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Started by kalt, October 03, 2007, 02:00:49 PM

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ketti

Haha, i like the veil idea, i should try it. :)

Even though im not really physicaly active, i don't think i have to worry. I don't have a car, so i walk a lot when i need to get to places. Also, my mom just got a little baby two weeks ago, and i found out that carrying around a baby is some pretty heavy exercise! My arms feel like jelly afterwards. o___o
Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
Granny.
-runs and hides-
Well, you'll be a granny soon enough too ^^
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kalt

Quote from: ketti on October 05, 2007, 05:20:19 PM
Well, you'll be a granny soon enough too ^^
No you didn't.
You're SO in for it.
Just you wait.
-glares-

Granny my butt, I am the essence of youthful exhuberation and I am here to youngafy you. Beware.
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kalt

Quote from: Kiera on October 05, 2007, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: kalt on October 03, 2007, 02:00:49 PMTo you older folks, I know you've had hard time and I'm not making light of it.  In fact, so many of you are quite an inspiration on here.  If you want to, why don't we start a forum adoption?:-p  What I mean by that is, an older, more experienced one takes one of us 'fresher' ones under his/her wing.
Hey Kalt, thanks for the vote of confidence but I have two kids already and cannot really afford the time or money to adopt any more! LOL If this forum had been here 25 years ago I cannot honestly say what I would have decided or done with an entire life of experiences still ahead of me but I do know that when you are young there is always going to be time, there is certainly no rush to jump into things and as my life now unravels even this late in the game I certainly do not have any real regrets.

I suppose I have always been a very natural progression, mainstream kinda girl which means what . . .

Like a vintage wine surely I must be slow as 'ell? ;)

Love,  :icon_bunch:
No love for you-_-
Cuz you won't e-adopt anyone-_-
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kalt

Quote from: Kiera on October 05, 2007, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 05:57:27 PMNo love for you-_-
Cuz you won't e-adopt anyone-_-
LOL! Ok, alright already! Tell ya what, get your homework & tub done first and then we'll talk about it!

:icon_bunch:
Double standards aren't good for children:-(

Saying you'll luffles us only if we do homework is a sure recipe for us kids to go out and start cybering anyone and playing games and otherwise becoming regualr internet rebels.
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Sandy

Quote from: Kat on October 04, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
Young'n Kat here (18).  You can find most of my story in my blog on here (I'm not murdering people in their sleep).  Things worked at amazing for me. Parents are cool, friends were awesome, school changed things over without much hassle.  My high school even made a new diploma for me and changed my gender in the records along with the new name.

I've been full time since May, and I went on hormones in June I think... or July, I always mix those two up for some reason. 

Went from an antisocial quiet type to a hyper outgoing personality over a summer  :P  Have had a couple guys try to go out with me and I started dating some, but I don't think I'm ready for a real relationship, so I might break it off with the guy I'm currently dating.  :-\

Things have improved for me by far since going full time.  Although every now and them I am somewhat painfully reminded of my past for whatever reason.

Kat:

I read you blog.  Damn you have it together, girl!  I was going to offer to be your mentor, but after I read you blog and saw your pictures, I'm wondering if you'll be MINE!

I've been in the computer industry for over twenty five years, so hearing what you're getting into at Purdue is absolutely fabulous!  I'm really jealous that you are on the robotics team!  I would have loved to have that experience when I was younger, or even now!

And to start networking with the Woman's network is really cool.

And it sounds like your parents are really supportive.  You have no idea how happy that makes me!  Having the support and love of your family is the key to a good transition.

Like I said you really have it together!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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greg-unknown

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Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.


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kalt

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Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg.  Wow.
Yikes.
It says you're female.
Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?


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MichelleA

Says "he's" male now. So I guess I'm not the youngest! *grins evilly at Greg, Just kidding~* I'm in those awkward happy goofy moods, so it might be better to ignore me. AS for Kat, you're 18 and you look amazing, wish my parents would of been that supportive for me when I first came out to them, but they're coming around so .. it's all alright.

