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Started by KarlMars, March 09, 2016, 03:22:17 AM

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KarlMars

I want to know if there are any other people here with aspergers syndrome and if you think there's a link between that and your gender identity. I have heard that supposedly aspergers is an extreme systemizing brain and if it is I would like to know why I am not good at math. It is also said to be an "extreme male" brain and there are people who don't believe women cannot have any form of autism.

I have a real life friend who has aspergers I know for sure and she's a M2F. Her personality is the opposite of mine. She's a total hermit who is terrified to crossdress in public and rarely leaves her apartment. I would describe her as a couch potato and a video game addict.

Do you also feel that you may have been wrongly diagnosed with aspergers due to your gender dysphoria? I was thinking someone (a woman with aspergers) could not think about gender identity and wear male clothes due to the fact that they don't know that it's supposed to be socially inappropriate or something about the textures of women's clothes annoys them. That's just an example.

Please discuss.

MichelleZelda

I can't remember what I was watching, but I remember that it said people with ASD are more likely to have gender dysphoria. Also, I have a close friend with aspergers and he's TERRIBLE at math. He used to be the video game addict type much like your friend. Just like being trans there's no one size fits all

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Laura_7


There are many aspies and people with autism within transgender people, both MTF and FTM.

There are even statistics showing that FTM people have a higher rate amongst them than the average.

Concerning math it seems to be a predisposition, like music.
It seems to be more widespread within the male population but its not a given.
There are male people who do not excel at math and there are female people who are very good at math.


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V M

ASD encompasses a very large spectrum

There are a few noted commonalities but it definitely is not a one size fits all condition

I think that ASD and mathematical ability is individually inherent to each person and gender doesn't really have much if any actual relevance

Some trans people cope with various conditions, others not so much





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Gertrude

I have it mildly and three of my five kids has some form of autism, two high functioning aspergers and one is medium autistic. It runs in both my and my wife's families. One of my daughters is bi. I have four girls and one boy. Having aspergers was harder when I was younger but being trans is harder now. Both are part of who I am.


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Fresas con Nata

I've never been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome (I never pursued that) but it's obvious that there's something going on with me, and I can recognise several of my traits in the wikipedia article. I'm good at maths but, like others, I fail to see any relationship. I'm also not sure about my ->-bleeped-<- to have anything to do with this, but my research about it amounts to a grand total of 0.0 :)
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SiobhánF

Quote from: Gertrude on April 24, 2016, 03:49:21 PM
I have it mildly and three of my five kids has some form of autism, two high functioning aspergers and one is medium autistic. It runs in both my and my wife's families. One of my daughters is bi. I have four girls and one boy. Having aspergers was harder when I was younger but being trans is harder now. Both are part of who I am.


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Same here, only one of mine has Aspergers and another has ADHD. My one with ADHD loves to dress up in girly fashion, but we've never discouraged it. He kind of leads the way when it comes to wearing dresses, lol. He wears a dress, the other boys want to, also. But, unlike the other boys who get over it and go back to their normal attire, my ADHD guy continues and goes even further with other stuff, like backpacks, shoes, etc. So, my wife and I think he may also be transgender, but we don't ever question him about it because we want to see who he is without the influence of our questions. He's a great kid, regardless. :D
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Soli

first I figured I'm trans but couldn't transition, then a few years later, I figure I'm in the autistic spectrum. No official diagnosis but acknowledged by my doctor and psychologist, who both informed me of the very high rate of ASD in the trans community and vice versa, then I study autism and I clearly am and now understand how my brain works and in what ways my thinking and actions are different, would it be only of the very crucial eye contact, very crucial for a social being like a modern human, and that I cannot perform in the right way...

and when understanding autism, the link with transsexualism is obvious (to me anyways) as ASD people do not relate to the human models, do not perform imitation like neurotypical do, and they lack a motivation to be something like the neurotypicals do.

