estrogen+HEROINE

[kalt]

its safer to be a cokehead than to smoke weed regularly....
R

[Rachael]

omg, i foxed susans resident narcotics expert :S
R

[Ell]

i agree (with Rachael?) that marijuana can be very harmful.

it would seem to cause the brain to dump large quantities of important brain chemistry into the system, so that the user is left with a dangerous shortage.

having said that, i do believe it is a very important drug, especially in regards to the study and treatment of depression. but it should be standardized and made available by prescription only.

[kalt]

having said that, i do believe it is a very important drug, especially in regards to the study and treatment of depression. but it should be standardized and made available by prescription only.

that would still leave the problem of cops being killed over a substance no worse than alcohol, people who are just curious becoming criminals, and that the government could make a fortune by allow it to be legal and taxing the hell out of it just like they do tobacco.  people are still going to smoke that junk either way.

[Ell]

having said that, i do believe it is a very important drug, especially in regards to the study and treatment of depression. but it should be standardized and made available by prescription only.

that would still leave the problem of cops being killed over a substance no worse than alcohol, people who are just curious becoming criminals, and that the government could make a fortune by allow it to be legal and taxing the hell out of it just like they do tobacco.  people are still going to smoke that junk either way.

someone has a very negative turn of mind today, i see (i won't name names). i suspect it is because you, like me, are prone to reacting rather than acting. let's try to put our heads together and see how we can change that, hmm?

-ell

[Rachael]

having said that, i do believe it is a very important drug, especially in regards to the study and treatment of depression. but it should be standardized and made available by prescription only.

that would still leave the problem of cops being killed over a substance no worse than alcohol, people who are just curious becoming criminals, and that the government could make a fortune by allow it to be legal and taxing the hell out of it just like they do tobacco.  people are still going to smoke that junk either way.

tobacco and alcohol dont have links to schistophrenia and paranoia related mentall illness...
R

[kalt]

tobacco and alcohol dont have links to schistophrenia and paranoia related mentall illness...

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Alcoholism%20and%20Psychiatric%20Disorders%20%20%20Diagnostic%20Challenges.pdf
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh26-2/90-98.htm
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Psychiatric_Disorders/Substance_abuse_disorders#Alcohol_2
http://www.uspharmacist.com/oldformat.asp?url=newlook/files/feat/alcohol.htm

Alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth.

[lisagurl]

Alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth

Or perhaps caffeine, salt, or fat.

[kalt]

Alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth

Or perhaps caffeine, salt, or fat.

Meth is pyschoactive and severely impairs judgement and puts the life of anyone around the user at risk, as well as being physically detrimental and putting the user at risk.
Can the same not be said about alcohol?

[Suzy]

Alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth.

I was trying to stay out of this, really I was, because I had my day with all of this stuff.  I'm no prude, but I'm clean now.  But saying that alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth is like saying that pennies are just as much money as hundred dollar bills.  It may be true at some level.  Collect up enough and there is some resemblance.  But tell me this:  Would you rather climb aboard an airplane piloted by someone who has had a beer, or someone who has just done meth?  You KNOW what the answer here is!  Both can be abused, but it is not the norm.

I have worked with a number of people trying to put their lives back together after heavy use of drugs and/or alcohol.  When we are young we think we are immortal.  I see that in some of the responses here.  With the benefit of years we see how ridiculous that view was.  By then a lot of damage is done, much of it irrepairable.  Estrogen plus illegal drugs is asking for trouble.    I know I will never convince some of that for now.  Some will have to learn the hard way.  But I promose you, you will agree with me either now or later.

Kristi

[deviousxen]

Alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth

Or perhaps caffeine, salt, or fat.

Hahah

[kalt]

But saying that alcohol is just as much a drug as crystal meth is like saying that 100000 pennies are just as much money as hundred dollar bills.

Fixed.

It may be true at some level.  Collect up enough and there is some resemblance.

They are both psychoactive mood altering drugs that severely effect mood and heavy use of both are both associated with higher mortality and medical complications.

