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Gendermutt

Quote from: jayne01I don't know what IBS is, but I'm guessing it is just an example you are using.

I have tried cross dressing a couple of times. All I see is a pathetic guy wearing a dress. I don't see anything feminine at all. I have shaved my legs a few times (easy to hide under long pants). I always get mixed feelings when u do that. At first I think I like it then I wonder what the hell am I doing and then regret doing it because it gets itchy as hell and I get shaving rashes. I don't wear any jewellery other than my wedding ring when I'm not at work (too dangerous to wear at work). I have tried wearing women's underpants, unless I make a conscious effort to think that I am wearing them, I don't even know they are there. I watch all kinds of movies with my wife, including chick flicks. Fragrance stores make both me and my wife feel sick. The smell is too overpowering. I rarely find myself in the company of women. All my work colleagues are male and I don't have any friends outside of work. The only women I see are my wife and family and strangers out in public. I often do find myself hearing groups of women talking and think to myself that if I was a woman I would not fit into their conversation at all.
IBS, or irritable bowel syndrome. bloating, cramping, pain, constipation or diarrhea are the most common symptoms. Usually caused by a food allergy or the body unable to properly process. Gluten is a big reason for IBS, lactose intolerance, the inability to digest dairy products. Other things can cause it as well. So, the only way to know what your body is having trouble with is to add and subtract foods to figure out what foods are causing the problem.

As for the crossdressing and other feminization you have attempted, I didn't ask you what you looked like, I asked you how you felt. Leg shaving, is shaving and being itchy and having rashes. It just takes practice like anything else, technique, skin care before and after.

I want to emphasize this as much as possible here.............  Because denial is a REAL strong thing. BUT- it could be part of your problem is that while you are likely somewhere in the transgender spectrum, you may not be a candidate for making a full transition to living as and becoming a woman physically.

All the things I mentioned in my post are things that when I encounter them, a sense of calm and comfort come over me. I feel I belong there. I feel those places are for me. Now, the Olfactics of both you and your wife make it hard to be able to be in high scented places. That happens. Mine are a bit sharper than many. My wife is a licensed hair dresser, although that is not her employment. She just keeps current and does family and friends to stay in practice. But OMG, I gag at the hair dye. Nail salons can be overpowering as well. I guess the reason why you see most of them, in the bigger ones anyway wearing masks. I would definitely have to. *sorry, tangent*

I suggested these things because how they make you feel. That is a strong indicator for many of us. I am very comfortable around the company of only women. I feel I fit in. And I tend to overhear the convos of women when in mixed company quite a bit. I do not post pics and do not spend hardly any time looking in the mirror. unless I am going to do a full transformation which is rare, what is the point?  I still primarily look like a guy with some women's clothing on. But I feel good wearing them. I feel right wearing them.

As I said, Denial can be unbelievably strong. You so much do not want to like these things, you can make yourself believe that you don't. Been there, done that. I used to hate, HATE the feeling of fingernails that were so much as even with my fingertips. Or so I thought. Now they are a little past the tips, and it does not bother me at all. I like them better long. And they can even be useful. Granted, I do not have a job that requires me to work hard with my hands.

Now, maybe a reason why you are having such difficulty with the whole trans thing is because you might possibly be in the dude in a dress club, otherwise known as simply a crossdresser. There are many more who are in the TG spectrum  who will dress and do other feminine forms of expression, and never transition. Never internally identify as a woman. And they are happy to be this way. They are male, live primarily as male, and occasionally hop over the gender fence once in a while, kinda like a vacation. Just take it all in once a while, then go back to being a regular guy.

I am not saying that is or isn't you. It could be you have so much denial going on that it is blocking you from exploring and enjoying feminine expression. You talk of dysphoria, and that itself comes with a lot of variations. I have none when it comes to my man parts. But body hair drives me insane. A couple days of stubble and I am shaving it. I hate the feeling of body hair. I think it looks gross on me, and it feels gross having it. Laser hair removal may be in my future some day. Shaving nearly my entire body 3 or 4 times a week is a PITA. but I will gladly do that to rid myself of my disgusting body hair.
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jayne01

Quote from: autumn08 on May 07, 2016, 04:07:48 AM

Since you want to be the opposite sex (you would if it didn't require anything of you and no one was bothered), you are by definition transgender, and the only way to improve your life in this area, is to placate your desires.


