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I'm scared of being hurt?

Started by XxCosmicEvan, January 26, 2016, 01:57:48 PM

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XxCosmicEvan

Iv'e always been scared of getting beat up but ever sense i figured out i'm transgender and want to use male pronouns iv'e realized how society tends to see men and i'm really scared any mistake will get me hurt or beat up.
Simply because i'm trying to live a male life and someday i'll be seen as male completely, has this fear happened to others and become something you've realized and had to overcome? Because it's been bothering me lately.
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Devlyn

Young dudes fight all the time, I have the scars to prove it. You may get in a few scraps, that behaviour fades as you and your circle of acquaintances mature. You have to grab life even if it hurts. Like they say, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

Hugs, Devlyn
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Deborah

Unless you hang out with gangs or in a biker bar, men do not generally go around looking for reasons to attack each other.  Most of the time they make efforts to avoid that.


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Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

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XxCosmicEvan

No not like that i mean the stereotypes behind men
it's like what if i look at someone wrong?
Or what if i walk into a situation and because of the way i was raised (female) even though i'm not
i have actions that to society seems feminine what if that shows?
it's that sort of thing how other's take me in the world, sure i  need to grab on and take the ride but it's also a tarrying thing thing for me to think of how other's are seeing me and how i'm going to make it in a world filled with stereotypes of what men do and don't do.
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RobynD

In my experience there is very little fighting among guys in school or otherwise. Adding alcohol into any situation is the once exception to this - so if you focus your socializing elsewhere, the danger of a fight is very low.


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XxCosmicEvan

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 26, 2016, 02:03:48 PM
Young dudes fight all the time, I have the scars to prove it. You may get in a few scraps, that behaviour fades as you and your circle of acquaintances mature. You have to grab life even if it hurts. Like they say, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

Hugs, Devlyn

I don't like to look at myself as a fighter and i don't plan to ever get into a fight
but the actions of other's i'm scared may someday be to close to me to the point where i'll have to defend myself
maybe i think that because so many people in my area throw punches before thinking.
I'm just not that person i see myself as weaker and kind more then i do anything else, and in fact i'm more mature then my own group of friends i hang around i just never fit in to society one way or another and this makes it harder.
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Devlyn

Quote from: XxCosmicEvan on January 26, 2016, 02:12:35 PM
No not like that i mean the stereotypes behind men
it's like what if i look at someone wrong?
Or what if i walk into a situation and because of the way i was raised (female) even though i'm not
i have actions that to society seems feminine what if that shows?
it's that sort of thing how other's take me in the world, sure i  need to grab on and take the ride but it's also a tarrying thing thing for me to think of how other's are seeing me and how i'm going to make it in a world filled with stereotypes of what men do and don't do.

Only a person filled with hostility would entertain thoughts of "You looked at me wrong"

As far as showing signs of femininity, well lots of guys are like that. They get by in the world just fine.

You can't base your life on other people being satisfied with you. You just can't.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Deborah

Everyone should take some self defense training anyway and learn to be mentally prepared to use it.  I think one of the best things I ever did was take a boxing class in college (not that I had a choice, it was required, LOL). But once you get punched in the face a few times you learn that while it hurts, it's nothing to be irrationally afraid of.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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XxCosmicEvan

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 26, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Only a person filled with hostility would entertain thoughts of "You looked at me wrong"

As far as showing signs of femininity, well lots of guys are like that. They get by in the world just fine.

You can't base your life on other people being satisfied with you. You just can't.

Hugs, Devlyn

Thank you devlyn, you're completely right.
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Rp1713

I was born male and have never truly been in a fight. If you're not a fighter and not confrontational it is surely possible to go through life as a man without having to physically fight your way through it. That being said, if it concerns you that much it might not be a bad idea to invest in some martial arts training to learn how to defend yourself and get some peace of mind. Just a thought!


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Hope springs

There are some guys just looking to fight. If they dont have an excuse they will simply make crap up and try to start a fight. Rarely, if ever, do random words and thoughts start a dude fight. You (as a dude) learn to spot these idiots. They have an amped up, crazy look in their eyes. They are constantly looking around ( probably looking how they can start the fight) and are usually drunk and loud. If you see this combo just leave the area. Most guys understand if they are in a fight, there will be pain. Therefore, try to avoid them. In short, unless your in a room full of drunk young guys you probably wont get in a fight.
 
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Tristyn

I get like that too. Most guys I see outside look angry to me. So I only look at 'em for a moment to check my surroundings. But no longer than that. Or else I start to worry that I am looking at them wrong or something. I don't know if this is social anxiety, gender dysphoria, paranoia or all of them combined, but it is insanely uncomfortable.