Michelle
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greg-unknown

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Quote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.
Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?

Greg is what my name would've been if I had been born male. I can't think of anything I like better at the moment.

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Wing Walker

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I doubt that the notion of adopting someone to mentor or to make a protege will be nearly as effective as tossing questions out in this For The Youth thread and looking at the collective answers.  No one knows everything about all things and everyone has a piece of the puzzle for someone learning about their true selves and their new lives.

Kalt, you are a real pistolero, a lightning rod, someone who won't take "No!" for an answer unless it's the answer that *you* want to hear.  There are some people who have a reason for why every piece of advice and suggestion will not work and you aren't one of them.  Your suggestions to others in this thread make sense and at least deserve a serious look.

I believe that you might do well taking-on the mantle of "thread leader."

As for me, I will be here to help you and anyone else in the Youth thread.  Anyone can ask me whatever they will and I will answer as best I can, and if I don't know, I won't waste anyone's time with useless twaddle.

I am blessed in that at my age (I'm 56) I have seen some things through the eyes of both genders.

Having said that, I hope to hear from anyone who wants to chat with me, either in this thread or by personal e-mail.

Thanks for the ideas, Kalt.  You throw down a good challenge.

Wing Walker
Resident Resident

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 02:19:48 AM
QuoteQuote from: kalt on October 05, 2007, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: greg-unknown on October 05, 2007, 07:00:48 PM
Oh man, I am definatly the youngest here. Greg. Wow.
Is, "Greg," your name of choice, or your birth name?

Greg is what my name would've been if I had been born male. I can't think of anything I like better at the moment.

Hello, Greg,

If you wish, you can talk with me.  It's been a long time since I was a teenager who was born *male* and wished so much that I had not.  I have a pretty good memory of my teen years and they seem to be the exact inverse of yours.  I don't work miracles but i am a good, patient listener

You can use whatever name you wish.  You know that you are free to change it later.

I am here for you and anyone else.

Wing Walker


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cindybc

Hi Kalt, and thank you, <flicking long eyelashes, smiles and blushes at Kalt>.

QuoteMuch of my life is in my blog, Sandy's Transition.  Growing up I always knew something was wrong.  Really wrong.  Like having your shoes on the wrong feet, but all over.

I didn't have feelings at that time, about 8 years old, that I had the wrong gender, but I never felt comfortable in my skin.

As I grew older I read about transsexuals like Christine Jorgensen and was fascinated.  I could not get them out of my mind.  I kept wondering what it would be like to become a woman, to live as a female.

I felt I never could, though.  All the stories I read always showed the transsexual giving up everything in their life, being stripped of their livelihood and having to become strippers or whores in order to live.

For most of my life, I felt I was just a crossdresser.  But I never really got a sexual thrill about dressing up.  Early on there was an erotic thrill of doing something naughty, but after a bit I would just feel "normal".

I could never speak of this to anyone.  I thought I was some sort of pervert.  My parents were uneducated and had very straight beliefs about sexuality.  In other words anything that wasn't strictly heterosexual was queer and wrong, and sinful.

I could not speak of my feelings to my friends since they were very heterosexual and felt perverts who dressed up in womans clothing were ->-bleeped-<-ots.

Because of this I internalized my feelings.  I learned how to act like a man.  It was a difficult learning process for me.  In school, I would be ostracized because I had natural feminine mannerism and I had to actively learn to suppress them.  I had to think about every gesture I made, every word I spoke so that it wasn't "queer".

I was called queer quite a bit.  I could never figure out why.  I liked girls, I still do.  I never had many friends as a result.

As I grew older I kept my true feelings hidden from everyone.  Including myself.  I never admitted to myself that I was a transsexual.  I called myself a crossdresser.  I felt it was just a hobby.  A bit outrageous but nothing to worry about.  I could never come out to myself.  All the nightmare stories of transsexuals that had lost everything haunted me.  I was not a transsexual, no way!