I don't want to be the opposite sex. I keep saying I want to be a normal guy. I don't want any of these dysphoria feelings and I don't want any of the thoughts that keep entering my head. I don't want any of that. I didn't ask for it, I don't desire it, I just want it gone!

I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier. My wife and I are currently in Sweden on holiday. To day we went for a drive, just the two of us through some really beautiful countryside. All day my mind was alternating between feeling perfectly OK being me (a guy) and then thinking I should be a female. It was alternating back and forth so often, sometimes only minutes would pass then the thoughts would switch. Everything I do I wonder if I feel male or female doing it. It is so utterly exhausting. How can I be trans when I feel just fine being a guy one minute and the next think I should be a girl. It is so confusing. I cannot make a decision about what I am. So far some kind of mental illness seems to be the best fit.
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jayne01

Quote from: Gendermutt on May 07, 2016, 10:06:38 AM

As for the crossdressing and other feminization you have attempted, I didn't ask you what you looked like, I asked you how you felt. Leg shaving, is shaving and being itchy and having rashes. It just takes practice like anything else, technique, skin care before and after.

Cross dressing makes me feel horrible. I feel like a guy wearing women's clothes, I look utterly ridiculous and it just makes me feel sick in the stomach.

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All the things I mentioned in my post are things that when I encounter them, a sense of calm and comfort come over me. I feel I belong there. I feel those places are for me.

I suggested these things because how they make you feel. That is a strong indicator for many of us. I am very comfortable around the company of only women. I feel I fit in. And I tend to overhear the convos of women when in mixed company quite a bit. I do not post pics and do not spend hardly any time looking in the mirror. unless I am going to do a full transformation which is rare, what is the point?  I still primarily look like a guy with some women's clothing on. But I feel good wearing them. I feel right wearing them.

I am not comfortable around people in general. I don't fit in when guys are in a group. I can't relate to any of the macho talk that goes on. It usually upsets me, because more often than not, conversations become focused on women and they talk about them as sex objects. I'm getting upset now just thinking about it. I don't often find myself with groups of women, but I don't relate to them either. I always feel like an outsider with any group.

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Now, maybe a reason why you are having such difficulty with the whole trans thing is because you might possibly be in the dude in a dress club, otherwise known as simply a crossdresser. There are many more who are in the TG spectrum  who will dress and do other feminine forms of expression, and never transition. Never internally identify as a woman. And they are happy to be this way. They are male, live primarily as male, and occasionally hop over the gender fence once in a while, kinda like a vacation. Just take it all in once a while, then go back to being a regular guy.

I am pretty sure that I am not a crossdresser. They are just clothes and don't change who I am. And as I mentioned above, crossdressing actually makes me feel worse about myself. Maybe I am trans. When i get the dysphoria, it is my body that feels wrong, not my clothes. But the feeling comes and goes and swings from one extreme to the other. It is so confusing. When the feeling is not there, I am totally convinced I am a guy and not trans in the slightest. When the dysphoria hits me, I wish I had a female body  and in my mind I think that I might be female,  then I would see my reflection in a window or mirror and see what I look like and who I actually am and I get thinking what an idiot I am. It confuses me immensely! I don't know what I am and cannot make any sense of it.
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JoanneB

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
How can I be trans when I feel just fine being a guy one minute and the next think I should be a girl. It is so confusing.
It's easy. I spent 40 years doing just that. "I want to be a NORMAL Guy... and a girl"

Try to stop thinking in binary terms. Doing so will only extend the war. Extend the confusion. You cannot erase who you were. What makes you the you you are today. You can also make adjustments to be a bit different, less confused, and happier you. Not doing anything is simply not going to change things.

