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Describe your dysphoria?

Started by kk, March 13, 2016, 04:03:04 PM

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kk

Hey guys.  I'm newly trying to figure out what I'm feeling.  I've had feelings towards my body all my life that I thought were just part of living but apparently these are not normal feelings, haha.

I was going to make a post describing what I'm feeling, but can't find the words.  Is there anyone who wouldn't mind describing their own feelings and I can see if I can connect to it?

Like, right now, as I'm sitting here, I can feel my breasts beneath my sweatshirt, and just feeling them makes me uncomfortable, and there's a sort of "ping" in my head that's something like disgust?  I don't know how to describe things...

(I'm dfab, thinking I'm ftm)
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Matthew

There's not always words that will perfectly describe your experiences of dysphoria, the closest terms I have found is a sense of discomfort and an 'unsafe' feeling - although many feelings associated with depression and anxiety also apply.
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arice

When my dysphoria is bad, I literally feel like I am trapped in a body that doesn't belong to me. I feel that it just does not fit my brain. I feel disconnected from it and that sometimes turns to hatred.
Even when things are "good", I feel disconnected from the most feminine aspects of my body: breasts, hormonal cycles etc.
Puberty was mother nature's cruel joke on me and back then I hated everything feminine.
The only time I enjoyed being female was when I was pregnant. I still wasn't very feminine but I loved what my body could do.
I consider myself non-binary, a guy who happens to be female. I wear mens clothing but would not pass as a man most of the time. I would like top surgery but will probably never be able to afford it.

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Asche

I just feel repulsed when I look at my body.  When I see myself in the mirror, it's like seeing somebody who I don't want to be in the same timezone with and wish I could pretend didn't exist.

I've always dealt with it by just not thinking about it, to the point that I only see those details that I need to deal with.  I think one of the things I liked about having a beard was that when I saw myself in the mirror I couldn't see most of my face, only the beard.  When I shaved it off for good, it took me a long time to see myself and not get grossed out.  Now I look in the mirror and don't see myself any more.  A kind of voluntary prosopagnosia.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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KathyLauren

My dysphoria has never been overwhelming, which is why it has taken me so long to recognize it.  Much of what I will describe is in hindsight, as I look back and realize that what I felt way back then was dysphoria.

Right now, it is in the form of a persistent feeling that I am living someone else's life.  I feel emotionally numb because, aside from 60+ years, I have nothing invested in that person's life.

In the past, it has taken the form of a feeling of wrongness when wearing men's clothes.  A dissatisfaction at having to live by society's rules.  A longing to be a girl/woman.

The most destructive form has been social isolation: I have never felt that I fit in in any group that I was in.  I don't fit in in groups of men: I feel that I have nothing in common with them.  But being biologically a man, I am not allowed to socialize with women except in a dating/mating context.  The only way I can feel accepted in a group is to be so darned good at whatever activity the group does that they have to accept me whether they like me or not.  That's tiring!
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Jayne

I've spent most of my life trying to put my dysphoria into words, before I try to explain it to cis gendered people I often ask them to describe being happy or sad to someone who's never felt emotions, its close to impossible to describe to someone who's experienced emotions, take away common reference points & the task becomes like chasing rainbows. The closer you get the harder it is to find your goal.

About the best description I can find is this: when I'm relaxed & not thinking about my gender identity I see & think of myself as female (although that statement sort of cancels itself out as if I'm not thinking about my gender identity then how can I see myself as female?).
Then when someone "sirs" me I get this jarring moment when I look at my body and get jolted back to the reality that my body is male, this triggers many emotions such as revultion, shock, depression & self loathing (to name a few).

When I'm forced to take notice of my body I feel disgusted by body & facial hair, I get depressed by the sight of my flat chest (pre hrt I would often "feel" the weight of my breasts only to look down & see I didn't have them, cue depression).
As for what's between my legs, its just wrong, plain wrong.

I doubt this description helps but its the best I can manage.
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Elis

Pre T it felt like the dysphoria was this constant static noise in my head. I constantly felt self conscious and felt this deep feeling of discomfort when looking at my body. Buying a binder helped lot. I felt simply 'right' and completely happy that I could feel a flat chest. I'm just over 4 months on T and my dysphoria is now a low buzz. Of course the feeling of dysphoria is different for all trans people. Some only have social dysphoria  (being referred to as there assigned gender) and some only have body dysphoria. Some have both. You don't have to 100% hate and loathe your body to be trans. You can simply dislike it and be unable to imagine yourself living in your assigned gender; and still be trans.
They/them pronouns preferred.