Because of this dichotomy between my feelings and my beliefs, I suffered from very severe depressive moods.  I would have these feelings of normalcy when I felt feminine or if I called myself a girl.  But then I would hate myself for those feelings because they weren't "manly".  I never knew what being manly was all about, but I knew I was wrong to have those feelings of femininity.  This would lead me down the rabbit hole of depression.

As a result of this I never appreciated anything I would do.  I loathed myself and so anything I did was worthless.  I never had any pride in myself or any self esteem.  Sure, I could look and act happy, but that was all a mask.  A character I created to deal with the world that acted the way society expected him to act.

As a result, I actually did become an actor on stage.  I was very effective at it on stage.  I knew how to act because I had  been doing it all of my life.  It was fun in one respect, it took all my powers of concentration to act, remember the lines, move on stage.  During those times I had to forget who I was on the inside, I had no time to think about anything except my character on stage.  Also my fellow actors were fun to be with and very witty and smart.  A joy to be around.  They never knew that I never came off stage.  I just exchanged one character for another.

I kept this facade up through two marriages.  I did tell my wives about my little hobby.  I never kept those kind of secrets from them.  But I told them the same lie I was telling myself.  I was just a crossdresser.  I never wanted to take it any farther than that.  Just an outrageous, occasional hobby.

During the intervening decades, my depressive cycles came more frequently and became deeper and more bleak.  Eventually my thoughts of suicide became very realistic and I eventually started playing suicide games with myself.  I would attempt suicide but then stop.  Then call myself a coward because I didn't have the courage to actually kill myself.

At my second wifes encouragement (now my stbew) I was asked to seek therapy.  I said I would also seek therapy for my gender problems.  My wife just wanted to not come home and find me hanging in the cellar.  I agreed.

Therapy for my depression went hand in hand with my feelings of gender identity.  It brought in focus for me what my real problems were.  I still couldn't admit that I was a transsexual though.

Then something earth shattering happened to me.  Probably like many of you, I had taken many of those online gender identity tests.  I discounted all of them though because to me, there was always an obvious transsexual answer to the question.  So I felt these tests were biased.  It didn't matter that I could never get any of these tests to even score me even marginally masculine.

Then I found one test that was heuristic in nature.  Basically it had no pre-conceived idea of who was male or who was female.  I had random questions like "If you ship a package overseas would you use a plane or a ship?".  At the end of the quiz it would make a prediction of gender.  The person being tested would then respond whether or not the prediction was true.  Over a period of time, the test became a fairly accurate predictor of gender.

I took the test several times and was always read as female.  I sat back after that and said to myself: "But what if you *are* a transsexual?"

At that moment the world changed.  Never before had any answer felt so right.  All of a sudden the world became a place of beauty and color.  I finally came out to myself.  I came out of denial.  For the first time in my life I finally knew who I was.  I was a woman.

From there the therapy became much easier, and following that was HRT then FFS and transition to 24/7.  The dissolution of my marriage also occurred.  Very few relationships can survive a gender transition.  Most spouses never expected to become homosexual to the person they married.  Most women married men and had no intension of becoming a lesbian when her "man" becomes a woman.  I can understand that completely.  In a very great respect I lied to my wife and myself.  The marriage was founded on a lie that I maintained.  When I stopped living the lie, the marriage collapsed.  In that respect I feel I was a heel, a cheat.  I was not honest to myself or my wife.  And that devastated her.  If I have any real regrets about transitioning, it was that.  I am sorry for that.  And if there was a way to make that better I would do that.  No one deserves to be treated like that.

To you youngers here, I hope your transition is easier.  There is the great equalizer that I never had growing up, the Internet.  If I had someone to talk to when I was younger, online or in person, I may never have had those feelings of guilt and self loathing.  I may have changed much earlier.  Though in the end I really appreciate where I am right now and if I had done it earlier in my life I may have not really appreciated it.  I certainly would not have had two wonderful daughters and a granddaughter who love me unconditionally and accept me completely.

