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Started by The Saint, May 07, 2016, 11:24:13 AM

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The Saint

So when I first told my SO that I wanted to transition she seemed okay with it, the other day we where hanging out and she just broke down into tears and told me she didn't want me to. Which is understandable, I did what I could to address her concerns and ultimately decided to not transition. We also talked about things she would feel comfortable with me as far as dressing and mannerisms but she never really responded. Last night I asked her again and she basically told me she wouldn't feel comfortable with any of it as well as not being attracted to women.

Again this is all understandable from her point of view. However is has made me feel very trapped and now I must basically choose to live a fake life with the person I love or leave the person I love to live life who I am and who I'm supposed to be. Any thoughts, because I could really use the help...
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CrazyCatMan

I had to break up with my boyfriend when I came out, it was hard and a shame but he was strictly straight and wasn't attracted to men. I think it was for the best in the end, he has a girlfriend he loves very much now and I am working towards transitioning which makes me happy. it is ultimately up too you, but i think you should do what makes you happy.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: The Saint on May 07, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
However is has made me feel very trapped and now I must basically choose to live a fake life with the person I love or leave the person I love to live life who I am and who I'm supposed to be. Any thoughts, because I could really use the help...

Are you really going to be any good to her as someone who feels like you must put on an act to keep her?

You can't control whether she ultimately accepts you as you are. Putting on an act is an attempt to "fool" her into staying with you.

That is a soul-destroying way to live. Dozens of people on this site will tell you the same.

In the end, she is going to either accept you as you are or she will leave. You can't make her do one or the other. It is up to her. What is up to you is how much angst and stress you both will have in the meantime.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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The Saint

Well I'm really on the fence, I am more then willing to not transition but to don't be able to feel more comfortable in changing my mannerisms and dressing more feminine kinda takes me back. It seems most of you are older and married so I was just curious. Am I really in the wrong to expect to be loved regardless of my femininity?   
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suzifrommd

Quote from: The Saint on May 07, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
Am I really in the wrong to expect to be loved regardless of my femininity?

No, not wrong, but it is entirely up to the person doing the loving, right?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Rachel

I would look very very hard at how you will survive being trans and not transitioning as you get older. Will you resent your SO and will the resentment grow in time?

My life choices have me at my present state. I love my daughter, now 18, and my wife, soon to be ex. In some ways I wish I had chosen other choices and in some ways I am glad for the experiences I had. Perhaps if I chose another path I would have found happiness and avoided all the pain and suffering along the way.
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PrincessButtercup

When my husband came out to me that he's trans, I was upfront that I married a man, I like men, I will never find intimacy with a female body anything less than repulsive and will never do it. At the same time I told him to do what makes him happy. He's not transitioning, partly because of me, mostly because he's discovered he's actually gender fluid. He wears panties some (most) days. He has a drawer full of women's lingerie that he occasionally wears, along with several pairs of shoes. Sometimes he has polished nails (fingers & toes). He has a few outfits that he's never worn because he knows I'll tolerate it, but never accept it let alone allow him to touch me dressed like that. I'm about as straight, heterosexual, gender inflexible as they come. Is the situation perfect for either of us? No. Does it work for us? So far yes it does. Will that change in the future? Maybe. The point is, if you want to stay together, then both of you have to give up some things and learn to tolerate others. Truly, that's no different than how most relationships work anyway.
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JoanneB

The sad reality is is that people will say the right thing because it is expected of them. You know the drill, doing what is expected. But, as the harsh reality of life with a trans SO slowly sinks in......

My wife was always accepting of gender issues, to a point. I had settled on being just a CD. I had no hope of being/doing anything more. When I dropped the T-Bomb she was far from thrilled. Today she is still not thrilled over a possible future. She is also a lot more accepting thanks to all the positive changes in my life, hence ours.

Just as I cannot cannot ask my wife to stay no matter what, she cannot ask me to stop. In fact, during many a WTF am I doing meltdowns she flat out said Do Not dare stop for me. Which in time became you know you cannot stop.

Her decision to stay, or go is her's alone. My decision to live as a male, do HRT, present as female when I can is mine. We both balance our personal needs against those of the US. A relationship is a partnership. Both have to be willing to put in the work for some net benefit. If one party sees no possible benefit, there is no relationship.

BTW - The realist in me says; The cat is out of the bag. If she was going to split, you going back to deep stuffing mode will only delay it. By doing that 'for her' some resentment is bound to come out.

