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CarrieLiz's GRS With Dr. Chettawut, 8/9/16

Started by Carrie Liz, August 03, 2016, 04:02:10 PM

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Carrie Liz

I finally got an appointment with a doctor. Apparently when this was just a vague "I think I have an infection in the post-SRS surgical site" the gynecologist wouldn't see me, but now that it's possibly a UTI and a vaginal infection she will. So I'll finally be going today, at 10:30 this morning. All I can say is urgh, this needs to be over NOW.  >:( (Or, in my honest self-expression, it needs to have been over with last freaking week. This is so frustrating after having felt almost completely healed for the last few days before I left Thailand, healed enough that I was able to take a 7-hour tour of the Dusit Palace, only to suddenly now feel like I've been set back by over 2 weeks, dealing with more pain and swelling and lack of ability to move than I'd dealt with since right after the packing was removed. And this has been especially scary because I can't afford any more unpaid medical leave, I only budgeted for 2 months out of work. And I'll be going back to a full-time job which involves sitting for VERY long periods every day only 4 weeks from now.)

Quote from: Miss Lux on September 13, 2016, 04:26:23 AM
what you are seeing is the lubes and betadine plus fluds from the swelling which goes down to your napkin when you get up via gravity... Remember it is a closed pouch inside and the only way out is thru the vagina.... And ur lube is water based.... D discharge u r referring to is brownish right? But if it is puss or red well that's somrthing else... But every after dilation even in the future you'll see a little bit of pseudo discharge from d lube or remaining fluids inside etc coming out via gravity... Hope it helps a little bit.....

I haven't been using the betadine solution yet. And when I spoke of "a ton of discharge," I was referring to both the fact that the stitches on the right side of my outer labia were very swollen and bleeding almost continuously, plus along with the blood there was a brownish discharge from the stitches, plus for the last couple of days my vaginal discharge has veered toward being more yellowish after having always been light pink, and it has a bit of an odd fermented kind of smell, where in Thailand it didn't really smell like anything.
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Carrie Liz

...And, just now, about 15 minutes ago, after 5 days, Dr. Chettawut finally got back to me.


Quote"Bleeding can happen for the first six months post-op. For as long as it is not active/profuse bleeding, it won't be a problem.

To help prevent bleeding, Dr. Chettawut recommends you to use plenty of lubricant gel, stay calm and relaxed when inserting the dilator. Start with the smallest dilator and its ok if you don't get the original depth for dilator no. 2 at this point but make sure you always get the original depth with the smallest dilator. Do not force the dilators, take your time and do not hurry.

The hypersensitivity of clitoris come from the impulse of nerve from the process of nerve regeneration which is normal during recovery. This may last up 1-2 years."
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reborn

It all sounds like a slight infection of the surgical site. I think that a course of antibiotics will fix the issue. It is very important to wash the dilators before every dilation with soap and water to prevent any further infection. Also make sure you wash your hands before every dilation and keep the surgical site as clean as possible. In case there is infection of the surgical site ask the doctor to prescribe you antibiotic spray that will keep the surgical site dry. Discharge is a good soil for an infection to happen. Many doctors recommend at your stage of healing bathing in salt water. It speeds up the healing process.
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Carrie Liz

Also, cruel irony, the morning that I FINALLY get a doctor's appointment is the first morning in over a week that I've genuinely felt a lot better.

Swelling's down, pain level is down, the giant pressure-causing lump that was on my right outer labia yesterday which triggered the bleeding and discharge from the stitches has gotten much smaller, and I feel less tired and light-headed than I have on any morning since the flight came back.