people in the spectrum while being very different from one another to the point that they often can't be together, can't tolerate one another, often have some traits in common, lack of motivation, goals, incapacity of relating to a given model, the rational takes all the place in an ASD brain, and rational is not the most evident trait of neurotypicals, more emotions and (often false) representation. There is no representation in an ASD brain, everything is rational. So if you say to a neurotypical: Look, you could be a fireman, the kid says Yes!!! and sees himself in a ladder with a hose. You say that to a kid on ASD, and he/she will see not the end result but all the path to get there and the difficulties and dangers of being a fireman, living with the colleagues, all, everything will go in the rational machine.

an ASD brain is the center of the world, everything goes through the rational of that brain, as opposed to automatic settings in neurotypicals whereas there is no thinking to be done, I'm a man, I'm a woman, no rational in that, and for an ASD brain, there is no preset.

as for math, some ASD are geniuses in math, others mainly see no purpose in algebra, it's all too theoretical for such a practical brain and it leads to absurd answers invalidating the process to get to these answers   who needs a+b = c2 , I mean what does that do? Nothing concrete so this is no use

Quote from: alienbodybuilder on March 09, 2016, 03:22:17 AM
Do you also feel that you may have been wrongly diagnosed with aspergers due to your gender dysphoria?

I don't think one can be wrongly diagnosed with ASD, Aspergers, it's a long process to get there with specialized people, and one accumulates different autistic traits until it reaches the diagnostic, and if not, well the autistic traits are there still, just not strong enough, or not enough of them to qualify for a diagnosis.

it's quite obvious for me that there is much, much more than 1 or 2% of the population who is ASD, probably like 10-15% who could get a diagnosis and another 15% who have some autistic traits. Science considered autism as a childhood psychological condition until not long ago.

there are many conditions said to be touching more men than women and most of the time these figures are plainly wrong and were established by male chauvinist professionals who see what they want to see, so for them these traits, like having no goal, no motivation for example, is just a normal set of mind for a woman. Same goes for cluster headaches a very hurtful condition (that I have) where male chauvinist professionals didn't give the same importance to the pleas for help and the demonstration of the pain from women than from men, giving more credibility to the men's explanation of the pain, whereas a woman always complain about pain anyways type thing, you know. I don't think ASD affects men more than woman.
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KarlMars

Quote from: Soli on August 12, 2016, 01:05:12 PM
first I figured I'm trans but couldn't transition, then a few years later, I figure I'm in the autistic spectrum. No official diagnosis but acknowledged by my doctor and psychologist, who both informed me of the very high rate of ASD in the trans community and vice versa, then I study autism and I clearly am and now understand how my brain works and in what ways my thinking and actions are different, would it be only of the very crucial eye contact, very crucial for a social being like a modern human, and that I cannot perform in the right way...

and when understanding autism, the link with transsexualism is obvious (to me anyways) as ASD people do not relate to the human models, do not perform imitation like neurotypical do, and they lack a motivation to be something like the neurotypicals do.

people in the spectrum while being very different from one another to the point that they often can't be together, can't tolerate one another, often have some traits in common, lack of motivation, goals, incapacity of relating to a given model, the rational takes all the place in an ASD brain, and rational is not the most evident trait of neurotypicals, more emotions and (often false) representation. There is no representation in an ASD brain, everything is rational. So if you say to a neurotypical: Look, you could be a fireman, the kid says Yes!!! and sees himself in a ladder with a hose. You say that to a kid on ASD, and he/she will see not the end result but all the path to get there and the difficulties and dangers of being a fireman, living with the colleagues, all, everything will go in the rational machine.

an ASD brain is the center of the world, everything goes through the rational of that brain, as opposed to automatic settings in neurotypicals whereas there is no thinking to be done, I'm a man, I'm a woman, no rational in that, and for an ASD brain, there is no preset.

as for math, some ASD are geniuses in math, others mainly see no purpose in algebra, it's all too theoretical for such a practical brain and it leads to absurd answers invalidating the process to get to these answers   who needs a+b = c2 , I mean what does that do? Nothing concrete so this is no use

I don't think one can be wrongly diagnosed with ASD, Aspergers, it's a long process to get there with specialized people, and one accumulates different autistic traits until it reaches the diagnostic, and if not, well the autistic traits are there still, just not strong enough, or not enough of them to qualify for a diagnosis.

it's quite obvious for me that there is much, much more than 1 or 2% of the population who is ASD, probably like 10-15% who could get a diagnosis and another 15% who have some autistic traits. Science considered autism as a childhood psychological condition until not long ago.

there are many conditions said to be touching more men than women and most of the time these figures are plainly wrong and were established by male chauvinist professionals who see what they want to see, so for them these traits, like having no goal, no motivation for example, is just a normal set of mind for a woman. Same goes for cluster headaches a very hurtful condition (that I have) where male chauvinist professionals didn't give the same importance to the pleas for help and the demonstration of the pain from women than from men, giving more credibility to the men's explanation of the pain, whereas a woman always complain about pain anyways type thing, you know. I don't think ASD affects men more than woman.

