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Change in delivery may be causing problems.

Started by Tamika Olivia, February 08, 2016, 08:49:51 PM

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Tamika Olivia

Hey all, I've recently changed (as in Friday) from a patch based estrogen to a cream based estrogen/progesterone compound. I'm trying to figure out if I need to talk to my doctor or not. Starting Saturday evening I began noticing some weird changes, and I wanted to run them by the board and see if they'll iron out or if I should be concerned. Here's what's happened:

1) I was napping in my chair on Saturday evening when I noticed that I was having some panic like symptoms. My heart felt like it was racing, I was short on breath, and I started from my doze.
2) I've had this buzzing sort of near-headache, it's almost like a migraine I had once, but not exactly painful. I can only really describe it as like a tuning fork that has been struck and held until the vibrations are almost finished.
3) My libido is more active than it has been in a month and a half.

Those are the major things that have been occurring off an on for the past few days. I'm not sure if this is just my body adjusting to the new cyclical nature of the estrogen (it's a twice daily cream instead of a two patches once a week), the added influence of progesterone, some dosage problem, or a completely unrelated illness. I figure if it doesn't clear up by the end of the week or so, I might call, but I figured I'd ask and see if anyone else experienced weird symptoms when changing estrogen delivery.
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KayXo

Your symptoms sound very much like PMS symptoms to me, from a drop in estrogen. Please contact your doctor ASAP if symptoms persist.

Cream may not be an effective route for adequate absorption in the blood, especially as compared to factory made, standardized gels and patches. The base used in cream preparations is also important and determines extent of absorption. One should apply in the right areas, as advised by pharmacist/doctor, and follow instructions (i.e. clean area before, etc.)

Menopause. 2013 Nov;20(11):1169-75.
Percutaneous progesterone delivery via cream or gel application in postmenopausal women: a randomized cross-over study of progesterone levels in serum, whole blood, saliva, and capillary blood


The serum levels of progesterone were, on average, with cream and gel (doses comparable to oral), 
0.5 ng/ml (Cmax of 0.6 ng/ml) and 0.35 ng/ml (Cmax of 0.4 ng/ml), respectively, during a 24 hour period.

On comparable dose with oral progesterone, in another study, Cmax was found to be 17.3 ng/ml and average levels to be 4.33 ng/ml for the first 10 hours.

CLIMACTERIC 2005;8(Suppl 1):3–63

"The efficacy of transdermally administered progesterone is contested."

Sometimes, the dose may also be too weak. Or, another possibility, progesterone is too high relative to estrogen so that progesterone, being somewhat anti-estrogenic (downregulates estrogen receptors, increases conversion of estradiol to estrone and sulfates), is opposing E too strongly and has resulted in a drop in E.

Do realize that salivary levels, often praised by some, are not an accurate indication of blood levels. Symptoms alone, however, can reveal what is going on without having to resort to blood levels which can take longer to get, prolonging unnecessarily your suffering.

As mentioned above, do discuss with your doctor ASAP if symptoms persist.

P.S.: Personally, I would never go this route as I don't trust its effectiveness based on various reports and studies I read. A few have had success though, it seems. 
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Tamika Olivia

Thank you for responding! I was hoping that it wasn't a low E problem, mostly because my doctor is a little bit older and does things in his own time. If I need to change to a new script it might be a week or two before he can get it out.

Today was better, thankfully, no panic and libido seems to be back to where it was (although that's a not necessarily indicative of anything). Still got the headaches, but I had headaches when I first started patches and they eventually worked out. If anything recurs I'll put in a call on Thursday.
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