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Started by AmandaDanielle, May 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM

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AmandaDanielle

I have been out and fulltime now for 3 weeks. Let me tell you, anyone that says that this does not take courage should be horse whipped. This is the most mentally taxing thing I've ever done and I programmed for years! I have had to draw so deep within for the strength to get through the day. Even leaving my office is a process. I am sure it will pass with time but, WOW!

I find myself getting caught up in the "I care what others think" way too much. I have to reset my brain when that occurs and push out of it. Doing my job serves as a chore. Going to meetings. Answering my phone. (To which I am petrified to do) Answering email... essentially coming out to everyone I send an email too. Over and over and over again!! As long as I stay focused on the "I Don't care" mantra, I am fine. When things happen that I inadvertently read too much into, I can't help but get trapped.I know I am awkward right now and if I am awkward how must my co workers feel?

I have run into mostly supportive people at work but it still surprises me that the people that didn't seem to mind when I first came out are the problematic ones. I wouldn't have guessed that they would have any issue, but alas they do. I have been noticing passive aggressive ways of insulting and lashing out at me. Some are referring to me as only my last name because they refuse to address me as Amanda. They never did it before and it's so irritating!! I expected this but encountering it is far worse than imagining it.

Why is when you first come out to someone they seem to act accommodating dare I say supportive but as time passes or they see you as your true self they flip? It is truly confusing!

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suzifrommd

Quote from: AmandaDanielle on May 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
Why is when you first come out to someone they seem to act accommodating dare I say supportive but as time passes or they see you as your true self they flip? It is truly confusing!

Some people are afraid to tell their true feelings to your face. Other people may not fully understand what a transition is until they see it.

I think there are people that imagine that we'll just be the same people but walk around with women's clothes, jewelry, and hairstyles. When they find out we actually ARE women, it blows their circuits in ways that the theoretical does not.
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AmandaDanielle

Quote from: suzifrommd on May 02, 2016, 05:45:39 PM
Some people are afraid to tell their true feelings to your face. Other people may not fully understand what a transition is until they see it.

I think there are people that imagine that we'll just be the same people but walk around with women's clothes, jewelry, and hairstyles. When they find out we actually ARE women, it blows their circuits in ways that the theoretical does not.
That is actually very intuitive!! Thank you so much! I can totally understand the circuit anology. That's how they act too, like there cpu just crashed!!

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JoanneB

Quote from: AmandaDanielle on May 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
Why is when you first come out to someone they seem to act accommodating dare I say supportive but as time passes or they see you as your true self they flip? It is truly confusing!
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Rebecca

Your courage is admirable and it sounds like it has been far from plain sailing.

People are very tricky to reprogram from static names to predictive visuals (calling you the same name and expecting to see what they are used to seeing regardless of what is there).

More cowardly than yourself I am working on changing people from calling me Gerard to Gerry in preparation of Jerri.
Even that change is hard to get people to stick with as old habits have been burned into them over 10 years.
I already am Jerrica in every way except name but they can't see it somehow it's kinda funny.

Can only imagine how much their confusion and thoughts are interfering with your own.
Downside of being a good reader it's hard to keep them out of your head at times or for people to hide their real thoughts from you.

Sounds like you are doing amazing and hopefully things will settle down as people fix their own heads.
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HappyMoni

Dear Amanda,
If you can draw any strength from those of us who understand and are pulling for you please do. You have done something that none of the people giving you a hard time have the courage to do. Remember, you are doing the right thing. I think it will get easier. This Fall I will be in your position. I am nervous. Reading your post helps make it real for me. I will try to focus on the supporters, but I know there will be some tough days, perhaps a lot of them. I don't know about you, but it is not in my nature to not care what people think. The hard times are what we go through to get a thicker skin, I guess. Best of luck!
Moni
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Emileeeee

Quote from: AmandaDanielle on May 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
I have been out and fulltime now for 3 weeks. Let me tell you, anyone that says that this does not take courage should be horse whipped. This is the most mentally taxing thing I've ever done and I programmed for years! I have had to draw so deep within for the strength to get through the day. Even leaving my office is a process. I am sure it will pass with time but, WOW!