Change comes from within.

That is of course you aren't harboring the same fantasy I had of being grabbed up and forced to be a woman. Take the decision out of my hands, PLEASE.

I realized several years ago I needed to find some way to get these two seemingly disparate aspects of myself to live in peace, rather then at war. It takes work. It takes help. I spent 40-50 years going it alone though I lived in the shadow of New York City.
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Gendermutt

Dual Gender or Gender fluid falls into the category of transgender btw. Maybe you just have both as part of your core. I do. When I let the female side loose internally, she caused a lot of havoc in my head for awhile. She still does lol. She basically was having a giant sorority party in my head when I set her free.
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jayne01

OMG!! I am having trouble with simple binary male/female. I know there is a whole spectrum of non binary, but I have been deliberately trying to avoid going there. If being binary transgender (is that a correct term) is difficult, non binary or gender fluid must be so much more difficult. Thinking about it makes my head spin.
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autumn08

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I don't want to be the opposite sex. I keep saying I want to be a normal guy. I don't want any of these dysphoria feelings and I don't want any of the thoughts that keep entering my head. I don't want any of that. I didn't ask for it, I don't desire it, I just want it gone!

I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier. My wife and I are currently in Sweden on holiday. To day we went for a drive, just the two of us through some really beautiful countryside. All day my mind was alternating between feeling perfectly OK being me (a guy) and then thinking I should be a female. It was alternating back and forth so often, sometimes only minutes would pass then the thoughts would switch. Everything I do I wonder if I feel male or female doing it. It is so utterly exhausting. How can I be trans when I feel just fine being a guy one minute and the next think I should be a girl. It is so confusing. I cannot make a decision about what I am. So far some kind of mental illness seems to be the best fit.

We're both talking about gender dysphoria, but you're adding extra layers on top of it, because you think it's wrong for you to want to be the opposite sex. By saying you want to be a normal guy, you're saying you want to stop wanting to be the opposite sex (again, its not possible, so stop wasting time with that label). By saying you have a mental illness, you're saying a part of you wants to be the opposite sex and you're labeling that part with a transphobic term.

For the last 8 months, I think your therapists have been trying to convince you that your wanting to be female is a good thing and you should accept it. Since you're at an impasse with this standard approach (helping the patient want what they want), I recommend you try the backwards approach, which is to give yourself what you want before you want it. Starting low-dose HRT may not completely cure your internalized-transphobia, may not be enough to mollify your gender dysphoria, and may not create a similar relief that many who try this approach experience, but at least jumping in the water, flailing around for a little while and then hopefully realizing your feet can touch the ground should reduce your cognitive dissonance ("I want to be female, a male wanting to be female isn't wrong, but its wrong for me to want to be female").

P.S. Your reply to Gendermutt (#242) reads like a classic example of gender dysphoria impeded by internalized-transphobia.
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jayne01

I came across some new information today (new to me at least). I have lots of fatty lumps under my skin which I was told by a doctor many years ago is Dercum's Disease. It sounds worse than it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiposis_dolorosa

Apart from not looking very good and the occasional mild pain/discomfort, the lipomas are quite harmless. Today I was feeling a bit of that pain and discomfort which prompted me to do a Google search on Dercum's Disease. I learnt that some of the symptoms are emotional instability, depression, confusion. I did not know that? And now I am wondering if maybe that is what I am feeling instead of anything gender related.

When I return home, I will go see my GP to confirm the symptoms on Wikipedia are correct and apply to me and also get her opinion on these lipoma lumps.

Anyone here ever heard of anything like this?
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autumn08

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
I came across some new information today (new to me at least). I have lots of fatty lumps under my skin which I was told by a doctor many years ago is Dercum's Disease. It sounds worse than it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiposis_dolorosa

Apart from not looking very good and the occasional mild pain/discomfort, the lipomas are quite harmless. Today I was feeling a bit of that pain and discomfort which prompted me to do a Google search on Dercum's Disease. I learnt that some of the symptoms are emotional instability, depression, confusion. I did not know that? And now I am wondering if maybe that is what I am feeling instead of anything gender related.