I got a lot out of your post. Thanks.

Soli

Quote from: alienbodybuilder on August 13, 2016, 03:33:13 PM
I got a lot out of your post. Thanks.

I'm glad you did

One of the studies on ASD I remember reading was that they put one by one different children in a room full of interesting toys. The control subjects, the neurotypicals, all acted the same, after eyeing each of the toys for a short moment, they would spot the one more interesting and go towards it and play with it with little delay, then would go on sometimes to another one... The ASD children all acted the same also: each of them sat there for a rather long period of time looking apparently nothing in particular, then they would at one point get up and wander around, stumble on a toy... some of them touched the toy or even played with it, others scanning the parts of it. When I read that, I saw this process at work in my head and helped me understand why the others always acted so stiffly. I have no particular interest in life and don't see the purpose of me being here; it's lacking a purpose, an explanation. So I don't have a motivation really to search for anything, become anything, do anything. I don't know where I'm from and why I'm here, I first need to understand this... If I stumble onto something, I get into it deeply, scrutinizing the details to the point where others can't stand hearing me about it. The rest is of no interest. Then I stumble onto something else...

Also wanted to add that the models, the ASD see them, they just don't see the link between that and them, can't see how that could be them... how it could apply to them, they can't picture themselves in the place of another. That missing link reminds me of another, the eye contact which I don't perform correctly, bad synchro (talking milliseconds here), so the contact isn't made correctly as in the ancestral behaviors that still rule us, so actually, the other isn't quite certain I'm of the same species, so people don't trust me, don't believe I can do this or that... They perceive me as incapable and untrustable since possibly from another species since I didn't perform the code correctly. The eye contact was of most importance in the development of the social structures of humans since at least 40-50,000 years. The question though is why did ASD remain a component of humans nowadays, natural selection didn't push that away, there must be a reason. There has to be a reason. I'm on it.  ;)
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DawnOday

Funny you bring up Trump. But isn't it A$$ Burgers?   Sorry I couldn't resist. Aspergers is a very real malady one I've heard of but have not investigated until now. You know what after reading the symptoms generally higher functioning.
People with this condition may be socially awkward and have an all-absorbing interest in specific topics. I talk about 2 subjects most days. The LA Angels and Politics. There is really not much else. When I was working I was able to suggest production improvement that reduced costs by 30% and reduced product approval from 6 months to 3 days. Even without a full college degree I have been in supervisory type positions all my career. I am going to discuss it with my therapist. I always thought I was just introverted. Oh for the last 5 months studying being transgender has absorbed most my time.
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V

Quote from: Soli on August 13, 2016, 05:16:58 PMI have no particular interest in life and don't see the purpose of me being here; it's lacking a purpose, an explanation. So I don't have a motivation really to search for anything, become anything, do anything. I don't know where I'm from and why I'm here, I first need to understand this... If I stumble onto something, I get into it deeply, scrutinizing the details to the point where others can't stand hearing me about it. The rest is of no interest. Then I stumble onto something else...

What you wrote here reminds me so much of me.
I've had no actual diagnosis but I have so many ASD traits, that I'm fairly certain I have it to some degree. All the online tests I've done have given results that say I'm very much in the ASD group.
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Gertrude

Quote from: V on August 13, 2016, 06:22:04 PM
What you wrote here reminds me so much of me.
I've had no actual diagnosis but I have so many ASD traits, that I'm fairly certain I have it to some degree. All the online tests I've done have given results that say I'm very much in the ASD group.
My gender therapist diagnosed me as mildly ASD. If you have one, he or she could.


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