I credit a lot of very hard, difficult, and gut wrenching discussions has helped my wife and I ride out the T-Bombing. Communication is key. Net positive changes help. I still hear "I did not marry a woman" "I like how men make me feel" "Rubber doesn't do it for me" etc. Just not as often
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Laura_7

Here are a few resources that might help explain:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,208438.msg1847638.html#msg1847638

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,208438.msg1847661.html#msg1847661

You might talk it through with an experienced gender therpist. They might help find out what you want.

There are also online therapists.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,187135.0.html


Its a step by step process. It might be possible to talk and say changes do not happen overnight.


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Jacqueline

Quote from: Rachel Lynn on May 07, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
I would look very very hard at how you will survive being trans and not transitioning as you get older. Will you resent your SO and will the resentment grow in time?

My life choices have me at my present state. I love my daughter, now 18, and my wife, soon to be ex. In some ways I wish I had chosen other choices and in some ways I am glad for the experiences I had. Perhaps if I chose another path I would have found happiness and avoided all the pain and suffering along the way.

I was about to write almost everything Rachel Lynn just wrote.

My wife was the one who during a tearful discussion brought resentment up. I had said, I had made it this far without any movement. Couldn't I just stick it out. She stopped and said, "You will come to resent me. We love each other but you have to do this. Even if it means we can't be together romantically anymore. You will always be my best friend". She was right. I would come to resent her.

I hope you find the right path(not always or ever the easy way).

With warmth,

Joanna
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The Saint

Thanks for all the insight! My SO has been fairly understanding with it all, its just a hard line of what makes me happy and how she feels about those things. After talking a bit more, its not so much she would be uncomfortable with me CDing but more the fact that she feels that she would feel less attractive. Aside from a fairly masculine face I have a very feminine body type. I do wear panties all the time its very comfortable as well as bras at home. In fact she was the who introduced me to them as well as yoga pants (worn as PJ's and never outside the bedroom) yet I still feel like I need more femininity in my life. If that makes any sense what so ever.

Sorry if the post seems clustered and what not, just lots of things going on in the old noodle at the moment.
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Claire

I'm trying to figure this out right now. Is our lives together (25+ years) more important than moving forward. Also, is the 'traditional' path to transition really what I need or simply somehow the way it's supposed to be done. Would the pain I would feel losing her be worse than what I would feel staying pretty much where I am? I know what the latter feels like. I'm not sure I could handle the former.


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The Saint

Quote from: dori on May 07, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
I'm trying to figure this out right now. Is our lives together (25+ years) more important than moving forward. Also, is the 'traditional' path to transition really what I need or simply somehow the way it's supposed to be done. Would the pain I would feel losing her be worse than what I would feel staying pretty much where I am? I know what the latter feels like. I'm not sure I could handle the former.


Claire (née Dori)

Right?! For me I just can't wrap my head around it... I think I would rather be where I'm at not rather then move forward to transition. Yet at the same time the urge is very strong, I don't know how long I can keep her locked away...
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Emileeeee

Mine didn't pan out that way, but I did plan for it. It's not an easy decision to make either. How would you feel if she wasn't there in 30 years and you still hadn't done this? Would you be able to handle knowing that you wanted to transition, but chose not to for her and now you don't have her anymore? If she accepts you, it's all of you, not just the parts she's okay with seeing.
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The Saint

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 07, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
Mine didn't pan out that way, but I did plan for it. It's not an easy decision to make either. How would you feel if she wasn't there in 30 years and you still hadn't done this? Would you be able to handle knowing that you wanted to transition, but chose not to for her and now you don't have her anymore? If she accepts you, it's all of you, not just the parts she's okay with seeing.

So basically your saying either she loves me or doesn't love me regardless of who/what I am?
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Emileeeee

I'm not trying to be mean and say anything harmful, but what you wrote in your original post sounded like you were sacrificing your own happiness for hers. How many compromises will it take for her to be happy with you? I just feel like you both need to put your feelings on the table and it sounded like hers were the only ones being taken into account.
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The Saint

Quote from: Emileeeee on May 07, 2016, 06:23:31 PM
I'm not trying to be mean and say anything harmful, but what you wrote in your original post sounded like you were sacrificing your own happiness for hers. How many compromises will it take for her to be happy with you? I just feel like you both need to put your feelings on the table and it sounded like hers were the only ones being taken into account.

Ah okay, I see what you mean now. Honestly that is how I feel about it. As much as I want her to be happy, I just want to be happy too, and for the most part I am. I do have a few off days a week where I just really want/need to be the girl I know I am.