When I return home, I will go see my GP to confirm the symptoms on Wikipedia are correct and apply to me and also get her opinion on these lipoma lumps.

Anyone here ever heard of anything like this?

I've never heard of a correlation between Dercum's Disease and Gender Dysphoria, but your missing the point that what is afflicting you and what your therapist are really treating is internalized-transphobia (your belief that is it wrong for you to want to be the opposite sex). Wanting to be female is equivalent to wanting to be male, but since you want to female, it is a good thing for you to want to be female, because this desire is inseparably linked to your self-worth, and placating this desire is inseparably linked to your happiness.
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jayne01

Quote from: autumn08 on May 07, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
I've never heard of a correlation between Dercum's Disease and Gender Dysphoria, but your missing the point that what is afflicting you and what your therapist are really treating is internalized-transphobia (your belief that is it wrong for you to want to be the opposite sex). Wanting to be female is equivalent to wanting to be male, but since you want to female, it is a good thing for you to want to be female, because this desire is inseparably linked to your self-worth, and placating this desire is inseparably linked to your happiness.

But I don't want to be female. I want to be male. I am a male. These thoughts and feelings I have are not something I want. Why would I start going down a path that will cause me to have more of what I do not want. You keep saying that I want to be female. I do not.
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Gendermutt

Nice try, but no where does it have anything about gender dyspohoria as a symptom. Jayne, I promise, I remember feeling some of the same things. I used to pray to the big man to make it stop. I tried so hard. I overcompensated often, trying to flush the girl out of my system. I would ignore it. I often believed I slayed the feminine beast, but she would rise up from the ashes of my anti trans assault. I remember when I initially raised the white (or would it be pink) flag. I had had enough. What you say about how feeling masculine literally one minute then feminine the next. I remember rolling through a grocery store, just  weeks into my new acceptance. Feeling in a fem zone. Then came check out time. A really heavy bag, the girl check out person struggling with it, then BAM, in comes mr masculine and I lifted the bag with "apparant" ease. psst- it was heavy hehe. Stuff like that would make my head spin. I remember driving to work early on, thinking what the hell ARE you thinking, nothing good will come of this, you have your wife upset and scared. You aren't going to transition, why are you doing this?  By the afternoon when I would get home before my wife would, I couldn't wait to get into some girl clothes.

Acceptance takes time. You are thinking way too far ahead. All you need to do right now is just be ok with the fact that internally you are not like most other men. It is a human condition, being feminine. Most of the time it is women who are feminine. You are just among the rare one that happens to be born male.

Yes, there are times I wish I was a woman. Times I wish no one gave a crap about any of it. There are times where I don't think about it at all. As this is a transgender board, I speak mostly of issues with gender and my femininity, but I do have a life as a man too. There are times today when it is only that. At work, around my kids, family. Early on I did obsess on everything. Now, not nearly as much. I often will do something now and my wife will giggle or roll her eyes, depending on her mood because I did something very girly like. And I won't even recognize I am doing it. I was watching car racing not too long ago, and my wife is like oh, are you feeling all masculine right now?  Nope, not really, I just like car racing.
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autumn08

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 05:00:27 PM
But I don't want to be female. I want to be male. I am a male. These thoughts and feelings I have are not something I want. Why would I start going down a path that will cause me to have more of what I do not want. You keep saying that I want to be female. I do not.

You want to be female, but you don't want to want to be female.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I don't want to be the opposite sex. I keep saying I want to be a normal guy. I don't want any of these dysphoria feelings and I don't want any of the thoughts that keep entering my head. I don't want any of that. I didn't ask for it, I don't desire it, I just want it gone!

