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How do you thnk transition should be done.

Started by stephaniec, January 06, 2016, 09:22:00 PM

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How would you like to see transition.

totally done by informed consent both GCS and HRT . No therapy or RLE required.
21 (38.2%)
informed consent for HRT not GCS , some therapy , no RLE
10 (18.2%)
informed consent for HRT not GCS , some therapy, some RLE.
17 (30.9%)
no informed consent , judgement by psychiatrist. therapy and RLE.
1 (1.8%)
other please explain
6 (10.9%)

Total Members Voted: 55

stephaniec

 For myself and not others if they see things differently I would do therapy for a certain period because I personally need therapy for myself and it helps me. I do hormones by informed consent and I feel that's the way they should be done. GCS for myself personally I feel therapy has helped me see things that I need to be aware of to make a good decision on whether or not I should go through with it.  The RLE rule doesn't bother me in the least because I want to totally present as a woman , so the sooner the better. How do you think transition should  be done by the medical community.
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Roni

Personally, I wish therapy had bigger emphasis and weight on the process one needs to go through before being approved for HRT. It literally took me maybe three visits, before I was given the letter for HRT. It's a problem with the American medical system in general; it is suffering from a "business/for-profit" model right now. I paid for the three therapy visits and thus there was *very* little gatekeeping for me, if at all.

I have learned about myself tremendously over transition. Transition has proven extremely difficult for me and I was not mentally prepared for the drastic changes one will essentially go through. That being said, although I believe transition has been an overall positive thing for me in the long-run, it was and is a journey littered with hardships, ruins, and nights and moments of feeling like giving up.

I wish I was forced to legally spend just a little more time in the therapy stage of things---it would have probably made transition a lot easier for me.
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stephaniec

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in.Chains

I completely disagree with Roni on this. The fact that you got hormones so quickly, as did I (within 2 visits) is hardly the standard. Most trans people need to spend months and even years, and far more visits to the therapists and doctors before they are allowed to start HRT. Quite frankly the current WPATH standards need to be updated I think. In my mind, things go a bit like this, and every thing related to the medical transition should be covered via insurance, with perhaps a limit on number of visits to the therapist for example.

I think therapy is a great first step for most people, but for me personally it wasn't, and I wouldn't have it required. I believe the informed consent model is the most fair, and logical solution, although I think a more detailed explanation of what will happen may be required. Hormones should then be allowed after consent via an endocrinologist, with regular blood draws every 6 months to 1 year. Bottom surgery/orchiectomy should be covered sometime after the first year or so, and should require some real life experience.
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stephaniec

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Roni

Well then it probably points to a lack of a standard, golden rule on the length and leniency of therapy required. The fact that I was able to get on HRT so quickly while others can't just proves one thing: probably the need for a more consistent and standard approach to transition throughout the board in the medical community.

While some medical experts gatekeep transwomen far longer than required, only causing suffering and more pain for said women, some people fly by and for girls like me, are essentially left ill-prepared for the qualms of transition.

Conclusively, I guess just a more consistent way of going about transition. I no doubt would have loved to benefit from more legal therapy---definitely more than the three I was required---to be on the same level of preparedness that some women are given prior to transition.
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stephaniec

I was in therapy for a little  less than 7 months before the notion popped into my head to try it. I was in therapy trying to figure out why I was in so much mental pain then I ended up in the psych ward on suicide watch and had a talk with the overnight psychiatrist and realized that the problem was me wanting to be female.
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Roni

Quote from: in.Chains on January 06, 2016, 10:27:33 PM

I think therapy is a great first step for most people, but for me personally it wasn't, and I wouldn't have it required. I believe the informed consent model is the most fair, and logical solution, although I think a more detailed explanation of what will happen may be required. Hormones should then be allowed after consent via an endocrinologist, with regular blood draws every 6 months to 1 year. Bottom surgery/orchiectomy should be covered sometime after the first year or so, and should require some real life experience.

I agree with everything said here. Informed consent *is* the fairest. If certain women feel they are confident about their decision and do not need extensive therapy to become who they are, it is fair to let them proceed so long as they are informed and detailed about transition prior. It might have been the fault of my own therapist, or perhaps even me, maybe I said all the right things during therapy that made my therapist confident they didn't need to brief me of transition.. I just wish they were more hellbent in following the legal laws of having to provide information, because I didn't get much of it.
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stephaniec

That's one thing that really upsets me. I feel the lack of information prevented me from stating many years earlier. I've been to a lot of therapy for other reasons which probably ultimately could be attributed to dysphoria , but wasn't. I'm  probably mostly to blame because I was so afraid to let the secret out, but if the possibilities were offered to me I would of gone for it.
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diane 2606

Please return with me to 1988 (you'll probably wish you hadn't, but bear with me). I was in a new city and didn't know anyone other than those with whom I worked. One morning I was watching a local television show that had a physician (an M.D.) and his post-op patient. I called his office and made an appointment. When I got to his office, in boy-drag, we chatted for a moment or two, then he offered me a hormone prescription. Wha... Huh? All I was looking for was contact info for the support group, not life-changing pharmaceuticals. I told him I'd call back in a week, I needed to think about it. I did. He prescribed pills. I was off to the races.

