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Started by bemali, March 24, 2016, 08:30:44 PM

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bemali

Hi, I am new here and this is the only place I could have come to for advice. I will try to write as objectively as possible. Please, I need your advice.

I am a closeted cis lesbian. I come from a very conservative family and culture where LGBT issues are not only shunned but are completely avoided. I do have some level of dysphoria where I've felt that my life would have been better if I was born male, however, I do not have a desire or interest in transitioning or changing my current body.

A few weeks ago, I met this trans woman (pre-op) on a trans dating site. Let's call her Sarah. I was looking friends and she was looking for love. We started talking and hit it off pretty quickly. What drew me to her profile was that she talked about honesty and open communication being very important in the relationship that she was seeking. She also talked about being loyal and never cheating. She wanted someone to be in charge but also treat her as an equal. These are also qualities that I value in a partner and before we knew it, we were already talking commitment and possible relationship.

I am also anemic (iron deficiency) and disclosed this to Sarah. Sarah is vegan and has an aversion to eating meat and thought it would be best for me to find plant sources to raise my iron levels. She suggested a few ideas and I really thought that Sarah cared about me as she seemed to care about my health.

As we kept talking, I found out the following about Sarah:

1. Sarah is currently unemployed and gets checks monthly (less than $1,000) through the VA due to her depression.
2. Sarah has a roommate (Jennie). They met over a year ago. They were living with Jennie's friends until they both got kicked out by Jennie's friends. Sarah would not disclose the reason why they were kicked out.
3. Jennie is a non-op trans woman and works for an online customer service company and makes a little over $1,000 a month.
4. Sarah and Jennie found an abandoned two bed room apartment (no toilet, stove, running water, mold, holes and mice). Instead of renovating the apartment, the owner of the building decided to let them live in for free until they could save enough and move out.
5. Sarah has no family. They cut her off and she cut them off for being trans. Sarah has lived as a woman for the past eight years. She dresses as a woman, but has not done any surgeries and only went on HRT about 6 months ago. Jennie also had a falling out with her family, however, is slowly trying to reconcile with her parents.
6. Sarah dated many people in the past (male and female) and has a son, whose mother would not let near Sarah.
7. Sarah and Jennie only have one bed and they sleep together and have sex occasionally, however,according to Sarah they are not in a relationship.They are FWBs. Jennie has a girl that she likes and is trying to pursue.
8. Sarah wants to do SRS, calls herself a bottom and doesn't like to use her penis for penetration.

After we discussed the possibility of a relationship between us (we even went as far as discussing marriage and children):

1. Sarah changed her profile from looking for love to looking for friends and stopped HRT (to preserve semen for the kids). Yet our conversations shifted from talking about my health or trans issues to talking about sex. Sarah would text me during the day about how she anticipates having sex with me, feeling me and having kids together. Most of the time, we only talked about sex and pegging.
2. Sarah said that she told Jennie that she would stop having sex with Jennie and Jennie was very surprised to hear that considering Sarah's sexual nature.
3. Sarah and Jennie argue constantly and this is also what 50% of our conversation is about. They argue because Jennie eats meat and Sarah is vegan.
4.Sarah plans to move in with me in four months, but constantly complains about how hard it would be for her with no sex during those four months.
5. Sarah also always complains that nobody wants her and that she's depressed.

Lately we have not been seeing eye to eye.

1. I found out that if we get married, Sarah's SRS could be covered through my medical insurance. She could also receive electrolysis, access to a therapist and a lifetime supply of hormones. Yet, when we talk, Sarah only mentions how Jennie doesn't want to be her friend and how Jennie keeps Sarah at arm's length. How Sarah feels left out when Jennie is with her other female friends.

2. Sarah says that since we're not yet together and since we are so far apart (we live in different states), that it may be hard to not have sex with Jennie before she moves in with me. She can also understand if I wanted to explore with other people before we became committed. Yet, when I don't call, she resents me for it and feels that I might leave her.