I'm still going to the doctor's office, there's still some rather unpleasant-smelling discharge and I did test positive on a UTI strip just yesterday so it's still absolutely necessary, but again, it figures, cruel irony, the morning that I finally get a doctor's appointment is the first morning that I start genuinely feeling better.
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Miss Lux

Do u have fever? Hopefully it's not infected... If puss is coming out definitely an infection but if it's serous or serosanguinous - it's part of normal healing... If  ever u get prescribed antibiotics make sure you finish all of it even if it looks and feels better bec if u dont complete d entire prescribed duration of antibiotic treatment you might develop mrsa or drug resistance.... When i was dilating Early post op I was using condoms with dilators , water based lube, hand sanitizer all d time, aired my vagina with cool air blower after washing, peeing, i dont just tissue after peeing i gently wash with water or water and cetaphil, was cleaning d suture line religously etc....hope everything goes well..
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mac1

Carrie any results yet? What did the doctor say?
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Carrie Liz

All right, so I officially had an appointment yesterday with the gynecologist, and I am REALLY glad that I went there rather to an urgent-care place, because while she doesn't have a lot of expertise in post-SRS recovery specifically, she was able to tell me what the discharge meant, was experienced enough to know the difference between an infectious discharge and a normal one, she is indeed super-familiar with care methods for dealing with vaginal infections and healing, and she was able to show me exactly where everything was coming from and how to care for it.

So basically, first order of business, she gave me a fresh dose of antibiotics to clear up what looked like a minor UTI and possibly some bacterial vaginosis. (Or at least that's what the visit summary paper said.)

Secondly, she was able to show me that my discharge wasn't in fact a vaginal discharge, it was coming from the healing wounds all along the inside of the inner labia just under the clitoris. Basically she showed me where I still had a raw incision wound, and explained that this was where the discharge was coming from, but it's normal, it's part of the healing process. Then she showed me that there was a lot of white skin in that area, and she explained, it's part of the wound-healing process as well, the white skin will slowly slough off as it heals, and the discharge and smell were basically just a process of skin shedding. Some of the pain was because she could see a little bit of granulation.

The swelling, she said, was likely because I re-injured the area somehow. That might be why some of the insides were still so raw while the outside was very well-healed. So there's a definite chance that I split the healing skin back open somehow either during the flight, or through the limited pulling/lifting of my baggage that I had to do on my way to and from the airport. And that resulted in a situation much like the original surgery, where for the first day I had almost no pain or swelling, I was just tired, but then the pain and swelling started kicking in the next day and were at their worst around days 4/5 afterward. So yeah, the flight... 23-hour international flights with 4 layovers extending the time sitting on a freshly-healing surgical site even more are just simply not okay however you look at them. But the good news is it's healing now.

Now in terms of treatment, to cut down on the discharge / bacterial levels and to promote healing, she recommended that I start doing twice-daily sitz baths. (And she was really shocked that Dr. Chettawut didn't say anything about them to me.) Basically what that entails is just sitting in a clean bath full of a few inches of warm water, (salts optional but recommended for maximum relief,) and letting everything irrigate for a few minutes. Either that or get a showerhead with a gentle sprayer. Something to get warm water up there to irrigate the healing wounds and get warm water directly there. The warm water promotes blood flow and therefore healing, and the irrigation keeps it clean and free from the discharge-causing buildup. And then afterward she said to dry everything with a blow-dryer on cold, because keeping things dry will keep more infections from happening.

Last piece of advice was to, if I'm swelling or in pain because of swelling, use an ice pack for a while.

Also, and this is just me, but I've noticed that the brand of sanitary pads I was using in Thailand were a lot drier to the touch than the pantyliners I switched to right before we left, so I've switched back to the original brand I was using, and hopefully that will help keep everything drier.

Anyway, those are the problems I was having... wound healing, (the gynecologist actually said "nothing special here, just basic wound maintenance.") and keeping things clean and dry as much as possible.
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mm

Liz, I am glad you got into a GYN and that your situation is not real bad.  Follow the instruction she gave you as she is definitely experienced in GYN surgeries and what problem to look for when she examined you.  You are now getting use to getting into stirrups i expect.  You also now have a GYN you can call if you have any other needs in the future.  Good luck and hope your recovery continues to go well for you.
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Michelle_P

Carrie Liz, thanks for the update.  That's wonderful news!  'Basic wound maintenance' indeed.  I think most of us non-medical types don't have all that much experience with this sort of thing, so it was good to get advice from a pro. More things for my little pre-op planning guide... :)
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Miss Lux

I'm glad you r ok... See all I said were correct hihihi ... goodluck and take it easy ;)
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Carrie Liz

Things have improved a little bit, I'm probably finally now getting back to about the energy levels and level of healing that I was at when I first started going outside the hotel in Thailand, so, well, it's something. Still a multi-week setback that I'm really not happy about, and REALLY getting frustrated because this healing is starting to drag on way too damned long, I was expecting to be done with the persistent discomfort by now. But oh well.

