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Is a therapist a prerequisite for transitioning ?

Started by Drexy/Drex, August 10, 2016, 06:50:02 AM

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Drexy/Drex

Quote from: kaitylynn on August 14, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
In California, I was able to start HRT
without a letter...but have a therapist that wrote one up and simply left it in my file. 
My doctor never asked to see it or talk with my therapist.  I have met a few people that
have never seen a therapist and they are
doing fine, but have to agree that having
the objective ear is nice.

Good to hear ...I may just bite the bullet and find someone to talk to im not sure whether I should tell my doc or.find another...I really only see doctors to get what I want or if im ill and because of my work situation in remote sites I tend to just see anu doc available I dont have one looking after me
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karenpayneoregon

I needed one therapist for hormones. For surgery with Marci Bowers, she requires two letters with one from a Phd and since Marci was my chosen surgeon I saw a 2nd therapist who agreed to write a letter after two visits but wanted to see me over the course of a year which turned out to be several more visits with her.

I am by far no expert with this but it seemed that when doing research the requirement these days is set by the surgeon. Seems the two major factors are, is surgery right for the client and can the client survive the real life test. In regards to the real life test, I think the year requirement should be variable as some have been living full time and doing all the right things with the right mindset. 
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Drexy/Drex

Thanks karen,
  .                          What  country ? Is that year requirement pre hrt or during or post hrt ? I'm assuming it is for srs ?
Quote from: karenpayneoregon on August 16, 2016, 07:55:51 PM
I needed one therapist for hormones. For surgery with Marci Bowers, she requires two letters with one from a Phd and since Marci was my chosen surgeon I saw a 2nd therapist who agreed to write a letter after two visits but wanted to see me over the course of a year which turned out to be several more visits with her.

I am by far no expert with this but it seemed that when doing research the requirement these days is set by the surgeon. Seems the two major factors are, is surgery right for the client and can the client survive the real life test. In regards to the real life test, I think the year requirement should be variable as some have been living full time and doing all the right things with the right mindset. 
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Dena

When I transitioned, the standards were a year of HRT and cross living before surgery though exceptions were made. The reason was because some people would become disturbed by the changes HRT made to their body and others might not be comfortable in the new role. Those weren't hard set standards and depending on other factors, some times the wait was shorter and some doctors wanted two years. The one I don't hear about any more was we were required to have at least half our facial hair removed before surgery as a test of our determination. As laser hair removal hadn't been invented yet, it was a real test.
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Drexy/Drex

Mmm that is a test alright bit unfair
But I kinda understand living for year on hrt...makes sense,  those links to before an after make me want it so bad makes.me yearn for it ...when I go on r&r I'm seeing my doctor or a.doctor and.hit them /hmm for treatment if they want me.to see a therapist I will, I don't think I need to but as liz said I might be doing myself an injustice. ...just dont want to blow my money on a . shrink so I hope its free as that money will be needed for other things
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CaRenaetx

Quote from: markie on August 10, 2016, 06:50:02 AM
Hi  is it really nessary in all cases ? I mean if your middle aged like myself  do i need someone else to tell me how i feel, when i think about it no male is going to want to  change their body and life on a whim
To me this site with all the input and experences from others who are on the path and walked the path provides insights that no academic  could duplicate so i guess in a sense  susans place is my therapy but then i,m old enough to make my own judgements  and take note of the advise of others who have more experience.
But i guess if your battling with the decision  then some gentle guidance  would be benificial...and i guess we are all different with our life situations

If you have a Therapist that is versed in the ways of Transition they can be a guide and help you not make mistakes or help you around situations that you might not otherwise realize were affecting you.

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Drexy/Drex

Yes that makes sense i'm going to start looking for with that experience
Can't hurt.....thanks :)

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Drexy/Drex

Found a female therapist
210 $45mins ..ouch
But I found this group who can help with referrals etc
http://www.livingproud.org.au

Thanks for steering me.in the right direction and taking.the time :)
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karenpayneoregon

Quote from: markie on August 16, 2016, 10:43:49 PM
Thanks karen,
  .                          What  country ? Is that year requirement pre hrt or during or post hrt ? I'm assuming it is for srs ?
I'm in the USA where the requirement was for one year and strictly adhered to for many years but as my therapist indicated the rule had been in recent times open to the therapist for the time spent with the real life test. For me she saw me every couple of months. Right from the start she said I was without question a candidate for gender reassignment surgery but had written letters for Marci Bowers before and drew from prior clients.

I also will note that with a recent male to female I have been assisting in recent weeks was able to have gender reassignment surgery without a PHd. She is low income and it appears to me the rules were very much relaxed for her. Just goes to show how rules can be done for different people.
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Drexy/Drex

Its good that the prerequisites  are being relaxed   in the beginning  of my post i menrion the year trial ...it was so long i heard about in fact before the internet  and being ignorant i assumed  it was still in force...i thought it used to be the same way here in australia ....the reall life test is maybe unfair if the person is not on hrt or has been ....i suppose its okay if you have that feminine  look but the thought of myself doing something like that without hrt ....is harrowing mind you theres nothimg remotely  feminine  looking about me
Hence my intrest in ffs
Thanks Karen
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CaRenaetx

Quote from: markie on August 17, 2016, 02:32:32 AM
Yes that makes sense i'm going to start looking for with that experience
Can't hurt.....thanks :)
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Drexy/Drex

Yes I can see its not prerequisite but can be important. ..I had some online counselling
Last night very basic I think the most portant thing that was communicated to me was that I need help of other people as I can't do this by myself. ..I understand that now  and  I now know the organisation here in wa to contact trans/health wa and theres  also a list of online counselers on this site which is good for me.
.being a worker on remote sites
So I will contact them and see what they
I think for me the transition is not the block
But trying to dig myself out from under this male ego and that is where a therapist will be good , everynow I get thoughts coming through that have been repressed
Thanks   CaRenaetx
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Jean24

Unfortunately it still is fairly important at this point to have a therapist. The thought of people actually ending up in the wrong body is horrifying for people to accept and so the sociopolitical climate influences our care and how it works.

Transsexuality is still incorrectly viewed as some kind of mental problem by low information individuals which is delaying the evolution of our care, from how we navigate the system right down to the techniques that are used. Policy makers in politics and mental medical doctor associations are afraid of their potential backlash so things have always been awfully slow to change. For example, SRS was developed in Germany in the 1930s and has evolved little since. As for the system, we're still required to talk to a mental healthcare provider about our medical needs in order to receive care - something that almost no other medical or physical problems require.

I've recently come to the conclusion of all of that and IMO this is it: Therapists are largely necessary for the time being to access medical care. Without them it severely limits your options for medicine and surgery. The average therapist has absolutely no idea how transsexuality works and none of them have the professional expertise in treating anything transgender related. Dosages of hormones? Your primary care doctor and pharmacist. FFS? Your plastic surgeon. SRS? Your urologist/plastic surgeon. Just don't forget that your relationship with a therapist, conserning solely transgender issues, is a formality.
Trying to take it one day at a time :)
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Drexy/Drex

Yes I agree I'm a bit more informed now ,
and yes , I would think imformed transgender therapists would be thin on the ground.....I dont know what the waiting time is in perth Australia but hopefully not to long ..I wonder if over seas therapist's would hold any weight with australian doc, sthough I did use my test results from thailand to get on male hrt but that was aprivate script,
If I'm to do this right I will need access to an endo to get me started  and for that I'll need a referral from a.doc and then for that I'll need one from a therapist
Transgender face a lot of blocks
Put up by ignorant people I think
Thanks for the info :)
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