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Will this be a lot of electrolysis/laser?

Started by CallApril, July 26, 2016, 04:43:00 PM

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CallApril

Hi all,

As I am back on stealth transitioning (a relationship crisis stopped my transition after 3 months in January this year). I want to gradually do laser/electrolysis to my face and remove all this beardy stuff!

If I'm honest I have very little hair anywhere on my body and my face is the only place I would ever need it. I can count the hairs on my chest and there is nothing on my back. What I have here is about 6-8 weeks growth.

Weirdly the beard doesn't make me that dysphoric as I only ever look at myself in the mirror to shave and that ain't often as I haaaate looking at myself in the mirror lol.

So this is me full beard. Is it too light for laser? And for those who have had electro does it look like a whole lot of work?



Another thing with electro or laser: will they do butt crack and is it possible for nostrils? I know weird question but these two are real bugbears for me.

Thanks for reading!

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Soli

hello :-) I couldn't tell you about the laser and electrolysis, I don't have any budget for that (yet). I'll be assessing my case with the responses you get  :D I have a little less hair than you but half is white :-(

but what I can tell you is that 7-8 months of HRT changed my whole hair pattern, and my nostril hairs used to be a real issue for me too, but they now grow much less and became manageable with tweezers. Same for my ears, well you get those with age and testo, but HRT reversed the process, I didn't shave my arms for the last... idk, 6 weeks? and the hair on my hands and arms grows much slower, thinner and lighter, have to look close to see it. I'm not sure how hairy my butt was before, but my legs were quite hairy, back and front, and... I shave these parts every other day.
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alex82

Looking at skin and hair colour, most of that looks laser friendly.

I doubt an electrolygist would do your nostrils, but if you can stand the thought, they may well do so. I can't see how the laser would fit up there (it has to be pressed against to make proper contact), so that's probably a guaranteed no. You can definitely have your downstairs done with either, or with plain old wax.
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Vrekasht

Not MtF here, but due to out of whack hormones my entire life, I could only grow patchy facial hair and, as it was dark, it just looked like I had a weird skin condition when I'd shave. Makeup couldn't cover it either as most of it was jet black.

I tried laser first, as it was cheaper, but the problem was...it didn't work as a permanent solution.
It wasn't super painful, it was fast, though the smell of burning hair was unpleasant, but it straight up didn't work as a permanent solution for me.
The hair always grew back, even after the full set of treatment, it always came back. The only response from the treatment center was, "Well, our literature does say it only works for 85% of people. You must be in that other 15%. We also don't guarantee permanent removal, just a 'reduction' in growth." and I was basically out $950.  :-\
The ads heavily imply that they guarantee permanent removal, but if you read the fine print, most make that 85% mention and mention that they don't guarantee it's permanent or that it's a removal. In the case of the company I went to, which was a reputable one I won't name, the only guarantee they had was a "reduction in the appearance of hair growth".
Most companies only give a "2 year guarantee" of no regrowth at best.


After that, I got a bit discouraged and just stuck with shaving and having weird 'dark patches' on my face, then decided to go with electrolysis.

The cost, at least where I live, was comparable to laser so that wasn't an issue for me.
The pain of it varies though. On my cheeks, jaw, neck, sides of my upper lip, and chin it didn't bother me too much, it was just like someone snapping a rubber band on my skin then plucking a hair.
Under the nose, however? The words I'd use to describe that pain level are words that are all forbidden by the rules of the forum. Even with numbing cream I couldn't ever stand to have her do all of it in one go, and I'm forever grateful that I didn't have too much dark hair on my upper lip. Now and again, I let her take the darkest ones out but, if it bothers me, I just wax instead.

I have a pretty high pain tolerance too, and it's just--really painful to the point that I prefer to wax my upper lip if I feel like there's too much dark hair there. Still, it's worth trying out to see how you tolerate it.
A good electrolysis clinic will walk you through the process and do a couple of 'test zaps' in various areas you want done to give you an idea of what it feels like and to let you gauge whether or not you think you can handle it.
It's been about 2 years since I started and I just have one little patch of about 50 hairs on the left side of my neck, just under my chin, that are being stubborn about dying. They get weaker (thinner and lighter) with every treatment but WON'T JUST GIVE UP AND DIE YET.


The lady I see works primarily with MtF clients, so she's well versed at doing electro in the full body sense;  she's told me she's even done ears, toes, and nostrils (I don't see how anyone can endure that, but apparently some people can!) in addition to the more usual legs, chest, arms, shoulders, back, hands, and face.
She also told me she did her own electrolysis, including under her arms.

I did ask her about doing nasal hair once, as I was curious whether it was a thing or not, and she said it's possible but most people can't handle the pain of it very well and it's tricky to do. She does, however, offer waxing services for people who want less hairy nostrils.

The way she described it was getting the wax on the cloth, twisting it, poking it up the nose, letting it set, then just yanking downward; she swears it doesn't hurt, but said it makes most people sneeze.
While that isn't permanent removal, the hair does tend to come back thinner and lighter with each waxing.
I have not, however, tried that myself and may have cringed when she described doing it to herself.

The only caveat on electrolysis is that it is permanent as it kills the hair follicle so, down the line, if you ever decide you want to grow your facial hair out again, it won't be an option.
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alex82

Yes, laser is not permanent, but if you've got the money to redo it and don't mind, it's maybe better because there is zero pain and you can shave closely throughout. I'm sure after several courses, it'll be way less. Of it may not, and you might be going grey by then.

On the subject of grey and blonde hairs, has anyone got experience with carbon dying? I believe you have to wax first, then apply the carbon dye, so the hair grows back coated dark enough for the laser to pick it up. Does it work?

As above, some people evidently do find the upper lip to be hell. Personally I don't. You might, you might not. It's definitely unpleasant, makes you sneeze, and your eyes may water, but personally, I can take it for an hour or two without painkillers.

The positive here is, when it moves over to the face, you barely notice it at all.
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CallApril

Thanks for the replies all!

I may start with laser and see how I go because cost wise it is relatively cheap and I don't really want anyone but my gf to know I'm doing it as I'm stealth transitioning and electro work leaves obvious marks.

I think I should say that the hair is actually 5 months growth but the length has been thinned about 6-8 weeks ago via and electric shaver. I never could grow a beard which is probably just as well!
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Mariah

If all done by electro you will have lots of hours. You still may need a good amount of laser, but as others have said your hairs look laser friendly. Then anything left I would do with electro. Often electro is done to clean up after laser. Hugs
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V

I went laser for a few years, and then electro to continue after that.
I still get facial hair, even after 10 years of treatment, but nowadays I just spend 30 mins each morning plucking it all out.
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Dani

As for myself, once I was on hormones and anti-androgens, I had a few full body laser sessions.  Now that I am post- op, I still need a weekly session of electrolysis on my face. I wish I had put more electrolysis time on my face pre-op.

You do what you have to do.
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CallApril

Great input thanks all.

Dani I am planning a stealth transition whilst on HRT so I am hoping in a year's time I will have FFS so would like the bulk of hormones and laser treatment to take off most the hair above.
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V

Quote from: CallApril on July 28, 2016, 05:24:22 AM
Great input thanks all.

Dani I am planning a stealth transition whilst on HRT so I am hoping in a year's time I will have FFS so would like the bulk of hormones and laser treatment to take off most the hair above.

I have heard this many times, and also it is my personal experience that hormones/hrt do not take off facial hair. Laser/IPL or Electrolysis do, but not hrt.

Can I ask what a 'stealth transition' is?
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