3. I told Sarah that I did not have an interest in pursuing other people. Although I understand the situation because of her sexual urges, I would be happy if she did not have sex with Jennie. Sarah then tells me that she will not tell me if they had sex because it bothers me and that I shouldn't ask if they still have sex if bothers me.

4. Sarah has an issue with abortion and says that if it came between me and the baby, she would choose our unborn child over me.

5. Also because my family is conservative, I asked Sarah to de-transition during our wedding only for that day. I apologized as I know how hard this must be for her. I promised that we would have our own wedding where we were both ourselves. After the wedding, our private life was going to be our business and even if we did not have support from my family afterwards it was going to be fine as  long as we were there for each other.

4. Sarah then flipped on the phone and said she would be pissed if my family called her by her dead name and that I have the wrong impression about her depression.

I ended things amicably and cut contact. Did I overreact? Could it ever work between Sarah and I?
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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. I have very conservative values and have never been in any kind of relationship so I may be the last one to ask BUT, I tend to think you may have made the right decision. There are many difference between your likes, dislikes and values. Unless you can work out the differences I suspect your relationship would be short lived. Transgender doesn't even enter into the picture as it just the difference between the life that you and Sarah chose to live. I would suggest a very long time of getting to know each other before you make any type of permanent commitment if you decide to get back together again.

To make it work, both of you will need to give. After you have the new rules defined it will be a case of living with them and discovering any new differences that come to the surface. It will take a major commitment on both sides and at the moment, I am unsure just how far Sarah is willing to go.

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Marienz

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Quote from: bemali on March 24, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
Hi, I am new here and this is the only place I could have come to for advice. I will try to write as objectively as possible. Please, I need your advice.

I am a closeted cis lesbian. I come from a very conservative family and culture where LGBT issues are not only shunned but are completely avoided. I do have some level of dysphoria where I've felt that my life would have been better if I was born male, however, I do not have a desire or interest in transitioning or changing my current body.

A few weeks ago, I met this trans woman (pre-op) on a trans dating site. Let's call her Sarah. I was looking friends and she was looking for love. We started talking and hit it off pretty quickly. What drew me to her profile was that she talked about honesty and open communication being very important in the relationship that she was seeking. She also talked about being loyal and never cheating. She wanted someone to be in charge but also treat her as an equal. These are also qualities that I value in a partner and before we knew it, we were already talking commitment and possible relationship.

I am also anemic (iron deficiency) and disclosed this to Sarah. Sarah is vegan and has an aversion to eating meat and thought it would be best for me to find plant sources to raise my iron levels. She suggested a few ideas and I really thought that Sarah cared about me as she seemed to care about my health.

As we kept talking, I found out the following about Sarah:

1. Sarah is currently unemployed and gets checks monthly (less than $1,000) through the VA due to her depression.
2. Sarah has a roommate (Jennie). They met over a year ago. They were living with Jennie's friends until they both got kicked out by Jennie's friends. Sarah would not disclose the reason why they were kicked out.
3. Jennie is a non-op trans woman and works for an online customer service company and makes a little over $1,000 a month.
4. Sarah and Jennie found an abandoned two bed room apartment (no toilet, stove, running water, mold, holes and mice). Instead of renovating the apartment, the owner of the building decided to let them live in for free until they could save enough and move out.
5. Sarah has no family. They cut her off and she cut them off for being trans. Sarah has lived as a woman for the past eight years. She dresses as a woman, but has not done any surgeries and only went on HRT about 6 months ago. Jennie also had a falling out with her family, however, is slowly trying to reconcile with her parents.
6. Sarah dated many people in the past (male and female) and has a son, whose mother would not let near Sarah.
7. Sarah and Jennie only have one bed and they sleep together and have sex occasionally, however,according to Sarah they are not in a relationship.They are FWBs. Jennie has a girl that she likes and is trying to pursue.
8. Sarah wants to do SRS, calls herself a bottom and doesn't like to use her penis for penetration.

