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Started by stephaniec, June 26, 2016, 10:56:33 PM

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Devlyn

Judith, limiting the information pool to "deveoped nations" seriously skews the numbers. This is the overall gun death list. Central and South America are areas to be avoided. Our death rate in the US is not alarming at all compared to theirs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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judithlynn

Evelyn and Dena;
Many thanks for your clarifications. Interestingly I feel less safe in my house, especially recently in Victoria, since I no longer have my pump action shotgun at home. The reason for my concern is that in the last 4 months we have had the rise of Home invasions by some Teenage gangs (mostly Somali and other refugees and some recent immigrants) . Basically they have been breaking in, terrorising the owners and stealing the keys to high value cars. They have also  been doing bump and steel (Bumping people from behind whilst driving, then when the driver gets out to look at the damage, threatening the driver and occupants and stealing the cars. Luckily so far no one has been killed but a few people have been  injured and ended up in hospital. Not surprisingly there has been a run on baseball bats from sports shops as  Home protection devices. The police though have told homeowners not to use such devices as its more than likely that the intruders will fight back with knives or guns, extending the violence. They just advocate ringing 000.
I think I will be getting a Baseball bat and beefing up my Alarm system.
Judith
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judithlynn

Develyn;
I see what you mean by those numbers. It seems like the only real safe place in the Americas is Canada. Just looking at the numbers in your reference list - lowest to highest gun related deaths per 100K  citizens its very telling comparing to Australia gun deaths

Canada - 1.97
Chile-1.95
Barbados  -3.12
Nicaragua - 4.68
Paraguay -4.64
Argentina -6.36
Mexico 7.64
Costa Rica - 7.50
USA -10.54
Uruguay - 11.52
El Salvador 26.77
Guatemala - 34.10

etc

Remind me never to go to Central America Although Mexico actually doesn't look took bad - I thought it was a pretty dangerous place from all the Newspaper reports of  Drug gang murders and had crossed it off my Holiday vacation list!.

Judith
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Elena1270

Quote from: mac1 on June 30, 2016, 11:25:13 PM
I too believe that Trump is the best choice to keep our country safe and to put a control on our rising national debt.

I dont like either one of them. I am seriously considering voting third party or writing in Bernie Sanders.
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JeNn_DeViLz

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 03, 2016, 10:32:56 PM
Judith, limiting the information pool to "deveoped nations" seriously skews the numbers. This is the overall gun death list. Central and South America are areas to be avoided. Our death rate in the US is not alarming at all compared to theirs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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If that doesn't show the liberal side the truth I don't honestly see any other way. Even that 10.64 statistic can be cut at to make even smaller without effecting current gun legislation. It's clearly a chip at our rights which all of us lgbt are looking for anyways. We need to be on the same page with common sense amendments.
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Deborah

Having lower gun related deaths than Guatemala, Panama,  and El Salvador is not really something to brag about.

I'm no rabid anti-gun advocate, but we do have a problem.  Wishing it away doesn't make it disappear. 

I've also lived in both Germany and South Korea where gun deaths are much lower than ours and yes, being out in public there feels much different and much safer than in the USA.  There I could walk about in their largest cities at all hours of the night without worry.  We cannot do that here.  Being out at night here actually feels a whole lot closer to what it felt like in Kosovo in 1998,  yaaaay USA.
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Elena1270

Quote from: Deborah on August 09, 2016, 01:06:09 AM
Having lower gun related deaths than Guatemala, Panama,  El Salvador is not really something to brag about. 

I'm no rabid anti-gun advocate, but we do have a problem.  Wishing it away doesn't make it disappear. 

I've also lived in both Germany and South Korea where gun deaths are much lower than ours and yes, being out in public there feels much different and much safer than in the USA.  There I could walk about in their largest cities at all hours of the night without worry.  We cannot do that here.  Being out at night here actually feels a whole lot closer to what it felt like in Kosovo in 1998,  yaaaay USA.

