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My clinic blood results: heeeeeelp?!

Started by Richenda, May 14, 2016, 07:09:24 AM

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Richenda

That's really helpful: thank you.

I had a big hot flash off the IM oestrogen last night. I guess a little more of the Depot dissolved at that moment :)
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Richenda

Does anyone have a link to the bioavailability of injections? I saw it a few days ago but failed to note the link and can't now find it. I'm specifically after injections of oestrogen, preferably the estradiol valerate version. Thanks in advance if anyone can help. x
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KayXo

The bio-availability should be 100% but slowly released into the blood over days to weeks.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Richenda

Quote from: April_TO on May 17, 2016, 08:32:08 AM
As a suggestion being an ex-spiro user, can you look into Cyproterone Acetate as your AA since it's a lot more potent in reducing T. It actually stops your body from producing LH which in turn signals your body to stop producing T if I have read that correctly.

I was on spiro for 1yr and half with very bad side effects. I have switched to CPA/Adrocur and never looked back. I recently had my blood work done and I was at 1800 pm/ol estradiol and 1.4 ng/dl T with 4 as my free T.

Yes, the estradiol was super high since I just took my E sublingually a few hours before my blood test.

With regular monitoring from a health professional, side effects will be managed.

Hope this helps and Good luck.

April I've just realised on the cusp of taking bicalutamide that I've never actually taken straight Androcur. I checked back my medical records and the one I used was Diane 35 which, as we know, is dangerous and I would never go near again. (Note, we're allowed to mention it in order to warn others: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=19242.0)

So now I'm in a dilemma. On advice mainly from Kay I've forked out for a pretty expensive private prescription of bicalutamide but having dug deeper into it, have some reservations. My physician doesn't know much about bicalutamide, especially in HRT use. Maybe I should ask him about Androcur instead?
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KayXo

Quote from: Richenda on June 01, 2016, 09:17:53 PM
On advice mainly from Kay I've forked out for a pretty expensive private prescription of bicalutamide but having dug deeper into it, have some reservations.

I don't advise as I am NOT a doctor. I share information and my own personal opinion which you can then use to further explore the matter. You should follow your DOCTOR'S advice and do your own research as sometimes doctors are also not always right. Discussion with them is useful. In the end, you are responsible for your own actions. We are all adults here.

I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Richenda

Good. But to be fair, Kay, you have championed bicalutamide all over the internet, rather carelessly declaring it to be a 'safe drug' when that is, at the very least, unproven. The links I have posted raise concerns. I think you should be much more circumspect in the future about advocating its merits. It is so untested and unused in our MtF world that I want to caution those who read your posts to be careful. I, for instance, had a very nasty reaction to it.
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KayXo

Quote from: Richenda on June 16, 2016, 12:43:09 AM
Good. But to be fair, Kay, you have championed bicalutamide all over the internet, rather carelessly declaring it to be a 'safe drug' when that is, at the very least, unproven.

I was basing myself on the following, and I take special care in making assertions. I also make it clear I am not a doctor and I share information/studies for others to come to their own conclusions with their doctors.

Urology. 1996 Jan;47(1A Suppl):70-9; discussion 80-4.

"To evaluate bicalutamide as a therapy in nearly 3000 patients with advanced prostate cancer and to determine the dose-ranging, pharmacodynamic, and pharmacokinetic properties of bicalutamide. To evaluate bicalutamide as a monotherapy or in combination with luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone analogue (LHRH-A) therapy."

"With a total exposure of > 2800 patient-years, bicalutamide has been shown to be a well-tolerated therapy with a low incidence of treatment-related withdrawals."

"Bicalutamide is a new antiandrogen that offers the convenience of once-daily administration, demonstrated activity in prostate cancer, and an excellent safety profile."

Eur Urol. 1994;26 Suppl 1:15-9.