I find myself getting caught up in the "I care what others think" way too much. I have to reset my brain when that occurs and push out of it. Doing my job serves as a chore. Going to meetings. Answering my phone. (To which I am petrified to do) Answering email... essentially coming out to everyone I send an email too. Over and over and over again!! As long as I stay focused on the "I Don't care" mantra, I am fine. When things happen that I inadvertently read too much into, I can't help but get trapped.I know I am awkward right now and if I am awkward how must my co workers feel?

It gets easier. At first I didn't know how people were seeing me and it made me nervous, especially around the people that have that look about them that says they've done hardcore labor work all their lives and can stomp me into the ground at a moments notice. But that fear was coming out in my behaviors and it was also affecting my voice. My voice has started to sound better, but when I get nervous, it slips back into the really deep one. I focus more on the fake it till you make it technique and it works. Just keeping my head up, making eye contact with people I speak to and not making eye contact with people in the general area, has made a huge difference. I don't feel the prying eyes anymore.

I've also spent more time really paying attention to women with more focus than I ever had in the past. There are a lot that have much deeper voices than my girl voice, which isn't even in the female pitch range. There are many that don't even remotely sound like the female sing song voice. I realized I have coworkers that repeatedly get gendered male on the phone and they've been women their entire lives. Not all of them sway their hips. Not all of them use makeup. Not all of them know how to do their hair. The fact that there were so many women that seemed more masculine than me, really helped with my confidence too.


Quote from: AmandaDanielle on May 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
I have run into mostly supportive people at work but it still surprises me that the people that didn't seem to mind when I first came out are the problematic ones. I wouldn't have guessed that they would have any issue, but alas they do. I have been noticing passive aggressive ways of insulting and lashing out at me. Some are referring to me as only my last name because they refuse to address me as Amanda. They never did it before and it's so irritating!! I expected this but encountering it is far worse than imagining it.

Why is when you first come out to someone they seem to act accommodating dare I say supportive but as time passes or they see you as your true self they flip? It is truly confusing!

The same thing happened to me too. Almost everybody was initially supportive. Within a month about 50% of them (out of around 150) either stopped talking to me or tried to cure me. Four months after I started hormones, I told work. That was about 3 months ago. Nobody skipped a beat with talking to me and immediately switched to using the new name, but I'm a remote worker, so who knows what they talk about when I'm not in the office. Even there I had people show more support than I expected, then say things to other people that made me feel like they were complaining about me, but trying to make it sound like they were supportive. They're on my team, so it's hard to get away from them.

About a year after I told everybody, I've lost 2 friends. One just stopped talking to me altogether and the other layed into me about my mental illness and how much of an idiot I am for doing this, spouting off "facts" that weren't even related to the community. And believe it or not, it was an atheist, so religion had nothing to do with it. Meanwhile this same former friend has a drug and alcohol problem, but I'm the burden to society.

I also read an article about this recently that talked about how often this initial support, then taking it away dynamic happens. It's like they think they're being nice, but it crushes you more the way they do it. If they had just said no right in the beginning, I would have been fine because I was prepared for it. It was the get me to trust them and let my guard down so they can stomp on my feelings later that hurt so much. I always thought I was strong enough to do this without support, but this dynamic made me realize that I would not have been able to get through it without someone to talk to.







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HappyMoni

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 03, 2016, 08:34:48 AM
The same thing happened to me too. Almost everybody was initially supportive. Within a month about 50% of them (out of around 150) either stopped talking to me or tried to cure me.



I also read an article about this recently that talked about how often this initial support, then taking it away dynamic happens.

Emileeeee,
Were you sure they stopped talking to you in a negative sense? Sometimes people just get on with business. For me, I am finding a lot of people don't talk a lot unless I am in more of a one on one situation. Of course, I am not presenting female yet either. Are they "rude?"
Do you remember the article?
Thanks!
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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Emileeeee

Quote from: HappyMoni on May 03, 2016, 11:11:32 AM
Emileeeee,
Were you sure they stopped talking to you in a negative sense? Sometimes people just get on with business. For me, I am finding a lot of people don't talk a lot unless I am in more of a one on one situation. Of course, I am not presenting female yet either. Are they "rude?"
Do you remember the article?
Thanks!
Moni

I'm sure. It's one entire side of my family. We still to this day do full family dinners for every major holiday and I stopped getting invited last year when I started my transition. I can't even get responses to texts, emails, or phone calls. It was like we love you, we love you, we love you, haha fooled you.

I read so many articles about this stuff now, I'm not even sure. I know it was within the last week, so I might be able to find it.
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