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Started by LizK, January 05, 2016, 04:50:36 PM

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LizK

Was told yesterday by a Psychiatrist office I was refereed to, that they don't have an appointment for me and that I am on the cancellation list till June. What happens after June?? who knows, Nope no guarantee

I guess I'll just have to suck it up till then...how? How do I suck it up..how do I get through each day..yesterday I find myself planning my own suicide...I have not told anyone this before but as part my decision to transition was because I knew if I didn't fix this I would kill myself...I also made a pact with myself to at least try and transition before taking such a drastic and final step to stop my emotional pain.

I know the hurt and suffering this will cause my family and it is one of the big reasons I have not acted out on any of it. However As time goes on and the emotional pain grows each day. There are some days I feel so bad that if the opportunity presented itself to suicide then I would take it.

Am I a danger to myself? Not at the moment...but I do not know how much longer I can keep going.

I only dress partially at home due to being sensitive to my wifes need to take it slowly. I do understand that but it just makes things tougher for me. I would present now full time if I had the support, although I do have support but only to a certain extent...I don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities. God forbid I present as my correct gender and upset the poor souls. Feels a bit like everyone is so concerned about not having to see me dressed that any thought that I may be in some severe emotional pain is not even considered. I don't need some bloody Psychiatrist to tell me what I already know, I have a diagnosis from another Psychiatrist of Gender Dysphoria but because he has not written the words "recommended for HRT" then I cannot get them prescribed. Pedantics...people playing god with my life when they have no right too. But of course its all in my best interests..so I should really be grateful.

Someone mentioned in a thread you don't need a psych or endo to transition you can do it anytime you want, you cannot get HRT without the Psych approval though and considering that it is most likely to improve my mental state along with providing some of the changes I want. I really am seriously considering talking to my wife and letting her know how desperate I am becoming, if I don't get HRT or approval via the correct channels then I have no hope of getting GCS either. So I really do have to see a psych to jump through the hoops, it strikes me that it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment if someone with severe pain was not immediately given treatment. So why is it when the pain is emotionally crippling I am expected to "deal with it" till I can see someone.

Ok rant finished and as a quick aside, this is my 4th attempt to write this post as the three previous copies vanished when the page suddenly refreshed...is there some way we can have an auto save feature added to it so if the page does refresh suddenly we are able to retrieve what we have already written.

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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stephaniec

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LizK

Thanks...like all things hopefully things will get better....I feel like I am doing a Duck..remaining reasonably calm and in control on the surface but underneath I am paddling like mad just to stay afloat...
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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BeverlyAnn

Elizabeth, I can't address the psychiatrist issues even though I wish I could.  But let me address something else.  A number of years ago, I was on the Interstate highway very early morning, seat belt off and wondering if it would hurt when I center punched a concrete bridge.  The only reason I stopped I was afraid my wife and child would end up homeless.  If I remember correctly, you have a child also.  Do me a favor and anytime the thoughts get dark, stop, take a deep breath and think about your child and how much you love him or her.  Please do that for me.  Please.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. - Oscar Wilde



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pyhxbp

Whilst I was waiting for HRT I started my transition myself by replacing wardrobe items like jeans with women's jeans. No else noticed but I felt better for knowing. I also started beard removal and growing my own hair. These were things that went unnoticed by most people but I knew and that made the difference.
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LizK

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on January 05, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
Elizabeth, I can't address the psychiatrist issues even though I wish I could.  But let me address something else.  A number of years ago, I was on the Interstate highway very early morning, seat belt off and wondering if it would hurt when I center punched a concrete bridge.  The only reason I stopped I was afraid my wife and child would end up homeless.  If I remember correctly, you have a child also.  Do me a favor and anytime the thoughts get dark, stop, take a deep breath and think about your child and how much you love him or her.  Please do that for me.  Please.

Beverly Ann thankyou for your reply Both my Girls are adults with their own lives but that really doesn't chnage anything. If I think about suicide and the horrible ramifications of that it is an absolute no brainer...suicide is not the answer. I know that but what does scare me is when I get into this way of thinking I have been know to act impulsively. I discussed how I was feeling with my wife and she is aware(I didn't know she was) that I get very upset and would never seriously plan anything but she also knows me well enough to say today that she knows of my impulsive streak and could do something stupid. It is one of the very reasons I stopped riding my motorcycle. I am getting better at dealing with this way of thinking but I still struggle.

Beverlyann I do exactly what you have suggested...I think about something Cindi said as well,  "Suicide transfers my pain to my family"...I won't do that, as tired and frustrated as I am I need to accept I have come a long way in a short space of time but I guess I am like every one else I just want to get on with my life. Part of the frustration is this suicidal thinking as it hate it...I am working on trying to get my brain to go to a different space...not terribly successfully though. Lets call it a work in progress.

