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Did you get more aggressive on T? I am acting very out of character right now

Started by Pogotractor, August 09, 2016, 01:34:33 AM

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Pogotractor

I have never been an aggressive person. I have always been extremely calm and I have never really stood up for myself. This is only my 5th day on T and I am suddenly very assertive. Yesterday I was talking to my dad on the phone and he was basically critizising everything about me like usually. I got angry. I didn't mindlessly yell at him but I did have an angry tone and I told him some facts in a quite assertive manner. He sounded a little scared. He has never seen or heard me getting angry. Never. I didn't do that before. I never disagreed with him either. I just closed my mouth. I used to let people walk all over myself because I just didn't care.

Yeah, I am suddenly super macho man. I am ready to fight for my place and I am super confident. This scares me a little to be honest. I crave protein, oggle at pretty girls (I thought I was mostly gay. Now I even dream of girls and boobs every night) and basically feel like a huge stinky gorilla. And I keep buying wrong stuff from the grocery store. :P Have I gotten a Napoleon complex or something? Was the angry gorilla always there but I just didn't let it out? It's like it has grown super big and mad during all these years of captivity. Yeah, I like the gorilla but it needs to calm down a little. Maybe going to the gym woud help. This gorilla energy needs to go somewhere.
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Pogotractor

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on August 09, 2016, 02:14:42 AM
Several of us went out to dinner one night and on the way back to the hotel, I had to sit in the back seat of the van between two of the guys who had both taken their shot a couple of days earlier.  My purpose sitting between them was to keep them from killing each other.   LOL

Oh god, the gorilla is real!

In my first day I felt like there was a huge army of tiny orcs marching in my veins. I think they have conquered my brain.
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Mal

I haven't noticed a difference, but I've always been assertive and stubborn. As a young kid I insisted on doing things myself, and my favorite phrase was "I don't care" when people argued with me.

I wonder if it's that your self confidence has improved from being on testosterone and that's what is making you more assertive.


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Venom

When my system ran primarily on Oestrogen, I was in one of a few states more often than not. Agitated, frustated, stressed, angry or a combination of the three if I wasn't feeling empty. In my instance that was a characteristic of the depression and anxiety that I had. Even after a few months of therapy my mood was unstable at best, I'd have arguments with my mother over little things like what was for lunch. After starting Testosterone, arguments turned into discussions, agitation turned into a tolerable level of anxiousness, stress and frustration dissipated significantly and anger mostly dissolved.

It wasn't all sunshine and roses however, where Testosterone made me feel a lot better in general, it didn't stave off the symptoms of depression and anxiety. I dealt with them in a more constructive manner sure, but the lows I felt seemed to be worse, perhaps because I felt positive emotions more often. I'm now on SSRIs to treat my anxiety and depression, and that combined with Testosterone has made me a more pleasant person to be around. It didn't make me any more assertive unfortunately, I still have the spine of a sea cucumber, but that's something I'm working on along with self confidence and esteem.  :D

All things said, my experience is likely different from many others simply because I'm not you or someone else. Perhaps once you settle into HRT, your mood will become more stable. The gym sounds like a good place to direct any potentially negative energy, and will help with strength/fitness should that be your goal. I'm looking to join one too, mostly because I need to get in shape and want my physique to be more masculine. All the best!
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November Fox

Yeah I have this too. Although I call it "the Hulk".

Like you, I thought I was gay but now suddenly I´m also quite attracted to girls or at least I notice their figure. (surprise...!!). On the first day I took T (even on a low dose), I felt like I had snorted cocaine or something, I was incredibly confident and didn´t care about any of the things I usually care about in social situations (what are they thinking about me, bla bla).

I also get the sporadic outburst of anger. On E I was kind of prone to anger but that was different, mostly due to hormonal imbalance, I used to freak out completely and scream (eh... not cool). It´s different now, I get bursts of rage once in a while but they´re over very quickly (and frequently due to me being hungry in reality, or something like it).

I also have much more of an urge to get rid of that energy (to minimize the Hulk effect), usually I do that by going for a bike on my MTB, resistance training (weights) or bodyweight training. Personally I kind of like this new vibe. It gives you a drive, and if you were a doormat before, maybe there was already a drive in you to become more assertive and it´s floating to the surface now.

Congrats on starting T  8)
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FTMax

Nope, I was more aggressive pre-T. IME from talking to people, that whole "T makes you angry, T makes you aggressive" concept is a myth. I think if you're pre-disposed to heightened emotions you may struggle a bit more due to that, but for most people I know, T mellowed us out.
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November Fox

I´m not so sure it´s a myth completely. Not that I intend to derail this discussion towards that discussion.
Just want to say I´m not the only one who experiences small outbursts of more intense emotion when on T. And I think that as long as it´s not overwhelming rage that lasts for hours, it could be a good thing (like the OP said he now is not okay with being a doormat anymore). As long as you know how to deal with it in a healthy way.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Early in the process it's also possible to have elevated E and T levels at the same time, and this can cause extreme moods including rages. Once your system knocks back its endogenous hormone production, expect this to level out.

