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when is transition appropriate?

Started by joanie, March 06, 2016, 09:52:29 PM

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joanie

just feel ready. :) well , its nice to not have to be suicidal to qualify. I suppose anyone willing to make such a drastic life change must have reason enough. I mean, personally , I think people should be able to fashion themselves however they want but I have a hard time applying that to myself. Or maybe Im just waiting for the courage to act.....
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Dena

I thought this was going to be nice and simple but you just complicated the daylights out of it. I have a total of three threads for you to review and see if it feels right. If the first two don't feel right, don't bother with the third one. If the threads ring true, a transition may still be in your future but you will have to consider it a bit more carefully.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,201219.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,202966.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,196073.0.html
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joanie

ha! I have a tendency to do that!  Thanks Dena :)  There are definately elements of the first thread i can very much relate to.. will read through the rest :)

earlier in the week at my therapists we went over the dsms current criteria. For children one needed 6 out of 8 to qualify and i would have had 5 as a kid. For the adults its onlt 2 out of 6 I think and I had 4 out of 6. Makes sense for the adult criteria to be a bit less stringent. But yeah, careful consideration....
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joanie

Quote from: Dena on March 11, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
I thought this was going to be nice and simple but you just complicated the daylights out of it. I have a total of three threads for you to review and see if it feels right. If the first two don't feel right, don't bother with the third one. If the threads ring true, a transition may still be in your future but you will have to consider it a bit more carefully.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,201219.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,202966.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,196073.0.html

ok, yes, actually ive been following the first two threads and posting in the second already. The third is definately interesting to me as thats the place Im in at the moment... I dress female at home almost all the time, with my partner I am always female and I often am in public androgynously.. And Ive always been a bit bisexual, so no real problem identifying as fluid or non binary. I think where I differ might that I do  have a strong desire for female anatomy. I want breasts. I really want to see my Girl Face.. I even have a definate desire for srs.   I m just not sure Ill die if none of that happens. Does desire warrant the price involved? Its also tangled up with my sexuality so i wonder about the scorned auto gynephila theory ( i might have that name wrong)  I know you cant answer these questions for me but its very helpful hearing others experiences and thoughts and opinions !
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Dena

The theory is a forbidden topic on this site as it has been disproven so no more discussion of it. As for the rest, having SRS and being non binary form the other side is acceptable and you will find some of the posters in those threads are exactly that. The two questions you have to answer is who do you want to go to bed as and who do you want to go to bed with.

Some people are close enough to the center that surgery isn't important to them others are closer to the transsexual end and if they ID as female 80-90% of the time. They find it difficult to remain comfortable with their birth gender.

It's going to be a value call if cross living or surgery will put you in the comfort zone and I can't answer it for you.

One thing is sure and that is you will have a lot to report to your doctor on the next visit. Think your doctor will give me a kick back  ::)
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jossam

You sound like me when you say you want female parts and srs except my case is reversed because I am a trans man. I have always identified as 100% male and never been comfortable with my body. However the decision to transition at some point in the future when it will be possible for me was somewhat recent because of misinformation I had and fears. But I realized nothing can be more scary than keeping on living with the wrong body. So that's the moment when I decided I need to transition, need and not just want. I want and need it for the sake of my mental health. Also the dysphoria got worse after puberty and all so that was another factor.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: joanie on March 11, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
ok, yes, actually ive been following the first two threads and posting in the second already. The third is definately interesting to me as thats the place Im in at the moment... I dress female at home almost all the time, with my partner I am always female and I often am in public androgynously.. And Ive always been a bit bisexual, so no real problem identifying as fluid or non binary. I think where I differ might that I do  have a strong desire for female anatomy. I want breasts. I really want to see my Girl Face.. I even have a definate desire for srs.   I m just not sure Ill die if none of that happens. Does desire warrant the price involved? Its also tangled up with my sexuality so i wonder about the scorned auto gynephila theory ( i might have that name wrong)  I know you cant answer these questions for me but its very helpful hearing others experiences and thoughts and opinions !