Elizabeth K             
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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LizK

Quote from: pyhxbp on January 06, 2016, 03:29:28 AM
Whilst I was waiting for HRT I started my transition myself by replacing wardrobe items like jeans with women's jeans. No else noticed but I felt better for knowing. I also started beard removal and growing my own hair. These were things that went unnoticed by most people but I knew and that made the difference.
I don't believe it I have just written you a long detailed reply but as I went to post it, the page refreshed and lost everything I had written. I basically said that I am pretty much doing everything I can with out going full time...which I may do after speaking with my wife about it. I don't think she is ready but I know she is likely to agree anyway. I have had laser hair removal and starting electrolysis on Tuesday.

Thanks for the reply

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Cindy

Elizabeth,
As you know I not only appreciate your frustration but I aso understand it from the practioners side - who are as equally if not more concerned about clients who get referrals and then want the immediate consult they need and deserve.

But sadly government funding is the issue. So complain like hell to your MP, local and Federal. It reinforces what we are doing.

Transition as much as you can without HRT. Go RLE if you can. But only if safe for you. Try the O'Brian St Center, try the clinical psychologists, they will shorten the wait once you are in. Their reports count to the clinic.

If you present to the clinic as a functional female with a report from the clinical psychologists saying you have no family or personal issues then the HRT waiting time is minimal.

To be honest transitioning is and has always been in our hands. The availability of hormones and surgery need clearance.

I'm not going to argue the ethics of that as it is futile under SOC 7. It is what it is.

If you want to live as a woman, if anyone wants to live full time as a woman tomorrow, just do it. In Australia your choice of gender presentation is bound by law as how you wish to be referred to.

It makes no difference, HRT may make differences , GCS may make differences, but they are largely subtle mental and physically variable differences for a woman in your age group.

Seeing a psychiatrist or a gender therapist makes little difference to a committed person. There is no magic wand. If Elizabeth wants to live as a woman, that is what Elizabeth does.

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pyhxbp

Quote from: Cindy on January 06, 2016, 06:42:34 AM
It makes no difference, HRT may make differences , GCS may make differences, but they are largely subtle mental and physically variable differences for a woman in your age group.

I would agree with this. HRT is maybe 10% to 20% of the visible transition, although I have found a second boost from HRT after GRS. It seems that a further drop in my T is helping. The biggest change HRT made was in my head and on my chest


Quote from: Cindy on January 06, 2016, 06:42:34 AMSeeing a psychiatrist or a gender therapist makes little difference to a committed person. There is no magic wand. If Elizabeth wants to live as a woman, that is what Elizabeth does.

The vast bulk of my transition turned out to be presentation & voice. I lived RLE for a year before HRT and I was accepted by everyone because I learned to believe in myself. No one made me do that, it was my way of transitioning before the medical side of things got started.
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lostcharlie

Quote from: ElizabethK on January 05, 2016, 04:50:36 PM

I only dress partially at home due to being sensitive to my wifes need to take it slowly. I do understand that but it just makes things tougher for me. I would present now full time if I had the support, although I do have support but only to a certain extent...I don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities. God forbid I present as my correct gender and upset the poor souls. Feels a bit like everyone is so concerned about not having to see me dressed that any thought that I may be in some severe emotional pain is not even considered.

Elizabeth, I think it's time to quit worrying about everyone else and put you first for a change. Sounds like it's time to ask your wife if she wants to live with full-time Elizabeth or stand over dead guy dude stretched out in a pine box. Honestly it's as simple as that and yes the simple things are sometimes the hardest to do. By the way I totally agree with what Cindy said.
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Dena

First the auto save. There isn't a feature like that but you can use the save as draft button. If I am working on a long drawn out post that I don't want to lose, I do it in a text editor then cut and paste the results into Susan's. I lost a few post early on when the server was overload so I no longer do long post without a text editor.

The depression can get pretty bad at times and the system seems to move at a crawl. I don't know if you can talk to the doctors and get a letter at least for the blockers. That would buy you time until you can get hormones. Also, I don't know if it's possible for you but a private doctor paid for with your own money might be able to give you the letter.