After we discussed the possibility of a relationship between us (we even went as far as discussing marriage and children):

1. Sarah changed her profile from looking for love to looking for friends and stopped HRT (to preserve semen for the kids). Yet our conversations shifted from talking about my health or trans issues to talking about sex. Sarah would text me during the day about how she anticipates having sex with me, feeling me and having kids together. Most of the time, we only talked about sex and pegging.
2. Sarah said that she told Jennie that she would stop having sex with Jennie and Jennie was very surprised to hear that considering Sarah's sexual nature.
3. Sarah and Jennie argue constantly and this is also what 50% of our conversation is about. They argue because Jennie eats meat and Sarah is vegan.
4.Sarah plans to move in with me in four months, but constantly complains about how hard it would be for her with no sex during those four months.
5. Sarah also always complains that nobody wants her and that she's depressed.

Lately we have not been seeing eye to eye.

1. I found out that if we get married, Sarah's SRS could be covered through my medical insurance. She could also receive electrolysis, access to a therapist and a lifetime supply of hormones. Yet, when we talk, Sarah only mentions how Jennie doesn't want to be her friend and how Jennie keeps Sarah at arm's length. How Sarah feels left out when Jennie is with her other female friends.

2. Sarah says that since we're not yet together and since we are so far apart (we live in different states), that it may be hard to not have sex with Jennie before she moves in with me. She can also understand if I wanted to explore with other people before we became committed. Yet, when I don't call, she resents me for it and feels that I might leave her.

3. I told Sarah that I did not have an interest in pursuing other people. Although I understand the situation because of her sexual urges, I would be happy if she did not have sex with Jennie. Sarah then tells me that she will not tell me if they had sex because it bothers me and that I shouldn't ask if they still have sex if bothers me.

4. Sarah has an issue with abortion and says that if it came between me and the baby, she would choose our unborn child over me.

5. Also because my family is conservative, I asked Sarah to de-transition during our wedding only for that day. I apologized as I know how hard this must be for her. I promised that we would have our own wedding where we were both ourselves. After the wedding, our private life was going to be our business and even if we did not have support from my family afterwards it was going to be fine as  long as we were there for each other.

4. Sarah then flipped on the phone and said she would be pissed if my family called her by her dead name and that I have the wrong impression about her depression.

I ended things amicably and cut contact. Did I overreact? Could it ever work between Sarah and I?
Hi
I think anything can work out between two people with love and acceptance:)
You are in the right place to learn things.
Sorry if I didn't answer all your questions directly:)
Only you will know if you over reacted and in general you will know that by that feeling inside you:)
If you have, maybe try and make it right so you feel okay?

Good luck:)
Marie


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PrincessButtercup

Run! Run as very far away as you can.

Based on the information provided, Sarah sounds very manipulative and self-centered. If this person were truly interested in a solid relationship with you then they wouldn't be telling you that they're going to have sex with someone else and forbid you from asking or from disclosing it. The fact that you're asking for validation of your decision tells me you subconsciously know it was the right thing to do, but need some reinforcement. So take this as my reinforcement that you've made the right choice.

If you need true validation, tell this person that you're insurance has changed and would no longer cover their treatments and see how they react. My guess is they suddenly lose interest in having a relationship with you.
Female since birth, female til death & an unquestionably inflexible heterosexual CIS female in between who happens to be married to a non-binary male who identifies as male.
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Colleen M

Ultimately, you're in a better position to have the final say on whether or not you did the right thing than we are.  When all is said and done, you have to do what makes you happy and is best for your future, and that's your decision and nobody else's.  I do think I can say that you've laid out a good framework for why breaking it off was no worse than reasonable.   
When in doubt, ignore the moral judgments of anybody who engages in cannibalism.
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Laura_7

From how you write you are a well organized person.

Do you crave a bit less of this, a creative and maybe less organized partner ?
You might integrate that into your personality ... maybe being more relaxed and less organized ...
just deducted from the writing style not sure if its true ...