"Over 3,000 men, the majority of whom were patients with prostate cancer, were treated with Casodex (ICI 176,334), an oral anti-androgen, at doses ranging from (...) daily, corresponding to a total exposure to the drug of over 1,500 patient-years"

"Over this period, the tolerability of Casodex and its effect on quality of life were closely studied. Information on tolerability is presented from three large randomized trials of Casodex"

"The most commonly reported adverse events were those that would be expected with an anti-androgen (i.e. breast tenderness, gynaecomastia and hot flushes). Overall, Casodex was well tolerated; there were no reports of light/dark adaptation problems or pulmonary fibrosis, and only one case of alcohol intolerance, which was not considered by the investigator to be treatment related. Only 0.3% of patients in the whole trial programme had to be withdrawn because of changes in liver function, and there were no clinically significant changes in mean liver function tests."

Eur Urol. 1998;33(1):39-53.

"To evaluate the efficacy, tolerability, endocrinological effects and the pharmacokinetics of Casodex, when given as monotherapy"

"A total of 390 patients with advanced prostate cancer were treated for a minimum of 12 weeks with a daily monotherapy dose of Casodex."

"Casodex was well tolerated at all doses with no effect on haematological or cardiovascular parameters and no effect on renal function."

"Casodex has a favourable side effect profile compared with the known safety profiles of other antiandrogens and has demonstrated intrinsic efficacy."

AND A RECENT STUDY:

Expert Opin Drug Saf. 2014 Nov;13(11):1483-99.

(from full article)

"Diarrhea has been reported in only 2 – 6% of patients in Bicalutamide monotherapy studies [29-31,43,44] and only isolated cases of elevated liver enzymes were observed [67]. To date, only one case of Bicalutamide-induced hepatic failure has been reported in the literature [68]. This hepatic failure was attributed to Bicalutamide because of the absence of other etiologic factors, the temporal relation with drug administration and the resolution of hepatitis following drug discontinuation [68]. However, the authors note that the patient was previously treated with Cyproterone and Flutamide and hypothesize that these drugs might have sensitized the patient to Bicalutamide toxicity [68]."

"Interstitial pneumonitis induced by Bicalutamide is an extremely rare event [69]."

Given the above, I consider this anti-androgen quite safe but as with most non native molecules, there are risks but I find these are very low. I'm sorry you experienced negatives with this drug (were you taking a high dose?) but there is no guarantee nothing will happen. Overall though, the drug seems quite safe.

QuoteThe links I have posted raise concerns. I think you should be much more circumspect in the future about advocating its merits. It is so untested and unused in our MtF world that I want to caution those who read your posts to be careful. I, for instance, had a very nasty reaction to it.

Studies have shown good tolerability in men (also XY), of an advanced age and stricken with cancer, at high doses. This is why I personally consider this anti-androgen to be relatively safe for our population. As always though, I repeat, I'm not a doctor.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Richenda

#67
No I was taking a low dose.

We can trade studies but I won't, except to say this. Yours from 1994 and 1996 have been superseded since by a significant number of more recent post-trial studies that raise concerns about the safety of this drug. This is a potent anti-cancer drug, has only ever been approved for that purpose and only ever trialed for that purpose. I posted links to these more recent post-trial studies which raise safety concerns and will leave it at that. It may be fine for some people. It might kill others.

I urge people to be very careful when a non-medic declares a drug to be 'safe.'
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KayXo

Quote from: Richenda on June 16, 2016, 08:56:26 PMYours from 1994 and 1996 have been superseded since by a significant number of more recent post-trial studies that raise concerns about the safety of this drug.

The last study provided is from 2014, not much appears to have changed.

QuoteIt might kill others.

Men with prostate cancer are more likely to die, for obvious reasons. Transwomen aren't in the same situation.

QuoteI urge people to be very careful when a non-medic declares a drug to be 'safe.'

I consider bicalutamide to be relatively safe. Studies are provided to support statements, further research is encouraged, and doctor monitoring as well. Anyone who declares anything should be questioned, I think, whether medic or not. Health professionals are fallible and human beings too.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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