I don't think my T levels were shut down and the Estrogen only gave me a temporary boost. Over time the Estrogen lost it's magic and what really helped was RLE. In RLE I gained enough comfort with myself that I was able hold out the 2 years before surgery and had it been needed, I could have been comfortable with myself even longer. You need blockers or RLE and if you can arrange it, both would be better. Estrogen can wait if you aren't able to get it without a delay.
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LizK

Quote from: Cindy on January 06, 2016, 06:42:34 AM
Elizabeth,
As you know I not only appreciate your frustration but I aso understand it from the practioners side - who are as equally if not more concerned about clients who get referrals and then want the immediate consult they need and deserve.

But sadly government funding is the issue. So complain like hell to your MP, local and Federal. It reinforces what we are doing.

Transition as much as you can without HRT. Go RLE if you can. But only if safe for you. Try the O'Brian St Center, try the clinical psychologists, they will shorten the wait once you are in. Their reports count to the clinic.

If you present to the clinic as a functional female with a report from the clinical psychologists saying you have no family or personal issues then the HRT waiting time is minimal.

To be honest transitioning is and has always been in our hands. The availability of hormones and surgery need clearance.

I'm not going to argue the ethics of that as it is futile under SOC 7. It is what it is.

If you want to live as a woman, if anyone wants to live full time as a woman tomorrow, just do it. In Australia your choice of gender presentation is bound by law as how you wish to be referred to.

It makes no difference, HRT may make differences , GCS may make differences, but they are largely subtle mental and physically variable differences for a woman in your age group.

Seeing a psychiatrist or a gender therapist makes little difference to a committed person. There is no magic wand. If Elizabeth wants to live as a woman, that is what Elizabeth does.

Thanks for that Cindy I do know what you mean and I do not for one minute believe the Psychiatrists I have appointments with are doing anything but their best under extremely difficult circumstances. I have seen the O'Brien street clinic last year in September and they refereed me to Dr Jennings whom I did not get any kind of response from until Monday when I rang for the 4th time. At which point they came back to explain they are not taking any further appointments for 2016 and will only book 2017. I know Dr Lyons is in the same boat.

As far as transition goes and HRT, GCS I think HRT could give me two benefits, Firstly from a psychological point of veiw I have read plenty saying many get relief (some) from their Dysphoria...and I could do with all the help I can get to appear as female as possible.  I need to be realistic about what HRT can and can't do forme. Anything it does to soften my hard male edges will be fine with me.

You are exactly right if I want to go fulltime then the only thing holding me back is me. When I spoke to my wife she is willing to drive me interstate if that is what it takes. We discussed briefly about me going full time and she was not adverse to that in light of my current mental health. She can see and sense in me the frustration and sense of despair. The woman from Dr Jennings office did try and put a positive spin on my situation saying they always get cancellations and I am on the list!

Thankyou for you reply and your concern. It is my wifes birthday today so will back off unless she brings the topic up and talk to her in more detail tomorrow about going fulltime.

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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LizK

Quote from: pyhxbp on January 06, 2016, 06:54:35 AM
I would agree with this. HRT is maybe 10% to 20% of the visible transition, although I have found a second boost from HRT after GRS. It seems that a further drop in my T is helping. The biggest change HRT made was in my head and on my chest


The vast bulk of my transition turned out to be presentation & voice. I lived RLE for a year before HRT and I was accepted by everyone because I learned to believe in myself. No one made me do that, it was my way of transitioning before the medical side of things got started.

Thankyou for you reply and I get what you are saying. I do not need HRT to transition...yes it will help along with a number of other things, Most of my desire for HRT is in the hope it helps with the Dysphoria and any positive physical changes are a bonus...I do not expect to pass...but that is not why I am transitioning. I don't need to see either the Psych or the Endo. I know what I need to do for my own sanity and while having these Dr's on board will make it easier I could get what I need from other sources, I have Psychiatric support from a Psychologist, I don't have any huge family issues or work issues. I am very boring when it comes to all that, Don't work, grown up supportive adult kids, Majority of family is oversea's, I am out to my immediate family and a few friends but have withheld on this for the benfit of my parents. I have drawn a line in the sand with them and told them in March I will be coming out publicly and if they want me to e-mail or speak to certain people they better let me know. So its not overly complicated...except for the amount of pressure this will in turn place on my loved ones. This is the stumbling block for me because in the scheme of things this is still fairly new to them all.

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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LizK

Quote from: Dena on January 06, 2016, 01:26:05 PM
First the auto save. There isn't a feature like that but you can use the save as draft button. If I am working on a long drawn out post that I don't want to lose, I do it in a text editor then cut and paste the results into Susan's. I lost a few post early on when the server was overload so I no longer do long post without a text editor.

The depression can get pretty bad at times and the system seems to move at a crawl. I don't know if you can talk to the doctors and get a letter at least for the blockers. That would buy you time until you can get hormones. Also, I don't know if it's possible for you but a private doctor paid for with your own money might be able to give you the letter.