I had all of that and constantly went back and forth between "I absolutely need to" and "I was totally mistaken". I personally wouldn't worry about the sexuality aspect of it. Unless you feel like it would be better on the other side and that's the only reason, it doesn't really play a part in the decision. Most of us are sexual creatures and that's always going to be wound together for us. BUT you should make sure that's not a requirement either. My drive went from a 10 to a 0 when I got on HRT. For me it was a blessing. For someone else, maybe not.

I don't know the reasons for why people go longer without addressing this. I think in my case it was that I was built like a woman already, so the dysphoria wasn't as strong for me, yet I still hit that do or die moment that I never thought I'd hit. It just took me 39 years to get there.

I was already leaning in the direction of a transition before I hit it and I got that far by watching youtube videos of people asking a bunch of therapy style questions. One in particular struck a chord for me and that was which gender I would be if I was the only remaining human. The answer was obvious for me. The final nudge I needed was the do or die moment. I still question whether I made the right decision sometimes, but I remind myself of the road I was heading down last year and how quickly that changed by starting the transition and that's what gives me the motivation to continue down this path.
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JoanneB

Quote from: Dena on March 11, 2016, 09:42:06 PM
The theory is a forbidden topic on this site as it has been disproven so no more discussion of it. As for the rest, having SRS and being non binary form the other side is acceptable and you will find some of the posters in those threads are exactly that. The two questions you have to answer is who do you want to go to bed as and who do you want to go to bed with.

Some people are close enough to the center that surgery isn't important to them others are closer to the transsexual end and if they ID as female 80-90% of the time. They find it difficult to remain comfortable with their birth gender.

It's going to be a value call if cross living or surgery will put you in the comfort zone and I can't answer it for you.

One thing is sure and that is you will have a lot to report to your doctor on the next visit. Think your doctor will give me a kick back  ::)
Well IMHO if you're like me and in the very grey 50% +/- end of the spectrum life can be complicated, especially for a late transitioner where you figured out (mostly) how to make value judgements to balance so many conflicting needs/wants.

For me surgery is not even on the radar. In an ideal world I'd live full time as female in a heartbeat. In the real world there is too much risk for my personal circumstances. My body dysphoria is not all that overwhelming. My size/weight and flab factor bothers me more more then dangly bits. Both I'd rather not have, my weight is a constant battle.

My wife is far from thrilled how my body has changed. At the same time those changes have given me life, given me a life. That she is OK with. I compromise as does she. I have a prioity list of needs which is pretty much totally satisfied. "Wants".... well we all have them. They help define our lives, give a reason to struggle, give us joy.

As a late bloomer THE one most important tidbit of information as well as the most confounding thing is "Needs" and "Wants". While neither one must be satisfied, "Needs" are essentially absolutes. "Wants".... well, they can wait

In my 20's I twice "Experimented" with transitioning. I wanted to see how life can be as a female after wanting to be one for pretty much all of it. I learned the reality of it for a kid in the 70's. I learned I did not "Need" to transition.

Thirty years later I was hit with a need to do something about being trans. Especially to do something about how I was not handling being trans. I started this phase with transition completely off the table. Been there. Tried it. NOT for me.

There are days I feel I need to transition. Most days I'd like to. Many days I wish someone will shot me and put me out of my misery. Most days I'm also just fine being.....me. The new, enlightened me, who spent a ton of hours and (emotional) energy growing. The me with a body I live with thanks to HRT, yet still living and working as male.

So far the days I'd "Like" to, vs the the days I "Need" are heavily tilted to the "Like" to end. I try to maintain the balance I need to in my life
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Swayallday

If you believe you come out better
I don't care about your motivations
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FrancisAnn

There is absolutely no need to stress out over this. Enjoy being yourself, a woman. Be proud to be a woman. Take your HRT, remove the wrong hormones, enjoy the correct hormones. Groom your body more normal, dress more normal, take better care of your body, face, hair, nails, enjoy life. Start early in life if you can to enjoy a fuller life. For me there was very little support years ago so I had to suffer through with a male body that was so wrong. Please do not go though what I had to endure. These days are so much better. Get on some estrogen & enjoy life!!!
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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joanie

haha gosh! I wish I could accept this and act upon it with out stress. I do like the simplicity you imply though Francis Ann!