I cant tell the future, I all I know is I know I need to start transitioning, sooner rather then later... That being said I cant see myself getting GRS but who knows... I do however loath not having a female form, because I know what I am supposed to be. Simple as that. I know I can't change her stance on her personal sexuality and that's not what I want, but communicating doesn't seem to be working either.

I have even talked with my parents about all of this (as of last night) and they both agree they could care less what I do all that matters is what makes me happy in live. Which (I really never expected to get an answer like that) felt amazing to be honest. Yet I feel the urge to transition even more now because of it...

Life = Totally difficult...
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Gertrude

Boy, I know where you are coming from. I've been married for over 21 years and my wife knew that I was a CD before we married. We went to a gender therapist then and worked it out, sort of. Like most of us, it comes and goes in cycles, we buy clothes, purge them, etc. The kids came along quickly and we now have 5 kids. I told her at the time we got married that I wasn't going any further, but in the last year I find I can't live with myself anymore. I started seeing a gender therapist not so regularly where I live now as it's expensive and she just confirms what I've always known, but was afraid to admit: That inside I am a woman. My wife went to the therapist with me and it didn't go well. My wife says that I said I'd never take it further and that I should stick to that. She says she doesn't want to be married to a woman. SO, the choice is that I lose everything except who I am or I stay miserable until I die. She seems fine with that. What's confusing to me is that in my conversations with the original gender therapist said my wife has her own gender issues and that she doesn't know if she wants to be like her mom or dad. My wife has admitted that she has some gender issue, but that she lives with it. She's somewhat masculine in mindset and gets along with men better than women, but in terms of expression, she's female and seems to like that or at least that what she goes for. I love this woman and in a perfect world, if I was a woman and she was a man, we both be happier as individuals and a couple, but she doesn't want to let go of something and to show her true self. For instance, once during sex she said she wished she had a penis (she will deny it now)...I don't get it...Is social enculturation that strong? She tells me to wait a few years and that society will be different then. I don't if she just expects me to go into remission again or is it something like she's waiting for her mom to pass (her mom is old) as her mom has a huge influence in terms of acceptance. If there's one negative about my wife, it's that she's always looking for validation, especially at work. She's very competitive. I think she's afraid her mom would disown her. SO...There's a lot to consider when you are involved with someone. Kids get involved and I'll tell you that many times, there's a good reason women marry and date transgender folk and it's not some blind chance thing. Even my wife admits that much. In the end, you'll have to make a decision and live with it. What I can tell you is that it gets worse with age in terms of being able to hide. At some point, the true self wants to come out. I know mine will, I just need the courage. You will find it too.
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Gendermutt

I think when it comes to anyone who knows without a doubt they are opposite their assigned gender, that choice of do I do what I am doing, which is misery, or leave the one(s) I love, which is also misery. For those who are not considering or going through transition, I will always, ALWAYS be one who preaches compromise, and lots of it. For those who are TS and needing transition, I think sadly the right choice is to be authentic. Without being so, in time, the relationship with your partner will degrade. They will likely always feel in the back of their mind, they are the cause of any unhappiness on your part. You will never be able to fully support your partner well through all of life as yours is always being tormented through not being who you really are.

While it isn't anywhere near the same, I think the concept is. My 1st marriage was a horrible one. I was very unhappy, but I had 2 kids. I took my vows seriously, and decided well, this is my life, make the best of it. I decided I would sacrifice all my happiness for the sake of my kids. Eventually, it got so bad I finally did divorce. Then afterword, no longer feeling tormented by a horrible marriage, I became a much better father.
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Rebecca

Not much to offer to the conversation beyond suggesting take small steps. What seems outrageous to her now may become no big deal once she gets used to them.

My own wife had major issues on all fronts at first but gradually got used to how I act and dress as I evolved in front of her. Even she concedes that things she thought were the end of the world turned out to be no big deal.

That said when she has to think of me as a girl her brain breaks. Example she happily agreed today that she has no problem with my work knowing I'm trans. Great.

But as soon a I mentioned changing my name after that to Jerrica (Jerri/Gerry to the rest of the world) she snapped to angry. To me that change is just on paper as my daily life remains the same but major meltdown. That's ok though it's how she works will approach the topic again tomorrow and see how she feels. Name change not that important to me per se but will be needed later to prove living as female so sooner the better really.

My own wife and kids love how I've changed on hormones which is great so I can keep taking them. It helps reinforce my position on being female as I do need them to live. This also makes changes inevitable which is good too as the body changes to match my brain.

In the end as others say communication is key but as much as I love my wife I will not lie to her and that means I have to be me. For me, for her and for my kids as they deserve no less than me.
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