Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female? 6.0

[Iliana.Found]

Hello,
I know exactly what you mean by wanting the hard truth, I am the exact same way so here it goes:

The first 2 pics I would say you look female to me except for the tip of the nose and adam's apple. Your jaw has a nice roundness like typical female. But honestly in a quick passing, like walking by you, I wouldn't think twice about you. I'd see 100% woman.

The head-on pic i would say nose tip, adam's apple and shape those brows girl Your chin also looks a little wide.

The 2 side pics I'd say forehead, nose, adam's apple, eye brows need shaping, hair line is square and looks like it is receding.

This is what I see and are my opinions from analyzing a still picture for minutes. If I saw you on the street and did not know you were trans, then I wouldn't be looking so hard to critique every single part of your face and would see you as any other cis-girl. But since I am biased here, it's a little different. Also, I see the most masculine features from your right side profile pic so your last pic. I have this same problem where I see my right side as more masculine. I don't know what that's about lol 

[SoraKat]

[Sebby Michelango]

You doesn't pass yet. You have something "drag queenish" thing with your makeup which make it harder to pass for you. The pointy makeup with the exaggerated colors screams attention and drag. It's strong-ish makeup that doesn't appear as a casual relaxed makeup which is used to every-days. If you get a more casual makeup, it would look lesser exaggerated and drag, then it would be easier to pass. My tips is to not use too strong colors, too pointy makeup with your eyes, and you should rather make it appear as you doesn't use ton of makeup.

It's difficult to tell 100% if you do pass in real life or not based at a picture where you makes a facial expression - so I can't see exactly how you really looks. You have some potential, but you have some facial features that's most associated with the male sex. The nose tip and the hairline is more at the masculine side. If you want a more exact opinion, it would helped with more pictures. Anyway, are you pre-HRT or on HRT? If you hasn't started yet, it's recommended to pass easier. Estrogen do soften your skin and facial features a bit.

[Confetti]

Been practising none stop with makeup the past few weeks. How am i looking? 

[Aurorasky]

Been practising none stop with makeup the past few weeks. How am i looking? 

you pass it's just one picture, so it's difficult to gauge how you are in real life. But in that one pic you're passing in my eyes. How old are you? I'm 19! You look young too, hooray for us starting early

[Confetti]

you pass it's just one picture, so it's difficult to gauge how you are in real life. But in that one pic you're passing in my eyes. How old are you? I'm 19! You look young too, hooray for us starting early

thanks i've just turned 20! hooray for us haha! 

[Ange]

Thank you for your detailed answers !

Well that confirms what I thought and I'll indeed go for a FFS    (but oh my, 15k €, where will I find that >_> )

[Karlie Ann]

This is my sister and me.  I've been on HRT for almost 2 months; she of course was AFAB.  Maybe I have a shot?

[Sebby Michelango]

Recently...making progress, I think.

You doesn't pass yet. Your glasses has improved a bit, but your facial features are a bit masculine. The nose and the brow bridge is some of the manly features you have. Perhaps a new hairstyle with more volume would improve your passing chance.

Your sister and you have some common facial features, but it's very easy to see who's cis and who's not cis. Your sister have a softer face with a nose which hasn't so sharp edges at it. From what I've seen, there are more men than women who has bigger nose, ears and sharper edge at their features - rough in some ways. Therefor these features are considered manly by many, but softness is seen as feminine. (I just mention the features I usually look at to see if a person is cis or not - that's general speaking) She has also feminine eyes, lesser brow bridge and softer skin. She just have some femininity in her which is both cis and hard to explain. It's not really easy to put word at it.

[Karlie Ann]

Thanks, Sebby.  I know I'm a work in progress, and yeah, the hair is a thing.  It's hard to have man hair when I'm out and at work and girl hair elsewhere.  Same with my brows - It's a paradox - I'm afraid to style them femininely until I pass but in order to pass I need to style them femininely.  At this point I just want to see if I'll ever have a remote chance of being taken as a woman or if I'll always be read by everyone as a man in a dress.

[Aurorasky]

agreed with sebby, but you have potential

[Sebby Michelango]

Hopes this isn't too offensive, but here is my honest reply to everybody who wants to pass and which might be the truth for some.

Clothing, HRT, hair styles, mannerism, voice training, makeup etc. can help with the passing ability including genes. But to be honest, it's not always enough to pass. It depends which genes you has, how early you started treatment and how much you want to pass. (How often you want to pass, passing as cis etc.) Sometime it's just simply not enough. Testosterone in most cases are stronger than estrogen and therefor can affect more. Therefor in some cases FFS are needed to pass. If you don't need it in order to pass, I doesn't encourage you to it. But if you want to pass, needs it for your health and safety, go for it if you can. If you're fine with not passing, looking like the opposite gender than your gender identity, not looking cis etc, it's good to hear and you doesn't need to do all this works. If passing is very important for you, you sometimes have to go so far as FFS and voice surgery. FFS and voice surgery involves risks, but it might give good result which is worth it.