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DanielleA

#7
I get  super selfconcious when I am having a dysphoria moment. I avoid mirrors so I can't see "him" and if I do see "his" reflection I become really anxious & upset. It is a reminder of many difficult years and it can totally derail my mood instantly. For me, my dysphoria is like a switch. I can be fully comfortable in my skin and enjoying what is happening around me and then the switch flips leaving me a bawling lump of misery until I do something to counter balance my feelings. It is happening less and less but it is there behind the scenes like a hidden viper waiting to strike.
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IdontEven

Being uncomfortable and awkward feeling in my own skin. Feeling like I'm buried really deeply inside a body that's not my own. A sort of dark cloud that hangs over my head. Self-hate, and body hate. I hate mirrors, or having my picture taken, or even being looked at.

It's getting better though :)
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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kk

Thank you to everyone who replied.  I do connect to what a lot of you said.  I've been feeling these things my whole life, but I guess I just thought it was just the way I was, or something.
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Denise

I can second what KathyLauren said.  I'm 54 and it's taken me 45+ years to recognize an issue.  For me (MtF) I have an overwhelming sorrow/sadness that I do not have breasts and a more feminine face.  A few times per day, I have to stop, take a deep breath and relax or the sadness would just overpower me.

Consider this - for 45 years I wished I was a girl.  Consider a longing for something that is always out of reach and it's been that way your whole life.  My dysphoria has subsided and turned into excitement now that I've started the journey.
1st Person out: 16-Oct-2015
Restarted Spironolactone 26-Aug-2016
Restarted Estradiol Valerate: 02-Nov-2016
Full time: 02-Mar-2017
Breast Augmentation (Schechter): 31-Oct-2017
FFS (Walton in Chicago): 25-Sep-2018
Vaginoplasty (Schechter): 13-Dec-2018









A haiku in honor of my grandmother who loved them.
The Voices are Gone
Living Life to the Fullest
I am just Denise
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WallabyWallop

Not to sound overly dramatic but my dysphoria takes the form of a deep-rooted anxiety that feels like I'm falling deeper and deeper into a black hole. It goes away almost completely when I put on my makeup and wig, and tends to flare up whenever I interact with people who I haven't told about my gender identity yet, particularly friends and family.

I don't resent my body or anything (although I'm sure I've inflicted some damage by trying, and largely succeeding, to have an hourglass waist), but man I wish I had some hips  :-\
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Felix

My dysphoria was mostly shame before transition. Like, every girly thing about me was embarassing while at the same time I was trying very hard to be a "real" woman.

Regarding my physical body, my breasts were always a problem. Honestly they might be my only physical problem. Having boobs was like walking around with always-on loudspeakers. They felt wrong. When I noticed them I felt inadequate, emasculated. When guys paid them extra attention it was confusing. When guys liked my breasts it felt like it would feel if somebody praised a rash or a wart.

My dysphoria now since I've had surgeries and name change and been on hormones awhile is almost nonexistent. But what dysphoria I do have is bleak. Like "I'll never be a normal guy" or "if I had a penis everything would be fine and since I don't it never will" or "I'll get raped and murdered any day now because I look like a teenager and act like a sissy" or "my family will never accept people like me" etc. Deep fears and existential garbage.

I'm normally way way better than most trans people seem to be. I like my hips, don't mind my soft skin and small hands, never suffered much with periods, pretty much had it easy.

I am developing a new problem with how nurturing and pacifist I am. That just doesn't work for most men in most situations.
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WallabyWallop

Quote from: Felix on March 14, 2016, 02:24:13 AM
My dysphoria was mostly shame before transition. Like, every girly thing about me was embarassing while at the same time I was trying very hard to be a "real" woman.

Regarding my physical body, my breasts were always a problem. Honestly they might be my only physical problem. Having boobs was like walking around with always-on loudspeakers. They felt wrong. When I noticed them I felt inadequate, emasculated. When guys paid them extra attention it was confusing. When guys liked my breasts it felt like it would feel if somebody praised a rash or a wart.

My dysphoria now since I've had surgeries and name change and been on hormones awhile is almost nonexistent. But what dysphoria I do have is bleak. Like "I'll never be a normal guy" or "if I had a penis everything would be fine and since I don't it never will" or "I'll get raped and murdered any day now because I look like a teenager and act like a sissy" or "my family will never accept people like me" etc. Deep fears and existential garbage.