You might visit lgbt centers ... they might help you come out ... if you want that ...
PFLAG could be another source ...

there are findings being gay has biological connections ... its not voluntary and no reputable source can state they can change it ...
so its nobodys fault and nothing to be ashamed of ... it simply is ...
gay and transgender people have been around in all cultures ...


my opinion...
producing offspring without knowing each other for a longer time is not a good recipe.


Transgender people often had adverse conditions which might leave scars and difficult behaviour.
So some treatment from a gender therapist and counselor may be helpful or necessary.
Is she kind of covered, or are her earnings enough ? Many counselors work on sliding scales.

Well she lives under adverse conditions she has kind of learned to adapt to.
There seems to be not much impulse control deducting from her sex life.
Maybe some kind of a creative outlet without much other activities ?

Imo she needs counseling but it not necessarily is your job to provide that.

Do you have a feeling after counseling it would turn out right ?
Or do you have a feeling you would rather look for a more stable partner and also work on your own issues ?

What does your intuition tell you ?


*hugs*
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Peep

It sounds like it would be a tough relationship to make it work, and that maybe she's getting more out of the relationship than you?
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Tessa James

Welcome Bemali and thank you for sharing such an open and honest post about whats going on with you.  I have no answers but want you to feel encouraged to share on these pages.  I admire your open attitude that allows you to consider transgender people worthy of your time and attention.  Sorry that your Sarah wasn't able to be as "loyal" as her intro suggested but we do know drama and chaos around here too ;D
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Laura_7

Helpful for iron deficiency might be a cast iron pan and using it often.
Getting a good one might be of advantage, the material might be more pure.
Some people use really old used ones.

It can be used for frying and cooking, with a lid.
During the process small particles are dissolved in the food. Its a form of iron which is easily integrated in the body.

Maybe not as only source of iron but it could really help.

There are a few foods which dissolve larger amounts, for example tomatoe sauces, or red cabbage.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast-iron_cookware
An American Dietetic Association study found that cast iron cookware can leach significant amounts of dietary iron into food. The amounts of iron absorbed varied greatly depending on the food, its acidity, its water content, how long it was cooked, and how old
the cookware is.


*hugs*
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sparrow

You absolutely were not wrong to end things.  This lady sounds like a total train wreck and I'd run far and fast.  One thing I want to say, though...

Quote from: bemali on March 24, 2016, 08:30:44 PM
5. Also because my family is conservative, I asked Sarah to de-transition during our wedding only for that day. I apologized as I know how hard this must be for her. I promised that we would have our own wedding where we were both ourselves. After the wedding, our private life was going to be our business and even if we did not have support from my family afterwards it was going to be fine as  long as we were there for each other.

I'd totally flip out.  Last time I went to a wedding and wasn't able to present as myself, I ended up hiding in a corner and crying my eyes out.  I simply cannot imagine doing that for my own wedding, even with the understanding that I was going through the motions just for family.  Total deal-breaker.

That said... you needed a deal-breaker!
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bemali

Thank you all so much for your responses. I tried to write as objectively as possible to make you all see the full picture and I am very appreciative of your advice as I was in limbo as to what I should do. Sarah seemed like a great person at first and I guess I was still hanging on to the image that she presented at first.
Quote from: sparrow on March 25, 2016, 03:42:48 PMI'd totally flip out.  Last time I went to a wedding and wasn't able to present as myself, I ended up hiding in a corner and crying my eyes out.  I simply cannot imagine doing that for my own wedding, even with the understanding that I was going through the motions just for family.  Total deal-breaker.That said... you needed a deal-breaker!
I guess you're right. From my part, it was perhaps wrong to suggest that we have two weddings. One where she can present as herself and one where she would have to hide. I can see how it triggered a reaction considering that she even cut off her own family because she refused to hide who she was. I just thought that we could work this out for a day as the partnership should be the most important aspect the relationship. I was prepared to give up so much in other aspects as well, such as being the sole bread-winner of the home and a constant emotional support to her depression. I just thought something as a dead name or previous identity would not matter as long as I knew and accepted that she is a woman, but I guess I was wrong.