I agree, we DO have a problem but I think it has more to do with attitudes here in the USA. I hate to say it, but we are a violent people. Canada has a similar amount of guns and nowhere near the violence. I chalk it up to stress, anger, and a political climate that accentuates the worst of our society. People are struggling to make ends meet. No one is secure in their employment and that creates a lot of resentment and anger. Couple that up with booze, drugs and mental illness and its a recipe for disaster.
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Deborah

Yes.  And certain segments of our political and spiritual leadership class focuses all their efforts on telling people that it's all the fault of those evil Mexicans, Muslims, and other assorted brown peoples, not to mention the ever present homosexual agenda, rather than actually fixing anything.
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

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Elena1270

Thats because they dont want the government to fix anything. They want everyone to believe that the government is the problem so they do everything in their power to screw the government up. Then when the government cant do its job, they say "see, we told you so, vote for us for less government" and the vicious cycle continues.
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cheryl reeves

90% of that 10.54 is the shooting death rate in Chicago,Chicago is the most dangerous city in America right now. Take Chicago out of the equation and it's around 1.8 but you can lower it even less by taking out police shootings,heck Texas is actually the safest state besides Arizona to live in because of open carry. The liberal agenda is the same agenda Hitler had and Lenin had and it didn't work,the USA was founded as a republic not a democracy and it's sad most people don't know the difference between the two.
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Deborah

Many of the highest death rates are in cities where people can legally carry guns.  Chicago is not even close to being the highest death rate.  Even Houston, TX is higher.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6018a1.htm

Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

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Deborah

If you look at gun deaths by state, Texas has a higher gun death rate than Illinois.  http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/Firearm.htm

If you compare Illinois to each Southern state individually, where gun laws are the most free, Illinois still has the lowest rate.

Both Texas and Arizona are in the top half of states with the highest gun death rate.  The boogymen of New York, New Jersey, and California are all among the ten states with the lowest gun death rates.

Conclusion . . . Don't listen to propaganda.  Do your own research and think for yourself.
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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cheryl reeves

Quote from: Deborah on August 09, 2016, 05:10:51 AM
If you look at gun deaths by state, Texas has a higher gun death rate than Illinois.  http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/Firearm.htm

If you compare Illinois to each Southern state individually, where gun laws are the most free, Illinois still has the lowest rate.

Both Texas and Arizona are in the top half of states with the highest gun death rate.  The boogymen of New York, New Jersey, and California are all among the ten states with the lowest gun death rates.

Conclusion . . . Don't listen to propaganda.  Do your own research and think for yourself.

Chicago sets the standard for gun deaths,texas isn't even close 28 yrs ago New Orleans was the standard. As for propaganda don't believe in it myself,for in the small town I live in if the cops don'tget you first an armed legal gun owner will,besides where I live most citizens are armed,if a crime happens it happens only in gun free zones. I've lived in Texas since 1978 and never been mugged or shot at and I have been all over Texas. I just don't buy into liberal propaganda for its designed for the government to rule you,when you should be a voice in running the.goverment.
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Deborah

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is a reputable source and the data is what the data is.
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judithlynn

Very interesting debate. I just looked up Canada's gun legislation. Apparently Canada reckons their significantly lower gun death rate than the US  is because of mandatory  gun checks. The Canadian constitution like the US supports gun ownership, but all guns are either restricted on non restricted and there are mandatory police checks on all citizens applying to buy a gun with checks against terrorist watch lists, people with mental illnesses and anyone with s criminal record plus an underage child In all these cases, gun possession is not allowed. Interesting also the AR-15 assault rifle whilst not banned can only be used at a registered gun range.

From an outsider view,  I applaud the US Second amendment provisions, but I find it absolutely amazing that after so many tragic deaths in the US that both sides of US politics cannot agree to provisions like Canada has in place (and by the way so does Australia).

The most incredulous situation to me, is that  the US Senate even rejected mandatory checks to see if a gun applicant was on the terrorist watch list.

Yet Donald Trump wants to ban anyone of the Moslem faith entering the US but is happy to let any terrorists buy guns???

Note not all Terrorists are Moslems e.g. Shining Path, Baader Meinhof, IRAe.

I reckon if the US NRA and US Republican Party came out in favour of Mandatory checks (as Canada) then the gun death rate would drop and just as important the NRA and Republican Party would actually start to gain in popularity (and probably the gun issue would go away).
Judith
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judithlynn

PS ;
Also to Cheryl, I have travelled all over Texas prior to my transition, not least because I used to work for a global Texas based company, and I must admit I have always felt very safe there.  Mind you the Texans are such great people Also  I have always felt very safe in California.

However being in Florida, Louisiana (in New Orleans), Alabama, Pennsylvania (Philly) and some parts of Illinois I have felt decidedly unsafe.
Judith
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Deborah

Neither the NRA nor the Republican Party is going to back down anytime soon.  A large part of their support base believes gun ownership is supported by Jesus in the Bible, literally.  For many it really is part of their religion.  For that matter, nearly everything here that people disagree on is part of somebody's religion.

Here are some links to that effect.
http://www.biblicalselfdefense.com
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/338845/biblical-and-natural-right-self-defense-david-french
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/03/mississippi-guns-in-churches-self-defense-shootings/
http://lawandliberty.org/defense.htm
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

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