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Police: 50 killed in Florida nightclub terror attack

Started by stephaniec, June 12, 2016, 10:08:37 AM

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big kim

The acts of a madman & a coward. Your sort will never win. My condolences to those who have lost loved ones
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EmilyMK03

Sadly, these kinds of mass shootings will likely continue.  If anything should have effected change, it should have been the Sandy Hook shooting.  TWENTY first-grade children were massacred in that shooting, and it still wasn't enough to change anything.

And no, defeating ISIS isn't going to stop these mass murders, because Sandy Hook wasn't about ISIS.  In fact, of the 10 most deadly mass shootings in US history, only 3 of them were related to outside terrorist groups.  The other massacres were carried out by angry, disgruntled, and/or mentally ill people.  Guess what?  Other developed countries around the world have angry and mentally ill people too, but they don't have nearly as many mass shootings per capita as the US does.

It really comes down to more gun control.  It's the only solution.  But I'm a realist, and I know that won't happen.  Not just because of partisan bickering, but more so because gun ownership is etched into the American psyche and American culture, much like car ownership.  Guns are an integral part of American culture and family, and the way some fathers spend time with their kids (teaching them how to shoot a gun or go hunting with a gun, for example).  Any attempts to restrict that, even just a little, is often perceived as a threat to American culture.

So, I'm resigned with the seemingly inevitable conclusion that mass shootings will continue.  There is no reason to believe otherwise.
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barbie

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on June 13, 2016, 01:06:50 AM
Sadly, these kinds of mass shootings will likely continue.  If anything should have effected change, it should have been the Sandy Hook shooting.  TWENTY first-grade children were massacred in that shooting, and it still wasn't enough to change anything.

And no, defeating ISIS isn't going to stop these mass murders, because Sandy Hook wasn't about ISIS.  In fact, of the 10 most deadly mass shootings in US history, only 3 of them were related to outside terrorist groups.  The other massacres were carried out by angry, disgruntled, and/or mentally ill people.  Guess what?  Other developed countries around the world have angry and mentally ill people too, but they don't have nearly as many mass shootings per capita as the US does.

It really comes down to more gun control.  It's the only solution.  But I'm a realist, and I know that won't happen.  Not just because of partisan bickering, but more so because gun ownership is etched into the American psyche and American culture, much like car ownership.  Guns are an integral part of American culture and family, and the way some fathers spend time with their kids (teaching them how to shoot a gun or go hunting with a gun, for example).  Any attempts to restrict that, even just a little, is often perceived as a threat to American culture.

So, I'm resigned with the seemingly inevitable conclusion that mass shootings will continue.  There is no reason to believe otherwise.

I agree. I briefly talked with a friend visiting here from the U.S. The conclusion was that it will not be changed, and will be continued, even with more shocking ways.

Some extreme religions have continued to instigate hatred among people, and this also will be continued.

Condolence to the families and friends of the innocent victims.

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Zumbagirl

Quote from: Paige on June 12, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
This is absolutely insane.

On the issue of the weapon used, Obama said that this is a reminder of how easy it is for anyone, even a terrorist, in this case, to get a weapon that can be used for mass destruction.

That's the price of living in a free society. Besides the cops were outside for 3 hours. In that time, this guy could have had an 18th century musket and killed 50 people. Get licensed, learn to be responsible, carry and be safe. Join a pink pistols chapter and learn sometimes for free.
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Cindy

I realise carrying and using arms is in the USA constitution but as a Forum Admin I am closing down posts concerning arms in this topic.
I do not advocate the use of arms, and the Forum Admin is an Australian so get over it.

With love
Cindy
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stephaniec

Je suis Orlando: Eiffel Tower leads the world in rainbow tribute after gay club massacre

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/06/13/je-suis-orlando-eiffel-tower-leads-the-world-in-rainbow-tribute-after-gay-club-massacre/

Pink News/By Nick Duffy  13th June 2016, 12:17 PM

"The Eiffel Tower is among the landmarks to have lit up in colours of the rainbow flag, in solidarity with the LGBT community after the Orlando terror attacks.
50 people were killed and 53 injured yesterday in the shocking terrorist hate crime attack, which saw a gunman open fire inside The Pulse gay bar in Orlando, Florida.
ISIS has since claimed responsibility for the attack, which was perpetrated by US citizen Omar Mateen. The majority of the victims were Latino.
Paris, which saw its own horrific terror attacks in November when gunmen killed 130 people in a string of incidents, paid a poignant tribute in solidarity."
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Angieisalone

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cheryl reeves

No one noticed these types of murders happen in gun free zones? I have for no gunman or woman wants to attempt this is cw or open carry zones for that's dangerous,so they go to where people are unarmed for it's safer to kill people. I'm sorry this happened but if someone was armed it wouldn't have been as bad as it was.
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veritatemfurto

Quote from: Angieisalone on June 13, 2016, 07:27:01 AM
Sucks I wasn't one of the victims

WTF????? NO, you DON'T want that. there is NOTHING good about that. Please speak to someone about your feelings and get them out of your system and feel better!
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veritatemfurto

Quote from: Cindy on June 13, 2016, 06:19:01 AM
I realise carrying and using arms is in the USA constitution but as a Forum Admin I am closing down posts concerning arms in this topic.
I do not advocate the use of arms, and the Forum Admin is an Australian so get over it.