If someone want me for their mentor drop me a line.  I don't know about being a mommy though.  My kittens are quite a handful and take all the mommying I can give them.

That, in a nutshell, is who I am.

Who are you?

-Sandy (I talk a lot too)

I can reflect on many of your experiences you have shared with us here. Except for the ex stuff which I would rather not repeat unless it is necessary to do so.

Anyway, my way of coping was with my playing out fantasy from my desires to be a lady, I play acted it in the privacy of my home. One of my favorites was going out to a fancy dress ball with this elderly gentleman, debonair, handsome.   

I was sitting at a candle lit table, sipping on the exquisite champagne, *non alcoholic bubblies* Or I would dress up as a lady desert warrior, traveling across the dunes in *an old abandoned sandpit* in the woods behind where the apartment building I lived in, on top of the hill. 

Or I might stroll down to the beach where I would dance in the sand with reckless abandon, like some crazy teenage kid. The magic of the night air and the full silver moon above me just made it feel like the atmosphere around me was electrically charged with magic.

There was something about the night air that just simply made every thing feel magical. Alone? Nah, never. I might have been living alone but I had many imaginary friends. Can you imagine that? 55 years old playing imaginary games?

This was the beginning for me into transitioning to folks out there. Taking many trips out of town in the proper dress code for a lady. I would sojourn around other towns where they didn't know me, actually enjoying the attention I got from some folks. Well secretly between us I always wanted to get a picture of me in The National Enquirer. Then the time I went to a very large beach with thousands of people and picking out my spot on the beach, lying on the warm sand wearing a ladies' bathing suit and sun glasses. What did I think the sunglasses would hide?Goodness knows, maybe mentally it made me feel like I was hiding behind those dumb glasses.

From there on it was like my real life was coming out of the fantasy state and materialising  into the real world. Dang it, I don't know. Looking back to me it was just so much like a fantasy story coming true. My transitioning to me appeared to be as easy as falling off a log after that.

As a side benefit to all of my past imaginings, I recently found a friend who does elaborately costumed acting for recreation, fantasies and gaming.  I'm anxious to see if I can still do it as well as I had before.   

I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning.  
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Sandy

Quote from: cindybc on October 07, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning.  

Cindy:

This list is supposed to be for the youth, so I won't hijack it by talking about my transition.  It is well documented in my blog "Sandy's Transition".  I was trying to relate what my experiences were growing up as a transsexual.  My transition was very pleasant also.

But it was great reading about your experience!  Thanks you.  I too had a very active imagination.  I think most people like us do.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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kalt

Quote from: Wing Walker on October 07, 2007, 02:32:27 AM
No one knows everything about all things and everyone has a piece of the puzzle for someone learning about their true selves and their new lives.
It's the comfort of developing a personal relationship with an elderly individual who's been through much the same as you have or intend to that I want to be sought.  Not just every youth person to have a biological search engine for all matters trans related.

Posted on: October 07, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: cindybc on October 07, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
Hi Kalt, and thank you, <flicking long eyelashes, smiles and blushes at Kalt>.
MOMMY!!!
-pounces-

QuoteI
Anyway, my way of coping was with my playing out fantasy from my desires to be a lady, I play acted it in the privacy of my home. One of my favorites was going out to a fancy dress ball with this elderly gentleman, debonair, handsome.   
Why not a young gentlemen?
Jeez.
Atleast put your imagination to good use>.>

Quote
There was something about the night air that just simply made every thing feel magical. Alone? Nah, never. I might have been living alone but I had many imaginary friends. Can you imagine that? 55 years old playing imaginary games?
I'll have you know young lady, I still play games too.
I pretend I'm a hawt jedi knight with unlimited sex appeal from my amazing beyonce figure slaying droids, using a pcp pipe for my lightsaber:-)  It's good for the torso.