I don't think my T levels were shut down and the Estrogen only gave me a temporary boost. Over time the Estrogen lost it's magic and what really helped was RLE. In RLE I gained enough comfort with myself that I was able hold out the 2 years before surgery and had it been needed, I could have been comfortable with myself even longer. You need blockers or RLE and if you can arrange it, both would be better. Estrogen can wait if you aren't able to get it without a delay.

Dena I think I am in a somewhat oddly fortunate position...I have an implanted medication pump that delivers medication at a constant rate directly into my ceribo spinal fluid and this acts directly on the brain without being filtered by the body like pills are. As a side effect of one of the meds I take in the pump is it drops your T levels.  Mine are on the way down...I can feel it...but it is a very slow process and takes a long time to be really noticeable. When it was low about 18months or so ago I did get some mental relief and it was great...but I got scared as I didn't know what other harm I was doing to myself or really what was causing the low T levels. I am going to see my Dr on Monday so will ask about the blockers. I agree for the sake of my mental health the Estrogen can wait but I don't know if I can

Thanks for your input I have plenty to think about...I still need to be careful

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Jacqueline

Elizabeth,

I am so sorry with your situation. I am also sorry I missed your post.

I feel like we have been on similar trajectories but you have been moving faster. This just sucks. I can't do anything but hope things get easier and better for you.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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LizK

Quote from: Joanna50 on January 06, 2016, 04:11:08 PM
Elizabeth,

I am so sorry with your situation. I am also sorry I missed your post.

I feel like we have been on similar trajectories but you have been moving faster. This just sucks. I can't do anything but hope things get easier and better for you.

With warmth,

Joanna

Thankyou Joanna

As part of coming out and dealing with my issues I have systematically torn down all the defenses I had built up against the Dysphoria. The ways in which I coped will no longer work so I feel basically defenseless against it. I had to admit though that the coping and defense mechanisms I had been using were not healthy and had to go...as a result I find it really difficult to get any kind of emotional relief.

I had though that "under dressing" and dressing at home would help but I am not entirely comfortable dressing at home in front of my wife. She tries soooo hard for me but she can't help it if she finds it difficult to deal with. She has been moving steadily into my court over the last 6 months and is my number 1 support. I don't want to put that progress at risk by pushing even harder. I know if I said to my wife I need to go full time she would gladly agree if she thought it would help me despite how uncomfortable she feels. I think the long term ramifications of that could be serious. However as things stands FTE may be the lesser of two evils.

Thank you

Elizabeth K
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Jacqueline

I had though that "under dressing" and dressing at home would help but I am not entirely comfortable dressing at home in front of my wife. She tries soooo hard for me but she can't help it if she finds it difficult to deal with. She has been moving steadily into my court over the last 6 months and is my number 1 support. I don't want to put that progress at risk by pushing even harder. I know if I said to my wife I need to go full time she would gladly agree if she thought it would help me despite how uncomfortable she feels.

It's like you just read my mind and history of the past 6-9 months. It is so similar. I love my wife and want to start dressing. However, we work at the same place. As the saying goes, the whole family transitions with you. She is trying really hard but I see her working at it. It makes me feel bad for her. I am relieved when she says she married the person, not the gender(despite the words in the vows?).

I guess hobbies, reading, listening to and playing music are what help me most. I found out months ago that my therapist was ready to write my letter for HRT. Got in touch with the Endo and they scheduled my appointment for 6-7 months. Wow, did that throw me into a tailspin. However, it is just waiting for me. I too am looking for some psychological relief from HRT...I feel too old to really hope for much more.

I am wishing and praying you can get in for your appointment much sooner.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Emileeeee

Quote from: ElizabethK on January 05, 2016, 04:50:36 PM
I don't need some bloody Psychiatrist to tell me what I already know, I have a diagnosis from another Psychiatrist of Gender Dysphoria but because he has not written the words "recommended for HRT" then I cannot get them prescribed.

Have you checked informed consent clinics? That's how I got on HRT. They just had me fill out a piece of paper and sign it saying I know the risks. No letter required.
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LizK

Quote from: Emileeeee on January 06, 2016, 09:29:44 PM
Have you checked informed consent clinics? That's how I got on HRT. They just had me fill out a piece of paper and sign it saying I know the risks. No letter required.

Thanks Emileee

Was this in Australia? Where abouts? If I could find someone then I would do it.

ElixabethK
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Emileeeee

Oh I didn't know where you were. I'm in the US. I don't know if that's a country-specific thing or not. It's still worth a search though I think.
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