Quote from: Laura_7 on March 25, 2016, 12:16:19 PM
Maybe some kind of a creative outlet without much other activities ?
Imo she needs counseling but it not necessarily is your job to provide that.Do you have a feeling after counseling it would turn out right ?Or do you have a feeling you would rather look for a more stable partner and also work on your own issues ?What does your intuition tell you ?
*hugs*
Thank you. At this point I don't feel that counseling would help. We started off as friends and only have been talking for three weeks, yet there has been more pain and turmoil than good feelings. I ended things amicably and said exactly as you suggest. I told her that perhaps it would be better for me to sort out my emotional needs and for her to sort out what she needs before we jumped into a relationship. She said that she understood that I needed to be happy and that she hoped that I find someone who could meet my needs. Yet, in less than two minutes, she went to her profile and re-wrote her whole intro about looking for love, honesty and sex but not without strings attached. I was very surprised and that action alone removed all the trust I had in her. I think that she is just looking for sexual gratification and security in terms of finances and a way to relieve her loneliness. I really don't believe she is serious about commitment.
One thing that she has added in her profile that she did not add before is that she is not excited about work because she does not like public places. This is very telling considering the fact that the VA would cut off her checks if she was married. I then also realized that if I fell sick while pregnant or after childbirth, we might not have a source of income for a while.
As for my own sexuality, though I care about my family, I am prepared for the backlash that will come if I fell for a woman. I understood this and also understood that even after the wedding, her gender identity will be hard to hide because the changes would be noticeable. She already has hair down to her butt. I am already independent and would not be as affected if my family rejected me for being gay. Simultaneously, I was very hopeful that they might come to accept and help us throughout our journey together because my family has endured harsher realities than sexuality. We always came through for each other. My mom professes that my happiness is more important than her life. I fell for Sarah as a person and as a woman. I just feel that I was prepared to give more than I could get from this relationship and that I was going to end up hurt - badly. I guess I need to assess and re-evaluate why I attracted someone like Sarah to my life to begin with.

Also thanks for the information about iron. I am trying my best to keep my levels up before trying to get pregnant as I do want kids.
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Laura_7

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Quote from: bemali on March 25, 2016, 05:44:59 PM

Also thanks for the information about iron. I am trying my best to keep my levels up before trying to get pregnant as I do want kids.

Well I'd say try to find a bit emotional stability ...
get healthy, eat healthy ... the cast iron pan should help ... and for exampe eggs or potatoes from a cast iron pan are really deliscious ...maybe they stick a bit in the pan until its really broken in but they are deliscious  :)

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I guess I need to assess and re-evaluate why I attracted someone like Sarah to my life to begin with.

Yes.
Try to find a few things within yourself ... you have already come so far ... try to integrate a few things ...
and then attract a partner who is a compliment ... two worlds who do not need each other but compliment each other.

As you describe it your parents should be supportive.

You might look up a few lgbt places if you feel like it.
And as said there is a biological explanation for being gay.
So no need to feel ashamed or whatever. It simply is, its a real preference, and its nobodys fault.
Try to do a few things you feel make you happy .. I'd say .


*hugs*
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JoanneB

I've been teetering on the edge of anemic all my life. "The Number" is as arbitrarily set just as daily intake of calories is. (Feed me 2000 kCal a day and I'll turn into a blimp in a month). But that all is just...... a red herring

TBH - Almost homeless person, phone and internet, dating site memberships, HRT. OK, maybe it all sort of makes sense these days. BUT, Don't you think you can find someone a bit (or a LOT) lower maintenance?

And this is from a gal with a tractor trailer load of self esteem, self image, and self worth issues.

IMHO - Ending whatever there was now is far better in the long run then ending it far later. Yes, She may be "The One". Odds are good she aint
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sparrow

On the topic of iron... I want to plug the Lucky Iron Fish.  It's a great way to get iron into your diet, and into that of somebody half a world away -- kinda like toms shoes, but for anemia. http://www.luckyironfish.com/
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