QuoteThis was the beginning for me into transitioning to folks out there. Taking many trips out of town in the proper dress code for a lady. I would sojourn around other towns where they didn't know me, actually enjoying the attention I got from some folks. Well secretly between us I always wanted to get a picture of me in The National Enquirer. Then the time I went to a very large beach with thousands of people and picking out my spot on the beach, lying on the warm sand wearing a ladies' bathing suit and sun glasses. What did I think the sunglasses would hide?Goodness knows, maybe mentally it made me feel like I was hiding behind those dumb glasses.
I know watcha mean.
I went out crossdress for halloween once, like a real slut I guess, gawd I put glowsticks in my panties>.>
I thought I was SOOO passable.
Only now do I realize how obvious I must've been :-\

QuoteFrom there on it was like my real life was coming out of the fantasy state and materialising  into the real world.
That's always a horrible thing.  Except when it's a good thing.

Good luck in broad way:-)
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cindybc

Again thanks Kalt.

I hope no one is thinking I'm trying to steal the scene here. I just thought that telling about my fantasies may even be of help to the other younguns here. I got lots of practice tellin stories, as you probably have already found out Kalt hun, as I believe you must have read one of them by now. I had 11 children go under my roof through the years. I am a child, kitty cats and, dogie, lover to. Actually I am a nature lover (period).

Taking the kids out for a walk into the woods behind the house and playing pretend was the norm of the day back then. I should have went for the theater when I was younger, I suppose, but then I was already engaged in the very noble job of raising kids back then.

I don't have a blog and neither do I find I have a need for one. Goodness knows probably everyone in the US and Canada have heard of me on the Yahoo Groups.

Cindy
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Wing Walker

QuoteQuote from: cindybc on Today at 03:33:07 AM
I just though it would be kind of a nice change in composing a positive experience while transitioning. 

Cindy:

This list is supposed to be for the youth, so I won't hijack it by talking about my transition.  It is well documented in my blog "Sandy's Transition".  I was trying to relate what my experiences were growing up as a transsexual.  My transition was very pleasant also.

But it was great reading about your experience!  Thanks you.  I too had a very active imagination.  I think most people like us do.

-Sandy

I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking. 

Just wondering,

Wing Walker ???
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cindybc

Hi Kalt hun

QuoteI'll have you know young lady, I still play games too.
I pretend I'm a hawt jedi knight with unlimited sex appeal from my amazing beyonce figure slaying droids, using a pcp pipe for my lightsaber:-)  It's good for the torso.

Well maybe the hawt Jedi Knight can join forces sometimes with the Dun's of Mars Warrior Princes. Another story I been working on.

And we mustn't forget the be-speckled genius Aunt Dee's time travel experiences.
  ;D

Cindy 
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kalt

Quote from: Wing Walker on October 07, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking. 

Just wondering,

Wing Walker ???

Stop hi-jacking my thread, Wing Walker-_-

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Wing Walker

QuoteQuote from: Wing Walker on Today at 05:18:31 PM
I don't detect any hijacking here yet.  It seems to me that no one else on the thread saw this as a thread hijacking.

Just wondering,

Wing Walker

Stop hi-jacking my thread, Wing Walker-_-

Cool

Hi, Kalt, All,

This is gonna be a fun, useful thread.  I'm down for this one.  I will help in any way that I can, and if I can't, I won't waste anyone's time.

Wing Walker


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Kat

Quote from: redfish on October 07, 2007, 06:52:32 PM
I am the Pariah, the Ghost. I am she who follows her own path..

And you evolve into Gyrados!

I have nothing else meaningful to add to this thread at this time, as my laptop batteries are about to die and my power supply is back at Purdue  :P
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kalt

Quote from: Kat on October 07, 2007, 08:20:46 PM
I have nothing else meaningful to add to this thread at this time, as my laptop batteries are about to die and my power supply is back at Purdue  :P
-sigh-
The cherished love of Kat is so monetary.
Whoever thought love was priced by batteries?
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