I'm normally way way better than most trans people seem to be. I like my hips, don't mind my soft skin and small hands, never suffered much with periods, pretty much had it easy.

I am developing a new problem with how nurturing and pacifist I am. That just doesn't work for most men in most situations.
I know it's been said many a time before, but wouldn't it be great if all transgender people could just trade anatomy? I'd love to give you some of my my male parts, if I could (although most would probably pass on my huge gross gollum hands  ;) ).

I wouldn't worry about being pacifist or nurturing. You can be masculine in many ways without changing who you are. Of course, I don't know your situation, so you do you and good luck however you do  ;D
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Hunchdebunch

I've found recognising whether I experience dysphoria hard, and I find it hard to accept that what I experience probably is dysphoria as I struggle a lot with feeling like I'm 'faking it'. However, I can vaguely remember (I think it's a real memory) during puberty, sat on the bathroom floor looking at my chest, where it was just starting to grow. I felt strange, and confused, if I remember correctly. More recently, I've struggled to work out if what I feel is really dysphoria, but I got a binder recently, and when I wear it, I can actually run my hands over my chest without feeling grossed out. I can look at myself sideways in the mirror and feel good. And also I don't know quite how to describe what I mean, but my chest feels 'safe' when I'm binding? I also usually don't want to take off my binder when the time comes; I end up stood in front of my mirror without a shirt and just my binder on, looking at myself from different angles, as if I want to see my chest flat as much as possible before I have to take it off. I don't know if any of that made sense :/
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Kylo

#15
When I was a kid I got a small wart something on the palm side of one of my fingers. It was almost unnoticeable at first until it sort of became a hard lump with a small dot in the middle and that's when I considered it an abomination that had to go. I took a pair of nail clippers and destroyed it. You'd never know it had ever been there, after.

That's how I started to feel about certain female anatomy as time went on. Some of it I actually thought might have been cancerous because I didn't know what it was "supposed" to look like at all. It flat out disgusted me, and for a long time I wished I could do the same thing I'd done to the wart without severely injuring myself to some of these female bits. To me they were diseases of my body and I hated them. That plus all of the talk about female cancers of female organs also disgusted me. I avoided ever seeing anybody about any of those, even for check ups. Screw it, I thought. If this body is going to get a female cancer, it'd be the best thing for it because then those parts would be ripped out - that was my childhood thinking anyway. I never did get a cancer or any sort of female problem but even now my disgust would probably lead me to neglect the issue somewhat.

If you can picture a female child who had never been told by an adult they were going to develop breasts, and bleed every month, or possibly get pregnant and have something growing inside them, etc. and watched them grow up I'd imagine their own bodies would freak them out to some extent when they began to do these things. Then picture a male child being told this was also going to happen to them... that was me. I'd been told, but I didn't really take the information in - not to heart. A part of me denied they would ever happen because they were awful. When they did start to happen, I guess it was quietly traumatic for me. I exhibited denial behavior. I would ignore periods even when they could hardly be ignored and would forget they were going to happen or to have enough supplies to deal with them. I would wrap the offending body parts down tight so I couldn't feel them. You know, the usual. I was convinced this was not my life and I was not going to deal with this B.S. if I could possibly avoid it. I did some unhealthy things to myself in order to make the experience of a female body as invisible to myself as possible... and I really did hate it. One of the reasons I absolutely refuse to entertain the thought of having children is because it would fulfill this body's function. I've always been at war with it and with what nature has done to me and playing nature's game is the last thing I will do. Was all quite pathological in my case and I'm still just now uncovering from memory the extent of how fubar it all was/is.

In later years I guess I started to accept them in the same way I imagined the Elephant Man must have finally had to accept within himself what he looked like, and sequester myself from society.

So it feels like... body horror, disgust, hate, wanting to slice pieces off with a knife. And finally, bitterness and almost complete disregard for this physical form. I've actually forgotten a bit just how much hate I had for my flesh years ago. But it was a lot.

These days what manifests as dysphoria is when nature's purposes are revealed in how human beings interact and why sexism exists... and you realize how non-neutral and non-altruistic human interactions usually are in almost every way... how it all ties in to sex and dominance and therefore gender (and how the genders use and view each other).... and what the hell, screw that, screw it all. If I transition I'm not going to join this party just because I might feel more secure in the head. Nature and the way it operates still disgusts me, and I recognize the futility of that view. To think I once did a biology degree, but it was being transsexual that really educated me as to how mechanical and cutthroat it all really is, humans being no exception. Even the most innocuous actions of people can be saturated with problems for someone like us. It's almost like a different world to be here in these shoes, I'm sure.