[Lies50]

This is the first time I post a picture of me on a forum.
I'm 54 years old.
I'm 9 monds on hrt and have my ffs 8 weeks ago. I now have the courage to post a picture.
I'm a happy girl.
What do you think, can I pass?



The left picture is before everything, about two years ago, the right picture is two weeks ago.


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[Rhonda Lynn]

Not to take this off-topic, I hope this is the right place to post this.

Passing as female is not just about hair, make-up and clothes. It's about communicating in as many ways as you can that you are female. People tend to see and hear what they expect to see and hear and ignore the rest. Once the observer's mind registers "female" they won't change that decision unless you do something unexpected.

Even after all these years, I still see many imperfections in myself. However, people who have known me for years have no idea about my past. I'm not saying to ignore the cosmetic details because they are important. I'm suggesting that there are other things to work on that will help you.

The phone is particularly challenging. A few years ago a friend called and I used to answer with a simple "Hello." Well, my teenage son at the time still had a somewhat high voice and so she mistook me for my son - which kind of embarrassed me. Anyway, I now pick up the phone and answer "Hello this is Rhonda!" And make sure to use a strong upward inflection. I establish immediately, even if it's a stranger that they are speaking with a woman. My voice isn't that high, but I always get "ma'am" on the phone.

Also, I believe that it is about wearing what is appropriate for the context. What are other women wearing in a given locale? If you're wearing that, you won't stand out and people will think "just another woman." I tend to wear yoga pants, jeans and shorts a lot because that is common around here.

Finally, and this is most important. You have to learn how women act in public and this takes practice. For example, when women make eye contact in public, they quite often give each other a brief little smile. It's kind of a "let's be friends" smile. This also applies to the grocery checker or other women you interact with. So, when a woman looks you in the eye and smiles at you, smile right back! Also, you have to be relaxed and confident in yourself in public. You need to think "I look cute today!" not "Everyone is looking at me!!"

Hugs,
Rhonda

[Karlie Ann]

But to be honest, it's not always enough to pass. It depends which genes you has, how early you started treatment and how much you want to pass. (How often you want to pass, passing as cis etc.) Sometime it's just simply not enough. Testosterone in most cases are stronger than estrogen and therefor can affect more. Therefor in some cases FFS are needed to pass. If you don't need it in order to pass, I doesn't encourage you to it. But if you want to pass, needs it for your health and safety, go for it if you can. If you're fine with not passing, looking like the opposite gender than your gender identity, not looking cis etc, it's good to hear and you doesn't need to do all this works. If passing is very important for you, you sometimes have to go so far as FFS and voice surgery. FFS and voice surgery involves risks, but it might give good result which is worth it.

See, I can't afford surgery, and I am unfortunately 45 and it's far too late for me to do anything about it.  I've been wavering on transition because I could not stand to be bullied as a guy "trying" to be a woman.  I pretty much am figuring that I might as well give up and just spend the rest of my life miserably as a guy, regretting not transitioning earlier, to avoid that.

[Mickie]

I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"



Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.


Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point

[Harley Quinn]

Mickie, I would say that contouring your nose would be a big help to slim it slightly. Other than that I'd say you have a very good base.

[SanaRinomi]

I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"



Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.


Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point

You have a nice base. Contouring your nose will help. Removing the beard and chest hair, and getting your eyebrows done will help hugely!!! When you can,  do hrt. That will help with your overall facial structure.

                                       Love,  Sarina!

[Sebby Michelango]

I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"



Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.


Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point

If you wants to pass as a woman you have to get rid of that beard and shape your eyebrows. Your nose is a masculine features. To pass as a woman or a androgynous person, you can try to make it appear a bit smaller with makeup. Big noses and brow bridges is masculine traits which make passing harder. Women also tends to have a rounder hairline, but if you want to look androgynous that isn't so necessary. Perhaps some kind of makeup can make you either appear androgynous or more feminine.

[Sebby Michelango]

See, I can't afford surgery, and I am unfortunately 45 and it's far too late for me to do anything about it.  I've been wavering on transition because I could not stand to be bullied as a guy "trying" to be a woman.  I pretty much am figuring that I might as well give up and just spend the rest of my life miserably as a guy, regretting not transitioning earlier, to avoid that.

I understand if you can't afford FFS. FFS is something some people only need to order to pass, not in order to live as a woman. You aren't lesser woman just because you can't afford it. People can't tell you how you want to spend your life. If you know you get miserable living as a guy, I doesn't think you should go for it. If you are happier as woman, it's recommended to go for that. You doesn't need to listening to people who hasn't so much knowledge about being trans and don't give up. It's your life, not theirs, so it's your choice. 45 isn't too old for FFS. Caitlyn Jenner underwent FFS at the age of 65. I don't think age is a issue as long the general health is good.