That new found confidence will probably stick around. You'll need it because transitioning is hard.
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Drexy/Drex

I can say  for certain t makes you more aggressive  the more you take the wilder it gets ive been on hrt for t for a number of years now
but when i first started it i ignored my doc,s regimen and dosed more frequently in the beginning  i lost my cool but that usally happenes when youve been without  normal t levels and suddenly  you get the rush ..can catch you off guard but it levels  out eventually  ive observed this ina couple of friends who went on t  as well ,but in saying that here i sit in my room  with a t level 3 times the norm ( because i,m naughty ) and i,m as polite and gentle as can be , other men admire or fear me me woman look at me , and yet for all my masculinity  etc
All i can dwell on is changing  my body to female because thats where my spirit is at .... a friend once said to me i should be more aware  of my alpha male statue,  but i dont feel that way i play my role i guess
But yes t will make you aggressive  beyond normal
Well time to sleep ...another day of pantomime  tommorrow sighs
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November Fox

I know that cismales can get aggressive when they have too much T in their system (in the case of testosterone replacement therapy) but I don´t think it´s that frequent in transmen. Taking three times as much T than is recommended doesn´t seem like such a good thing to do IMHO. If anything, excess T converts back into estrogen...
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IdontEven

I'm sorry, I was just wandering by and overheard this -

Quote from: Pogotractor on August 09, 2016, 02:35:27 AM
Oh god, the gorilla is real!

In my first day I felt like there was a huge army of tiny orcs marching in my veins. I think they have conquered my brain.

Ha! That is such a hilarious description. Good luck with all that, dude! :)

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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KarlMars

I'm pre T until September and already have rages and aggression when I don't get out of the house and get enough exercise, but I'm also bi polar and nothing helps stabilize me like a few hours at the gym. The gym will be your best friend. If you don't have access to a gym walk around with headphones.

Mal

Quote from: alienbodybuilder on August 10, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
I'm pre T until September and already have rages and aggression when I don't get out of the house and get enough exercise, but I'm also bi polar and nothing helps stabilize me like a few hours at the gym. The gym will be your best friend. If you don't have access to a gym walk around with headphones.

I had aggression before T, too, but I had a lot of fatigue partly from depression. On T I have more energy, which allows me to be more motivated to workout, so I actually seem to have less aggression than before.


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Drexy/Drex

Oops November fox  I might be on wrong thread, well with  the high t ...I have anti estrogens on hand
Interesting experiencing high e ....the emotional side  crying over some scene in snowwhite .....kinda nice really to ne able.to express emotions ....
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Pogotractor

Sorry for not replying earlier. I got a little sick.

Your responses are very interesting. We usually talk a lot about the physical side rather than the mental. A book with transpeoples' experiences (explained on their own words) about the mental effects of HRT would be very interesting to read.

I laughed so hard at that orc video! That is how it happened. I think the orcs liberated my brain. The oppressed brain cells are now having a party with the orcs.

I am really starting to realize that I was a bigger doormat than I imagined. I have basically trained people around me to disrespect me. If somebody claimed that dandelions are blue I wouldn't have argued. I would admit that maybe it's me who is wrong. I was so numb I just didn't care. I had basically no emotions before. Just anxiety that sometimes got very bad. Last time somebody got really angry (it wasn't even directed at me) I curled into a corner behind a dog and had a panic attack. I didn't know what to do since I didn't even understand why they needed to yell like that. I don't know what I was so afraid of. These people were actually cowards. They are not right about many things no matter how much they think they are and they are sometimes unreasonable. I have had enough of that.

I care about my life now. I had to fight over two years to get T and I have wanted this every day for 14 years. There is no way I am going to be a doormat anymore. I am liberated.



Ugh... I was just applying the gel (T) and the doorbell rang. I was naked and covered in T that needs to absorb for a couple of minutes more before I put the clothes on. I hope I didn't loose much of it. The guy behind the door looked like it was important. He just asked me if I have noticed any weird smells in the building (I hope it is not my cats' litterbox). I really would prefer the injections. That guy has now idea of how many orcs he might have destroyed.
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Ayden

Quote from: FTMax on August 09, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Nope, I was more aggressive pre-T. IME from talking to people, that whole "T makes you angry, T makes you aggressive" concept is a myth. I think if you're pre-disposed to heightened emotions you may struggle a bit more due to that, but for most people I know, T mellowed us out.
This.


I'm extremely calm now and have been for the entire 4 years I've been on T. Before I was a bit of an emotional wreck, and the 8 months I lost my hormones I was an absolute nightmare to be around. In fact, everyone with a nasty temper in my family is female. Most of the men are really chill, so I don't buy into the "men are more aggressive" stereotype.



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CMD042414

Quote from: FTMax on August 09, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Nope, I was more aggressive pre-T. IME from talking to people, that whole "T makes you angry, T makes you aggressive" concept is a myth. I think if you're pre-disposed to heightened emotions you may struggle a bit more due to that, but for most people I know, T mellowed us out.

I wholeheartedly agree about the myth thing. I think if you always had a shorter fuse or low tolerance for certain things being on T just makes it manifest differently.
Started T: April 2014
Top Surgery: June 2014
Hysterectomy: August 2015
Phalloplasty: Stage 1-August 2018
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