The big news tonight is that since I've been dilating with few issues, no more discharge, dilators are going in without much resistance, (some pain, but no resistance,) I decided that it was finally time to try the #2 dilator again.

The bad news is that it was still too tight to really get in.

The good news is that this time I did indeed get it in past the vaginal entrance, which I couldn't do last time. I probably got it about an inch in before the pressure and stretching got too much and I decided to abort mission before I hurt anything.

But yay! Progress! I actually made it in this time, even though it was only a little bit. I have a feeling that just being able to get it past the opening is probably the biggest challenge, because once you can get it in a bit, as you do it more, things will slowly start to stretch and gradually I'll be able to build up to getting it in all the way.

There was a tiny bit of blood from the stretching, but just a drop or two, nothing even remotely close to the bleeding that happened when I tried to force the #1 dilator in about 3 weeks ago.

So yeah, progress...

Slow, grinding, freaking-darn-it-why-can't-this-stupid-recovery-just-be-over-already progress...
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Dena

How long did you work with #2 before aborting the mission? I only use a dilator equal to your largest and it may take 2-3 minutes to reach full depth. I just keep a constant pressure on it and as the skin slowly stretches, it will continue to go in.

If you are doing it slowly, I suggest if #2 stops, leave it there for a few minutes to stretch out what you can instead of aborting when you have gone as far as you can.
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Carrie Liz

^It didn't stop itself. I aborted because it was too tight, (a bit tighter than the first time I used the #1 which resulted in bleeding everywhere after I forced it in and left it there for a minute,) so I recognized the danger signs, knew it was going to start bleeding if I pushed it in anymore or left it in any longer, and pulled it out before anything bad could happen. But again, point is, even though it was super-tight and going to bleed if I left it in, at least the first inch made it in for about 20 seconds. Which is way better than the first time, when I wasn't able to get it past the vaginal opening at all.
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R R H

Quote from: Carrie Liz on September 13, 2016, 07:00:50 AM
...And, just now, about 15 minutes ago, after 5 days, Dr. Chettawut finally got back to me.

I'm neither surprised nor impressed by that ...

It's great that you now seem to be getting on top of the infection Carrie. Here's to it clearing quickly and to happiness with your results in the months and years ahead. Hugs x
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Carrie Liz

Lots of improvement today, and finally, a week and a half after arriving back in America, I'm beginning to feel back to around where I was healing-wise the last week before I left Thailand.

FINALLY.

My next task is trying to catch back up to the dilation schedule, and get the #2 dilator to become a normal part of my routine. (You're supposed to do 10 minutes for the first week, then 20 minutes, then 30 minutes before moving up to #3.)

Last night I was able to get the tip in for a few moments, pain was too much, I pulled out without forcing it. I figured as long as I'm making progress each time, I'll get there. Well, just now I made more progress. I got it the whole way in, to about 5 inches of depth. I set the timer for 10 minutes, but it was really tight and really painful, (this time it was exactly as tight/painful as the very first time that I tried to force in the #1 dilator,) so I was only able to make it for about a minute.

But hey, that is definite progress! I made it all the way in with the #2, and got at least a bit of dilation with it until it became too uncomfortable. And no bleeding, so that's a big plus!

And now off for my sitz bath... (which has helped immensely with discharge. I had almost no discharge at all this morning.)
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Carrie Liz

And, one dilation later, I did it! This time, the #2 went in, and I was able to get it to full depth and do the full 10-minute dilation with it there.

So hooray! Real progress now! And as always, if at first you don't succeed, try try again. Every little step, no matter how small, means more stretching, makes it easier, more of a step in the right direction.
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R R H

Great news! Well done. Onwards and upwards from now on x
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You are now known as Carrie Perseverance  Liz.  Congratulations. Once again, thanks for this thread.

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Aria94

I've been following your surgery journey since last month, and oh god. My heart reaches out to you and that mini set back you recently just had. I'm having surgery with Chettawut also in 2 months. So excited.
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