I'm even more frightened around certain males depending on their race. Its not that I choose it. I really can't help it...
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Kylo

You may well have to defend yourself. Even perceived as female I've had to defend myself physically and had gangs of teens after me at one point. Just don't go looking for a fight or wearing the body language that you're up for one if you're not. Study how men act if you feel unsure, observe other men and practice. And of course stay out of rough places.

Many boys get into fights and learn not to fear it so much. Many don't ever get into fights and do just fine.

I'm one of those people who find one (or both) of two things without ever looking for them - trouble, or isolation. But I'm doing ok. I developed a good nose for trouble and avoiding it. I've got outta some scrapes in my time without the need to fight, but sometimes with the need to climb fences, bluff, call a bluff, lie or sneak off. It's all good if it avoids a fight you don't want.

In survival terms, big men can afford to be macho as their chances of winning any fight either by strength or intimidation is greater. Those not so big, are wiser to be wiser and find other ways around the problem. 
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Tamika Olivia

Actively transitioning to your preferred gender, or failing to live up to the gendered expectations of the sex you're assigned at birth, does increase your chance of facing some sort of violence or injury.

So does driving a car...

Life is about risk, reward, and the balancing of the two. Is the life that you want to live, living the truth of the person you are, outweigh the risks of physical violence, hate, prejudice, and discrimination? Each person has to answer that question for themselves.

One thing... the closet is not safety. It may protect you from the world, but it locks you up with a version of yourself that can be dangerous to your emotional and physical well being.
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Tamika Olivia

...and it occurs to me that maybe your worry isn't specifically about being trans, but about being male. If you're worried that males are socialized towards violence, and that this violence will rain down on you as you transition... take a deep breath. Violence between men is mostly a two way street, and unless you get jumped in an alley you don't have to participate. You've got some good tips about behaviors to avoid. And most men aren't violent in my experience. Most men, like most women, just want to live their lives and go home.
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Kylo

It's a legitimate concern, but as most people have said in the thread, risk is everywhere for everyone.

I find myself comforted when I think of the same thing - that becoming male will mean people will want to smash my face in more? Well, my life as a female was probably worse, given that I think I attracted bad attention even then because people could sense there was something "off" about me. I got the bad attention women get - i.e. sexual harassment more than actual violence, AND I got a weird kind of violent victimization for apparently not giving out enough of a female vibe. Thinking back, I didn't experience many of the perks women do to the extent they do - few people were willing to 'protect me' or help me out, and they treated me much as they treated other men: "go get yourself out of X situation, don't ask me for help".

So when I think about the risk - all I really have to do is tread a little more carefully among other men.

My ex bf was an extremely tall/strong guy and he'd been in a few fights. He didn't seem to have any fear of it at all, but then he was physically intimidating, he had experience of winning fights, and I could see just in his daily interactions with people (we both worked in a nightclub, that's how we met) that people would size him up and decide it was better to be his friend than get on his bad side. He wasn't a violent person at all, and actually really good at talking to people and making friends, but just his physicality had people thinking he might be some kind of violent jerk. At the same time being a big guy and working in that kind of environment, sometimes drunk people would pick fights with him. How you go through life as a male can depend on what you look like of course.

My current SO is the same size as me, so he negotiates the same situations differently. People are not threatened by his physique, so he actually attracts less potential aggression than my ex did. He's never been in a fight situation with somebody since childhood, and manages to deflect potential trouble just by appearing more friendly and keeping himself to himself. Although it's not foolproof, being a smaller male can work somewhat like being a female in a testosterone-fuelled environment - it isn't going to elevate anyone's 'manliness' to beat up on a much smaller guy... unless as that smaller guy you do a lot of things to invite some kind of ass-kicking.

I know quite a few smaller guys - non trans guys that is - that have never been in harm's way. Those that have tell me these situations nearly always arose among drunk (or high) males. So I guess avoid those situations and people and just present yourself as a decent guy - and there'll probably be no excuse for people to start on you.       

"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Asche

I'm 62, and the only times I've ever been in physical fights was when I was a kid, and even then they were more upsetting than damaging.  (One or two kid-strength punches.)  I wasn't mentally capable of sustaining my side in a fight, and 90% of the time, your opponent won't continue unless you do.  (I'm excluding my older brother's bullying of me.)

One important factor: I'm white and middle-class.  In the USA, being black or hispanic increases the chances you will be the victim of random violence.  Also, poor people tend to be stuck in neighborhoods that have higher rates of random violence.  But I'm not sure that being female instead of male makes all that much difference in those situations.
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Kylo

Quote from: Asche on January 27, 2016, 09:40:44 AMBut I'm not sure that being female instead of male makes all that much difference in those situations.