"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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arice

Quote from: Felix on March 14, 2016, 02:24:13 AM
My dysphoria was mostly shame before transition. Like, every girly thing about me was embarassing while at the same time I was trying very hard to be a "real" woman.

Regarding my physical body, my breasts were always a problem. Honestly they might be my only physical problem. Having boobs was like walking around with always-on loudspeakers. They felt wrong. When I noticed them I felt inadequate, emasculated. When guys paid them extra attention it was confusing. When guys liked my breasts it felt like it would feel if somebody praised a rash or a wart.

My dysphoria now since I've had surgeries and name change and been on hormones awhile is almost nonexistent. But what dysphoria I do have is bleak. Like "I'll never be a normal guy" or "if I had a penis everything would be fine and since I don't it never will" or "I'll get raped and murdered any day now because I look like a teenager and act like a sissy" or "my family will never accept people like me" etc. Deep fears and existential garbage.

I'm normally way way better than most trans people seem to be. I like my hips, don't mind my soft skin and small hands, never suffered much with periods, pretty much had it easy.

I am developing a new problem with how nurturing and pacifist I am. That just doesn't work for most men in most situations.
I feel the same way about my breasts.

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Sebby Michelango

It's really hard to explain it, because every people experience the feeling and the world difference. But you can tell about your experience. How do it feel? Is it painful? Any picture you can compare with? Is it similar to something people are known with? Do it feel like a torture advice?

For me gender dysphoria is a great pain and struggle. It feels like it would be there forever and the days go very slow. One year can feel like much more...maybe 3 years or even more. I can't recognize myself and neither accept it. I really hates my body and I wouldn't wish it upon people I dislike. Not even terrorist groups, dictators and other violent people. People don't see me in the whole pieces, many of them can just see what I was assigned at birth and some talks about genitals. It's very stressing and a torture for my health general. My soul never get peace and never get over it. I discovered I was transgender for real about 2 years ago, but it feels like 6 years ago. It's the first thing at your mind and the last one when you wake up and go to bed. It also feels like I can't continue the life I'm supposed to live, stuck in time and stuck in the chromosomes. Sometime I have a disgusting feeling in the stomach, I want to continue the life; that I'm supposed to live, not live in this hell. After my look changed, I got even more disconnected to my body. That "puberty" is a disaster. A real disaster. If I worked as a person who torture prisoners, I don't know which methods I would use. But I know what I wouldn't use, that's opposite hormones against a cisperson or changing a cisperson's genitals. That's permanent and do much more damage that people would believe.


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whereto

i don't feel specifically disgust when i touch my breasts but it feels very weird. like i'm touching them but i feel like they're not mine. at the same time i'm like urgh i can feel them with my bare hands. pretty odd.
i barely pay attention to the chest area at all. though all the girls i've ever dated love them because they're small, perky and in great shape.
besides the top issue, i find myself looking at men crotch a lot. it's just gravity and my eyes, i told myself. lol. i do feel jealous with the junk yard they have down there and i don't have it.
other than that, i was very uncomfortable and irritated if being put in girly clothes. i just basically pissed at everyone and everything for no such reason. i couldn't explain my actions or feelings. like i have to wear this favorite costume that everybody likes even though i don't.
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kk

I don't have time to describe it all since I'm running late, but one thing I used to do, before realizing I was trans, was hope I got breast cancer so I'd have an excuse to get things removed.  Which I understand is a really ridiculous and gross thing to wish for, but I guess if I were trying to explain my levels of hate for my chest to a cis person, maybe that would help them understand.  I can "feel" my breasts like they're not part of me, they're these THINGS that are hanging off my chest and I hate them.  Like, I like my nipples -- I love my nipples, lol -- but it's weird that there's all this fatty tissue between my nips and my chest.

When I hit puberty and my breasts started coming in, I remember bra shopping for the first time, and telling my mom I wish breasts were removable so I didn't have to "wear" them.  She accused me of wanting breast cancer, so maybe that's where this whole thing started.

edit: I also have often thought it would be cool if there were some kind of body part exchange program for trans people.  Like my breasts aren't bad breasts -- I can see how they are attractive, and it's a pity they can't go to someone who would appreciate them.
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