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Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female? 6.0

Started by V M, July 01, 2016, 10:09:56 AM

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Vervain

Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?



If I may say, you look mighty fine, and I'd never guess your age. You absolutely read as female to me.
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Vervain

Quote from: SoraKat on October 28, 2016, 10:32:18 PM
finally thought i looked cute enough to warrant a body pic. got a new corset :3



Love the corset! You look great here, and very much like the punk/goth chicks I used to go clubbing with, before my disability made that not very feasible. :)
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Vervain

Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Woah!  You look real good!  But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]


... okay, I have to say that second photo screams urban fantasy heroine. The covers for that genre are notorious for the pose you've managed (twisting the spine to show both breasts and butt, usually with weapons in hand. Love it.

For me, I'd never think you were anything but a cis woman based on this last couple photos.
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Amanda_Combs

Quote from: Vervain on October 31, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
... okay, I have to say that second photo screams urban fantasy heroine. The covers for that genre are notorious for the pose you've managed (twisting the spine to show both breasts and butt, usually with weapons in hand. Love it.

For me, I'd never think you were anything but a cis woman based on this last couple photos.
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RachelsMantra






Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
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LizK

Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM





Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.

I have to say that I had never heard of the forehead differences between men and women until I came here. I was actively trying to see if I could spot a typical female forehead at the mall the other day( I know too much time on my hands) and gave up...the variation was huge.

I cannot comment on anything other than the photo I see...I think you have great eyes and lovely hair, you face screams woman at me...don't really see any traces of males unless I look really hard at your nose and even then it doesn't really say male.  When I look at you after nit picking your photo, I see all woman!!

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
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I Am Jess

#546
Looks like we have the same hairline girl.   I don't think yours gives you away at all.  You are all girl in those pictures. 





Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM





Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
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Mariah

Your coming along but a different hairstyle might be a good idea. The current one isn't the best fit for your facial shape and forehead. Hugs
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Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM





Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
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V M

Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM

Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.

I think you look great Rachel  :icon_chick: Bit of a smile couldn't hurt though

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Karlie Ann

Rachel, you look fantastic.  I've seen your whole timeline on ->-bleeped-<- and you've really really done well!!!  I'm jealous! :)
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Sebby Michelango

Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM





Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.

For me you doesn't pass. I the know forehead is a bit tricky. But the forehead it self doesn't necessary spoil the passing, but rather the hairline. As long you have a feminine hairline or a bang to cover it up, you would be fine. The tricky thing is your hairline. It looks a bit masculine because the receding part of it. The brow bridge and the sharp edges at your nose is slightly masculine, and perhaps that makes passing harder. People usually doesn't think which features that make a face female or male, but they do often unconsciously read a face female or male. That do also include strangers you meets at the street.


^ This picture do illustrate a example of how the differences between the male and female hairline may be.
PS! Receding hairline doesn't mean you're going bald. People who keeps their hair their whole life may have a receding hairline too, because of the testosterone in their bodies.
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Yuusui

Out for lunch last weekend. No makeup and feeling good.


Stacitg1

Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Woah!  You look real good!  But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]


Amanda, You have that girl next door look. Adorable!
Staci



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I Am Jess




So I went and got my hair changed so that I have bangs. I was afraid I was getting misgendered by having too much of my forehead showing. People must have thought I had a severe case of moobs.

Quote from: Sebby Michelango on November 02, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
I the know forehead is a bit tricky. As long you have a feminine hairline or a bang to cover it up, you would be fine.


^ This picture do illustrate a example of how the differences between the male and female hairline may be.
PS! Receding hairline doesn't mean you're going bald. People who keeps their hair their whole life may have a receding hairline too, because of the testosterone in their bodies.
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RachelsMantra

Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.
Started HRT on September 1st, 2015.
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tgirlamg

Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 02, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.

Hi Rachel...

These are wise words for us all... I am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery ... It's funny, sometimes I look at the models in fashion magazines and I could swear that half of them are Trans... Anyway.... I think you look gorgeous girlfriend!!!!