Domestic violence situations excluded, I think it does. In general, I don't know any females personally who've been the unwilling participants of a bar fight or street brawl. Having met a lot of people in the club circuit I've seen quite a few of those involving dudes. The only incident I heard of where a woman was being beat up by a drunk man in the street was a story my ex told me, in which he saw this happening and stepped in to help her (and accidentally fell on his ass while doing so because he also was drunk. But apparently he "saved" her anyway). Maybe he'd have stepped in to help a random dude being beat up, I dunno; but you know... there's that pervasive idea women are weaker and harmless so one should step in and protect them immediately if you see someone beating the crap out of them. Not saying that's necessarily true but a lot of people believe it is; and that beating a woman up is somehow way more despicable than beating up a man. (I mean, beating up anybody or anything without a good reason is despicable.) I'm sure it happens out there plenty to women, but I'm also sure it happens at least twice as plenty to men because of this idea that beating women is bad but men beating men is ok. They pretty much prove it in that documentary where they stage a domestic with actors in public - man yelling aggressively and threateningly at woman 'partner'? Members of the public look concerned, people begin to step in. Woman yelling aggressively and threateningly at her male 'partner' and lays hands on, pushing him against a railing? People laugh.

I've been in situations where there's been an incident or some kind of danger, and any guys present were pretty much expected to go sort it out while the females in the room waited. In my own home and with my own family, the two out of four of us who would always get up with bats in hand to investigate someone breaking in during the middle of the night were myself and my dad (we did live in a poor area in a city with a bad reputation so ...yeah, you're certainly right about the random violence and crime in such places. We got broken into probably an average of 2-3 times a year for 10 years). My mother and my sister didn't want to get in harm's way. Me, I wanted to get those [insert whatever colorful expletive you want] breaking into our house, no way could I stand waiting around upstairs listening to whatever was going on downstairs. I've seen dozens of movies where if there's something creepy or scary going on the women immediately jump behind a male who's supposed to defend her, or at least get eaten by the monster or shot by the burglar first. At first I thought this was pretty cliche and unrealistic... till I noticed it happening a lot in real life too. If you're expected to be upfront there's a fair possibility of being more hurt more often than a woman who isn't. As my mom said: "go see what that noise was. I'm staying here."

Of course my personal experience is a small window of the world and I'm not saying mine are the b-all. But I think in general people's stories and experiences I know of, or have read of on the wider net, reflect that if you're woman you're more likely to be sexually harassed or sexually attacked... but less likely to be totally beaten up or killed (again exclusive of the domestic violence thing. After all, you're statistically far more likely to be killed by someone you know than someone you don't... which is pretty damn awful too). The girls I knew in school had their own form of bullying each other but those girls were rarely if ever picked on violently by boys. Some of the men in my family have very violent wives but they won't ever hit back, even when in my opinion those wives are downright dangerous in their moments and need to be stopped. There's some kind of unwritten rule among humans that you don't treat women as violently as men or you're just a class-A dirtbag, even if the woman is potentially freaking deadly violent herself. The rule doesn't stop every incident against females but it does seem to stop quite a lot of it, even when it passes into the realm of irrationality/absurdity.

Biologically I think human society just cares more about women's safety than men's. On the whole women care more about women's safety, and men care more about women's safety... than men's. Men are expendable, women aren't, etc. I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon - it's biologically driven I guess.
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Asche

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on January 27, 2016, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: Asche on January 27, 2016, 09:40:44 AM
But I'm not sure that being female instead of male makes all that much difference in those situations.
Domestic violence situations excluded, I think it does. In general, I don't know any females personally who've been the unwilling participants of a bar fight or street brawl. Having met a lot of people in the club circuit I've seen quite a few of those involving dudes.
The situations I was thinking of were ones in which people routinely face random violence.  I'm not think of bars or brawls.  I'm thinking of places where gang or drug-related or police violence is common.  People who have a choice don't live in those places and aren't aware of what it's like there.  The "don't hit women" rule only works when there's a functioning social system, and there quite a few places in the USA where there isn't.

In the millieus where being a woman is protection against violence, men aren't generally subject to much violence if they don't respond to challenges and avoid antagonizing people.

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itsApril

Quote from: XxCosmicEvan on January 26, 2016, 02:17:30 PM
I don't like to look at myself as a fighter and i don't plan to ever get into a fight. . . . 
I'm just not that person i see myself as weaker and kind more then i do anything else, and in fact i'm more mature then my own group of friends i hang around i just never fit in to society one way or another and this makes it harder.

I'm not sure if I understood correctly what you were saying.  But please don't ever think that kindness and weakness are the same thing.  In a tough world, it takes a strong person to be kind.  If you are a kind, mature, and thoughtful person who shuns violence and coercion, you will be a very welcome addition to the ranks of men!
-April
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