I didn't begin therapy until I was about ready for RLE, almost six years (including a week in the hospital for blood clots caused by the pills). The doc prescribing the hormones was a G.P., not an endocrinologist. He neglected to inform me about the risks involved in taking first generation birth control pills. I didn't have much information, so my consent wasn't really informed, was it?

The psychologist I saw over the course of my transition was knowledgeable; she challenged me to think about things that would never have occurred to me until I was confronted by them, which I was. I survived because I was informed. My personal feeling is RLE is critical. If you haven't proven you can live day-in, day-out, in the gender you haven't previously lived a single day as for at least a solid year you're a candidate to become a statistic (and not in a good way). This comes with some caveats. If you don't need to earn a living, and there is no one depending on you for emotional or financial support, you can probably get by with a couple months.

In the end, it all worked out well for me. If I was designing a path to SRS I'd demand more time with a doctor who can explain the physiological risks and benefits of HRT, and the options (pills, injections, patches, implants, whatever). That's informed consent. I think an appropriately trained person, doesn't have to be a shrink, with whom someone contemplating SRS can get counseling from before RLE until past surgery would be the optimum. In the US, surgeons demand proof a candidate has been cleared by a therapist in order to prevent malpractice lawsuits; this isn't a bad idea.

The downside of everything I've written is that we're not all alike. MtF, or FtM, we all have similar stories, but each of us have different circumstances. Because we're dealing with medical procedures, we need medical people to provide us with the best medical information available, so we can make an informed consent. RLE is information gathering critical to that consent.

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stephaniec

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Roni

Quote from: stephaniec on January 06, 2016, 11:12:22 PM
That's one thing that really upsets me. I feel the lack of information prevented me from stating many years earlier. I've been to a lot of therapy for other reasons which probably ultimately could be attributed to dysphoria , but wasn't. I'm  probably mostly to blame because I was so afraid to let the secret out, but if the possibilities were offered to me I would of gone for it.

That is my wish also: to have started younger, my ultimate wish being before puberty. I don't know if this is simply a case of never being happy with what I have around me or have achieved, but I always secretly wish that if I were to deal with being a trans woman all my life, I at least wish I had started transition a lot younger.... so I never developed certain masculine traits I have that HRT or surgery will never fix.

If we think about it though, mass information surrounding gender dysphoria has really only taken flight in the last decade or so, in both the medical community and general society. Maybe we have to accept that the possibility to have started sooner is simply impossible for the majority of us currently, but will thankfully be obtainable for new generations of people. I just think as the medical community and society continues to advance on the topic of gender dysphoria, how BEAUTIFUL it is going to be for trans kids of the future.

So I feel you on wishing to have started sooner, Stephanie. But I have accepted starting transition at the age of 21 was incredibly adventurous of me. I transitioned young, something a lot of transitioners cannot currently say, so I am on my way to being completely content with the stage I started transition. You're ever so lucky you've transitioned into a BEAUTIFUL, charming looking lady yourself!
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stephaniec

thank you , My therapist told me I can't change the past, but I can make the most out of now and the future.
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Deborah

I also had three therapy visits over a five week period before I got my HRT letter.  However, in my case I thought that was enough.  At that point I was feeling desperate and if things had not been moving fairly quickly I likely would have restarted it anyway by mail order DIY.  Maybe some people do need more therapy at first and others do not.  At my first appointment I told my therapist that by my estimation I had already spent more than 12,000 hours thinking and reading on this subject over the course of many years.  Anyway, I was satisfied at that time that we had fully explored my particular issues which were primarily just determining to my satisfaction that I wasn't insane or something else along those lines.


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Swayallday

Six months later no step further
probably another 6-18 months before I see hormones

Informed consent, if only...

;_;
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stephaniec

Quote from: Swayallday on January 07, 2016, 01:16:56 AM
Six months later no step further
probably another 6-18 months before I see hormones

Informed consent, if only...

;_;
as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.
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in.Chains

What I suggested was in my mind, the optimum general path. And it does follow the worldwide standard for trans health care, which is known as WPATH for those that don't know. I've read through it, and for the most part it's sound. I don't agree with RLE prior to hormones because many people couldn't pass anyway, and it's not right. That said, the average person should seek therapy before doing anything.

I chose informed consent, but I'm highly intelligent, educated, and have experienced dysphoria since I was a child. I see plenty of people who appear far more confused without much in the way of a brain proclaiming they're trans, and without dysphoria, and I just can't agree with handing them some hormones right away, which is why it's difficult to create a standard for everyone.
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stephaniec

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Swayallday

Quote from: stephaniec on January 07, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

ayy some time does wonders

but not when you keep growing in a direction you dont want
especially when some features get more accentuated at this age
is just sad

plus i'll have to spam these forums for so long XD  ;D
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Kayla88

I think informed consent for HRT. GRS should have to have some some therapy and RLE because it has the largest risks associated with it, also the person wanting surgery would have to be 10000% sure that they want such a life changing operation.

I would love to get surgery tomorrow, but I understand why RLE is necessary for it, its not something you want to regret. I do think that how much RLE someone has would vary surgery which is also why I think therapy would be required as to track how they coping with it.





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