I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier. My wife and I are currently in Sweden on holiday. To day we went for a drive, just the two of us through some really beautiful countryside. All day my mind was alternating between feeling perfectly OK being me (a guy) and then thinking I should be a female. It was alternating back and forth so often, sometimes only minutes would pass then the thoughts would switch. Everything I do I wonder if I feel male or female doing it. It is so utterly exhausting. How can I be trans when I feel just fine being a guy one minute and the next think I should be a girl. It is so confusing. I cannot make a decision about what I am. So far some kind of mental illness seems to be the best fit.

A couple of years ago I spent therapy sessions and time in these forums saying exactly what you said about not wanting this. All I wanted was to be normal. I wanted the feelings gone forever. Eventually those thoughts changed to just needing to know which way to go, something that produced the same results for me as for you, i.e. you alone have to make that decision. So frustrating!

I did tons of research on the topic. I even resorted to those stupid worthless quizzes. I wondered if I was actually gay because I couldn't get my head around separating gender from sexuality. Every place I turned, the answer was that a cis person would not be asking these questions. But I still wasn't convinced. I thought that because I liked to analyze things, maybe I was really cis and just overanalyzed it to the point of asking this question. Maybe everybody had these thoughts and they just never acted on them.

I found some videos online that asked therapist style questions to help determine if I needed to transition. After going through a bunch of them, I was sure I did actually need to. But I was terrified and I felt like I looked ridiculous in women's clothes. I was even too afraid to wear a pair of women's jeans in public. Turns out guys really are totally oblivious and don't notice that kind of stuff though.

My thoughts used to go back and forth yearly, then monthly, then weekly. When I got to daily, that's when I made my decision. One day I would feel like I had no need to transition and I was totally cured. The next day I'd be freaking out wondering how I came to that conclusion the day before. Eventually I realized that I would always have this confusion as long as I didn't try to do the transition because I would never know for sure without it. That was the day I accepted myself as trans. It was also the day my confusion cleared up. It cleared up so much that I wondered if it was possible to spend your entire life clinically depressed and not know about it.

There were some other factors for me. I was wishing for death for my entire life, but never had the guts to actually do anything. Shortly before I made that decision to transition, I hit my breaking point where I started to put together plans for ways to let me leave this world behind. Prior to starting my transition attempt, I feared nothing. Now that I'm in the middle of it, I value life in a way I never have in my entire life. After a few months I started HRT and it made me feel even better than accepting myself had. I was ever so slowly starting to not see a guy in the mirror anymore and it was euphoric. A few months after that I went full time, telling everybody I know including work.  I've had my moments of doubt along the way, but I need only remember how close I was to doing something I never thought I would prior to making this change and it keeps me moving forward.
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JoanneB

Nobody WANTS to be Transgender
Nobody WANTS brain cancer
Nobody WANTS to be paralyzed
And the list goes on....

I have a LOT of internalized transphobia. This 6ft tall big ugly bastard! NFW! Been there tried it twice. When I was younger all I saw was "Some guy in a dress". It took years of work to now say "Damn, not bad for an old bat". I still do not want to be trans. Yet I am. I also primarily live and present as male. Primarily because I do not Need to transition. When I started therapy it was absolutely off the table. Today I want to, but.... Not worth it. What do I gain? What might I loose. I have joy in my life now.

By definition your birth gender was male. You almost obsess about being a woman. You DO NOT want to actually do it, but.....

So what does that make you?  Simply TG

You Do Not have to decide to show up to work in the morning in a dress to remedy the situation. There is a universe between cis-female and cis-male to explore. To find peace. Perhaps even find happiness.

Only one person can say "This is a nice planet to spend some time on". That person likely doesn't have a lot of letters after their name.
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Gertrude

Quote from: jayne01 on April 12, 2016, 11:22:37 PM
Hello. I have been reading through this forum trying to find a solution to my twisted sick mind and I cannot find anything. I have spend thousands of dollars seeing 4 different therapists (3 of them with extensive trans experience) over the past 6-8 months and it seems I am no better off now than before I started.