With love
Cindy

Indeed. the topic of Gun Control in America is a dead horse discussion. Smart locks and stricter\lengthy background checks on ordinance that isn't purely self-defensive or for hunting have been proposed so many times and then "Shot down" by the NRA (pun fully intended) it is absolutely pathetic. BUT this is not the Forum for that movement.
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RobynD

Sad time indeed. Weekly shootings in this country. Empathy, Prayers and thoughts are fine but don't seem to do a lot to curb gun violence sadly.

This is another reminder that if you think someone is capable of doing evil,  it is your obligation as a member to try and get some help to that person or bring the authorities attention to the person.


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stephaniec

the problem is that unless someone verbally expresses it , saying they are going to slaughter people, which none of these idiots do unless they want to be stopped, no one can possibly do anything to stop them. The 911 terrorists sat in a bar getting drunk laughing , but made no coherent commit about pioliting planes into the towers.
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RobynD

So true Stephanie - you're not going to stop everyone but i am betting with more awareness of mental health and more work on everyone's part to help one another, more people can be stopped. I'm an optimist for sure. This person probably should have been in jail or at least on parole for abusing his wife of less than 2 yrs.

There are many potential political solutions as well, but as someone said this is not the forum for those.


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stephaniec

I'm all for a whole lot more health care and for humans just to really be what the human race has the potential to become. The health care system saved my life a number of times when I was a young drug addict when I was an older prostitute and when I was much older person who lost everything. I'm still alive and thriving because of some very caring health professionals and teachers and I can never say enough about them , I love them all.
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Joelene9

  Another development. The shooter was opting between the Pulse nightclub or Downtown Disney at the Disney World park. Both doesn't need security checks as the main gate at Disney World does. He was looking for the softest target. Disney is also known to be LGBT friendly, one of the first large corporations to be so.

Joelene
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stephaniec

The other incredibly sad thing is that I live across the street from a Big 10  University and the fear is constant that one of these wackos will walk into the student lounge or cafeteria
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cheryl reeves

Take a cw class and start packing and you will no longer be afraid of lunatics.
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stephaniec

PHOTOS: London streets come to a standstill as thousands march in solidarity with Orlando

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/06/13/photos-london-streets-come-to-a-standstill-as-thousands-march-in-solidarity-with-orlando/

Pink News/By Joseph Patrick McCormick   06/13/2016

"Thousands of people have lined the streets of London's Soho in solidarity with the community and Orlando, and in memory of those lost in a mass shooting which killed 50 in a gay club on Sunday morning.
Thousands gathered at the vigil to join hands and hold moments of silence in solidarity with the community in Orlando, and all of the victims of the shooting which took place at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando.
Shortly after 19:00 GMT, business owners stopped serving drinks, turned off their music and encouraged punters outside to pay tribute to Orlando with moments of silence."
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2cherry

The most saddest thing for me is to see that politicians use this for pushing their own agenda's. That's all I'm saying about politics today, as it makes me crazy.

The perpetrator had bipolar disorder and a personality disorder, and obviously some anger issues. Sprinkle a little religion in the mix and it becomes caustic. Now, there are people like him all over the world. 1% of any population suffers from psychopathy. The key difference here is: why is anyone allowed to obtain an assault rifle when they have a history of mental issues and have been questioned by the feds, twice? Guns are fine, although I do not own one, I do like them. But letting a nutcase being able to buy an assault rifle when they have mental issues, is probably a very bad idea imho.


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veritatemfurto

Quote from: Joelene9 on June 13, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
  Another development. The shooter was opting between the Pulse nightclub or Downtown Disney at the Disney World park. Both doesn't need security checks as the main gate at Disney World does. He was looking for the softest target. Disney is also known to be LGBT friendly, one of the first large corporations to be so.

Joelene

Oh it's only a matter of when before something happens there, as even at the main gate of magic kingdom, the security that guests go through is mostly just a ruse. There aren't even metal detectors at Animal Kingdom! Employees just show their blue or green IDs and walk right through the checkpoints without ever being checked. It may be all smiles on the guest side, but there's some pretty crabby people in the back too. Even with guests being checked outside, I've had to call security several times on guests that had knives longer than 3" on them. They seem more worried about press drones taking pictures of the construction areas or people stealing $4.50 20oz Cokes than actually being like airport security. Good thing that I got the Hell out of there when I did.
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