Onward we go!!!

Ashley :)

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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I Am Jess

I have no idea what he thinks about me nor do I really care.  I've been living my life as Jess 24/7 for 17 months and have not had any issues.  That is the real life test.  I am a woman and I get treated as a woman.  CIS or trans I don't care how someone views me because I am a woman.  You look great Rachel and I love your attitude.  We are unique human beings and we are beautiful.

Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 02, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.
Follow my life's adventures on Instagram - @jessieleeannmcgrath
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Sinclair

Quote from: tgirlamc on November 02, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Hi Rachel...

These are wise words for us all... I am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery ... It's funny, sometimes I look at the models in fashion magazines and I could swear that half of them are Trans... Anyway.... I think you look gorgeous girlfriend!!!!

Onward we go!!!

Ashley :)

I agree.

Amanda, you're rocking all girl as usual. :)

Yuusui, you look a bit like my Aunt Stephanie. Is that a drink at Sunday brunch? She loves Sunday brunch and a cocktail!  ;D
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: tgirlamc on November 02, 2016, 07:36:07 PMI am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery

This is nicely put, and true in very important ways, but I don't think it's entirely accurate.

Out in the big bad world, there are those who will treat you differently if you get clocked.  And by "differently" I mean "not as a woman."  This is the case even with good, well-meaning people.  But it's still a hell of a lot better than getting gendered as a cis male.

And sure, the way cis people organize their categories are, in many respects, flat out wrong, but that's still the reality we with have to deal with nonetheless.  It's a different experience not getting clocked for five, ten, fifteen years and counting.  Whether that's ultimately a "better" experience or not depends on each person's truth and self understanding. 

If you have the opportunity (not all of us do) to correct certain features so as not to get clocked, I highly recommend taking them. 

Whether or not the opportunity is available, though, getting read as "female" in the broader sense is still absolutely vital.  And that really doesn't have so much to do with physicality as it does with "spirit" or consciousness or personality, what have you.  All the surgeries in the world won't mean diddly-squat without this interior alignment and adjustment, and in the end that *is* what will be most important.  Which ultimately comes out, I think, primarily through voice.  I don't mean pitch or timbre or resonance, either, but saying what needs to be said out of compassion and empathy and presence and just being in relationships.  (In this case, hugs count as "voice" as far as I'm concerned.)

We focus so much on our physical features (and rightly so, given our materialistic world) but there's very little discussion, I think, on what "passing" means in terms of socialization and ways of interacting.  Which isn't just a matter of being nice -- as women we are more than capable of being cruel, but I do think even this has a different inflection in our culture. 

It's the interior work -- not just narcissistic or solipsistic "be yourself" stuff -- that I think makes this a truly amazing journey.  In part because this will always be ongoing, long after the knives are put away.
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barbie

Quote from: Naomi71 on October 31, 2016, 04:58:14 AM
You're beautiful

Thanks, Naomi.
But I sometimes do not pass.

I am now visiting San Diego. Yesterday I explored the city a little bit.





As I seldom saw any woman wearing a skirt in Los Angeles and San Diego, I picked up short pants with a t-shirt, hoping that I look a little bit dull like other ordinary women here. But at the restaurant for our dinner, I saw a few ladies wearing skirt. I guess they are dating with men. I decided to wear skirt again tomorrow.



Regarding passing, while I drove from LA to San Diego, I stopped at a convenient store. Of course, I was tired from the 10 hour flight trip and did not wear any makeup. The cashier, a black young man at the store annoyingly called me Sir. Not just once, but twice. It was OK to me, but it was a very rare case to me.

The opposite happened during my flight from Seoul to LA. A young girl at her 20s was sitting beside me, and the female flight attendant annoyingly called her as Sir. Not just once, but more than 3 times.

You know what I mean here regarding passing. The young girl did not show any reaction to it.

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