But tell me this:  Would you rather climb aboard an airplane piloted by someone who has had a beer, or someone who has just done meth?

If the dosage of meth was the same as a beer would be, as in not enough to do anything but a light buzz at the MOST, then the pilot might as well have just had the equivalent of a few cups of coffee.

Both can be abused, but it is not the norm.

Eh?  Were the drug legal then the norm would not be to abuse it.  It might be used as regularly as caffiene for all you know.  Making something forbidden automatically raises its appeal.  Making something that isn't much worse than other substances that are legal illegal just kills cops and funds gang activity and crime.  Taking the primary source of income of crime away would probably be one of the best things this world could do.  People will still smoke pot either way, they'll still do crystal meth, they'll still do cocaine.  The American alcohol prohibition is a fine example of how illegal substances are still abused, and how crime is drastically reduced when it's made legal.

I have worked with a number of people trying to put their lives back together after heavy use of drugs and/or alcohol.  When we are young we think we are immortal.  I see that in some of the responses here.  With the benefit of years we see how ridiculous that view was.  By then a lot of damage is done, much of it irrepairable.

I don't advocate the use of non-prescribed substances in any way, shape, or form.  I highly reccomend against it if you want to see over 70.

Estrogen plus illegal drugs is asking for trouble.    I know I will never convince some of that for now.  Some will have to learn the hard way.  But I promose you, you will agree with me either now or later.

Who are you arguing with?

[Rachael]

maybe its harder on your system as its being taken not produced, but i cant see E making the effects any different to those of natal females...
R

[kalt]

maybe its harder on your system as its being taken not produced, but i cant see E making the effects any different to those of natal females...
R

Synthetic Estrogen=/=Natural estrogen.
Horse estrogen=/=natural estrogen.

That doesn't mean I'm against taking it and all.

But I honestly realized shortly after the start of this thread I am not nearly knowledgeable enough to make a discussion out of this material:-p

[gothique11]

Horse pee is an awesome source of estrogen -- I decided to go the cheap route and visit a local farm and collect my own horse pee. I freeze it to keep it fresh. And, then I just mix it up with slim fast in the morning. The taste gets a little getting to used to, but dude, double D breasts in a couple of months. It works. hehe. Now, can someone pass me another doobie?

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[taru]

maybe its harder on your system as its being taken not produced, but i cant see E making the effects any different to those of natal females...
R

Synthetic Estrogen=/=Natural estrogen.
Horse estrogen=/=natural estrogen.

That doesn't mean I'm against taking it and all.

But I honestly realized shortly after the start of this thread I am not nearly knowledgeable enough to make a discussion out of this material:-p

There are plenty of opioids used in medicine (e.g. codeine, hydrocodone, morphine, tilidine, tramadol). And they don't interact with hormonal contraceptives (ethinyl estradiol) or HRT (17beta-estradiol) in natal women.

Doctors here don't think that being mtf on HRT affects how opioids should be prescribed in any way and they seem to be right.

[Rachael]

whatever the effects, it doesnt change the legality of any drugs. and its on your own head if you take them, and being on hrt causes you to die... its your own damn fault. compassion? what am?
R

[Ell]

Horse pee is an awesome source of estrogen -- I decided to go the cheap route and visit a local farm and collect my own horse pee. I freeze it to keep it fresh. And, then I just mix it up with slim fast in the morning.

ROFL-L-L-L-L   OMG, Natalie! that is just about the silliest thing i've ever heard!!!!
*ell hugs Natalie and squishes her ears*

[kalt]

Horse pee is an awesome source of estrogen -- I decided to go the cheap route and visit a local farm and collect my own horse pee. I freeze it to keep it fresh. And, then I just mix it up with slim fast in the morning. The taste gets a little getting to used to, but dude, double D breasts in a couple of months. It works. hehe. Now, can someone pass me another doobie?

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I collect pee from rhinos.  Srsly, works dat booty on ya!

[Rachael]

dont even go there... my butt is annoying me from normal e ><
R