and yes, need vs. want. Its hard for me to determine whether its needed. I suspect that I will not be able to resist the overwhelming desires to transition much longer and to be honest it kind of terrifies me!
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joanie

Quote from: Dena on March 11, 2016, 09:42:06 PM
The theory is a forbidden topic on this site as it has been disproven so no more discussion of it. As for the rest, having SRS and being non binary form the other side is acceptable and you will find some of the posters in those threads are exactly that. The two questions you have to answer is who do you want to go to bed as and who do you want to go to bed with.

Some people are close enough to the center that surgery isn't important to them others are closer to the transsexual end and if they ID as female 80-90% of the time. They find it difficult to remain comfortable with their birth gender.

It's going to be a value call if cross living or surgery will put you in the comfort zone and I can't answer it for you.

One thing is sure and that is you will have a lot to report to your doctor on the next visit. Think your doctor will give me a kick back  ::)
Haha mmmhmm :)
Well, I definitely want to go bed as Joanie. WHO I want to go to bed is in flux.
What is cross living? Living as a woman without HRT?
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Dena

Quote from: joanie on March 13, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Haha mmmhmm :)
Well, I definitely want to go bed as Joanie. WHO I want to go to bed is in flux.
What is cross living? Living as a woman without HRT?
Cross living is living in the opposite gender without benefit of reassignment surgery. Before modern treatment became available, people would live in the opposite gender depending only on their natural ability to pass. Today, someone might get HRT, facial surgery and maybe other procedures but retain their birth gender. There are people on the site who live this way because they are comfortable in that role or for some reason a full transition isn't possible. The only reason I know who they are is because they have been open enough with their life for me to know their current status.
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FrancisAnn

Quote from: joanie on March 13, 2016, 03:25:59 PM
haha gosh! I wish I could accept this and act upon it with out stress. I do like the simplicity you imply though Francis Ann!

and yes, need vs. want. Its hard for me to determine whether its needed. I suspect that I will not be able to resist the overwhelming desires to transition much longer and to be honest it kind of terrifies me!
There is just so much talk & discussion, etc......it goes on & on. If you enjoy being female & being a woman just let go & improve your self, be happy with your self. No woman's body or face is perfect.....None of us will ever become perfect but we must try & our best. Good luck to us all.  I've never had any mental stress at all with being female. On the contrary I'm very glad. My only concerns are with the physical changes & the costs. My plastic surgeon loves to see me, $, hahahaha
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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joanie

haha yes, ive certainly talked it to death and beyond.... ok, letting go and being happy ;)
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joanie

well, I had my orientation appoinment for hrt today.. Doctor appt. in 2 weeks for blood work and tests and stuff.....
yikes! things are getting very real ! haha exciting but also kinda scarrrrryyyyy  :)
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gymrat93

Quote from: joanie on March 06, 2016, 09:52:29 PM
hi!    :)

Is transition only appropriate when the only other alternative is suicide?
i.e. if its at all possible to postpone or avoid transition should one?
The instant I felt envy of those who have the female form, I knew it was time to contemplate transitioning. I was in a relationship with a girl, and romance became very difficult because I simply wanted to be in her place more than I did mine. If anyone ever thinks to themselves that they're not enjoying life due to their gender, they should consider transitioning, in my opinion.
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jossam

I absolutely agree with gymrat. That's how I figured out transition is my only option. I am not enjoying my life mostly because of the gender I was assigned at birth. It's not just social, it's strongly physical too. So I want to change it through HRT and surgeries. And that's how you know...
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Pollyanna

I wasn't suicidal at all (nor am I now). I was and still am happily married. I saw it as an ascension, a rising into a place of deeper happiness. It was an act of self love to transition. There were tears and times of desperation, sure, but generally it was a 'running toward' rather than a 'running away from,' if that makes sense. Good luck!


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