but I had a history that helped me a lot.  I came out as gay when I was 36 after a life-long struggle (till then) and so I have a long established identity as an openly gay man.  I thought when I came out (then) that all the trans stuff that I was suppressing would just be understood since I socially behave more feminine.  I was wrong and I regret not coming out as an effeminate gay man at least. In my defense when I came out I heard the message 'ok, but I don't' want to hear the details.'  A lot. So I obliged.  I have since discovered how toxic that attitude is, but I digress.  It was only last Spring that i felt my transgender identity re - emerge very strongly.  At that point, given my history and knowing how much better life is out, i really had no choice about coming out. I knew I just couldn't live with myself in the closet.  Three major depressive episodes in my life and one suicide attempt when I was 26, if anything, taught me that.  With respect to work, when I came out as gay I had a really good high paying job with lots of room for advancement.  I faced no retribution in terms of being fired or threat of being fired, but the job just didn't fit me anymore.  I had worked my way up the ladder in the closet and that was the identity that i had established at work.  I quit about a year later, but I was financially in a position to do so at the time.  But I think if I were like you then and needed the job I would have done the same thing you are doing and just hang in there.  But I think i would have started to look for another job that is trans friendly.
Lots of hugs and keep fighting.
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Janes Groove

but when i think about it being out as trans is a lot different for me than being out as gay.  as gay one is accepted a lot more easily into society. there is no pressure to pass. as trans i'm out to my family and friends and neighbors. at least the ones I know.  i still present as pretty masculine tho.   i'm working on it.  for me being out now means being dressed in the back yard or answering the door or going to walmart.  when i'm out and about i'm most comfortable now in unisex type clothes with one or two trespasses against the gender binary.  perhaps some fingernail polish. or a womens tennis shoes. maybe a bobby pin in my hair.  things most people don't notice until they get close. 
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Qrachel

Dear Amanda:

You are getting great support here.  We all understand the doubt, the perceived social stigma (you look very nice by the way), and the sense of life being turned upside down.  Worst case:  some or all of your fears may materialize and if they do you'll overcome them.  On the other hand, this may not happen at all and there's only one way to know - transitioning. 

Your schedule to do so is problematic right now, yup!  I can guarantee you that in 16-24 months matters will change but it's a crap shoot whether the timing will be better - in so many cases I've seen there's just now and then now . . . each point in time is typically fraught with challenges and interestingly many you will encounter are not known yet. They only become known after you begin.

I'm not pushing one way or the other, but it is so easy to wait and quite possibly no more productive to do so.  YMMV.

Lovely thread . . . take good care and stay in touch,

Rachel
Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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AmandaDanielle

Ladies, I must say that this is the first thread I have posted on this forum that I have felt like I've gotten true support. Thank you so much for that. The last month has been rough on me, what with the holidays and now a lengthy business trip. It is too easy to focus on the negative and doubt progress when forced into blah mode. I hate having to do it, but my mind is accustomed to it. My doubts and issues seem to be the worst when confronted with situations like this. Though I struggle there always seems to be a reality check toward the end of the trip when I start to desire my female side yet again therefore eliminating the doubting dialog. It's tough I hate living the double life and not being the real me.

I appreciate all your comments. I think right now I am on the right path. The hormones are lovely and I wouldn't change taking them, or stop for that matter. I am joyful despite the anxiety. I just traded my dysphoria for anxiety, which in the grand scheme of things is a good trade. I believe that I will just continue the course quietly letting my body change underneath my baggy exterior. This was to be my original plan anyway. It seems that upping my dosage has not only made me emotional but has triggered a whole plethora of psychological changes causing me to freak out. I need to pull it together again and stay my course. There is a reason I had the courage to start this path.

On a side note...I further think that coming out to a friend will eliminate a lot of my doubts the more my facade is stripped away. Right now only my wife and mom know about me and it's too easy for everything to not appear real... if you know what I mean.

Lastnight I was in a very public venue surrounded by tons of my peers. Not only did I feel out of place but not confrotable in the facade I was portraying. A gentle reminder of who I am. My therapist made a comment the other day that's been burned into my mind. This is not something I just want to do, it's something I must do for survival. She's right. Like you, I did not choose this and for years it has complicated my life without so much of an explanation. Now that i know who i am but have the inability to completely embrace it, it makes existance or this facade all the more intolerable. Not to be all dramatic but I must killing off my male facade in order to flourish and come into my own. I will do this in time and accept the good and bad :) Just not there yet!

I think just a couple of factors have really weighed me down... your experiences and stories help me emensly. Thanks for bringing me back to reality!

-A
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