The only thing I have been able to determine from this forum and my therapists is that I am the only one who can determine if I am trans or not. I am not even confident in making the right decision about what I want to eat for lunch, how can I possibly be qualified to decide something as incredibly huge and life changing as whether or not I am transgender.

My whole life I have lived with people second guessing every decision I have ever made. I have no confidence whatsoever in myself when it comes to making any kind of decision. There is no medical test I can take to determine if I am trans. How can I possibly know? I feel like a total freak, a Frankenstein, an abomination. The only thing I'm reasonably certain of is that I should have ever been born.

How do you know for certain you are trans?

J

A therapist should be able to confirm this. Mine did. The real question is, what are you going to do about it? In the end, it's up to use to live an authentic life. It's either yes or no. I love my therapist, but going to her doesn't help in terms of my being trans per se, but how I feel about it in my daily goings on and how to navigate the land mines. We are what we are. When we make the choice to be our true selves, the real work begins. Happiness takes work. I think. :)
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Gertrude

Quote from: jayne01 on May 07, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I don't want to be the opposite sex. I keep saying I want to be a normal guy. I don't want any of these dysphoria feelings and I don't want any of the thoughts that keep entering my head. I don't want any of that. I didn't ask for it, I don't desire it, I just want it gone!

I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier. My wife and I are currently in Sweden on holiday. To day we went for a drive, just the two of us through some really beautiful countryside. All day my mind was alternating between feeling perfectly OK being me (a guy) and then thinking I should be a female. It was alternating back and forth so often, sometimes only minutes would pass then the thoughts would switch. Everything I do I wonder if I feel male or female doing it. It is so utterly exhausting. How can I be trans when I feel just fine being a guy one minute and the next think I should be a girl. It is so confusing. I cannot make a decision about what I am. So far some kind of mental illness seems to be the best fit.

Who we are is in between our ears, not between our legs or what society tells us we should be. What might be happening is that your conscious mind is fighting the unconscious mind, meaning the true self exists under the mask that you wear every day as a man and it wants to get out. For me, when I admitted that I am a woman in my mind, a lot of bad things went away. Now if I can work it out with my wife, I think I will be a very happy person. I will also tell you that as you get older, it'll be harder to "fight this feeling" you have inside. The truth wants to get out.
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Rebecca

I seem to be in a minority here but I do WANT to be transgender. It is part of who I am. What I like, how I feel, I just am and if offered a cure to be "normal guy" I would scream and run as fast as I could.

Even if offered to be born female which I would love I'd refuse as I have made 3 wonderful children with my wife. So yes I do WANT to be trans but enough about me.

You have gone to great lengths telling us how you are not trans but lay claim to dysphoria. All the rejections would be considered thinking like a "normal guy".

Given how much you say you wish you were "normal" ok you've convinced me you are just a "normal guy" so gratz.

But I would have to ask how does your dysphoria manifest?

Also what convinces you so much that you are actually trans given everything feminine repulses you?

If you want told what to do here it is...

1. Get a hormone test
2. If low T get T
3. If normal T try E
4. Tell us how feel after a month or 3

If you feel better on T you're "cured".
If you feel better on E then yeah you are wired female physically and get yourself a trans label.

Either way you will have "proof" following direct physical tests with binary results.
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Emileeeee

Quote from: Jerrica on May 07, 2016, 07:16:51 PM
I seem to be in a minority here but I do WANT to be transgender. It is part of who I am. What I like, how I feel, I just am and if offered a cure to be "normal guy" I would scream and run as fast as I could.

That's how I feel after achieving self acceptance because any "cure" would require removing such a core part of my being, that I wouldn't even be me anymore and that's not worth it.
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ryokohimura

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 07, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
That's how I feel after achieving self acceptance because any "cure" would require removing such a core part of my being, that I wouldn't even be me anymore and that's not worth it.
Agree with this whole heartedly. And with Jerrica.
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autumn08

Quote from: ryokohimura on May 07, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
Agree with this whole heartedly. And with Jerrica.

So do I. I think this state is the cure that we all initially set out to find, and I really hope Jayne finds it.
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