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kelly_aus

Just a tip.. If you continue to annoy mental health professionals, you'll end up somewhere that you can't leave..
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Xirafel

Quote from: kelly_aus on October 23, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
Just a tip.. If you continue to annoy mental health professionals, you'll end up somewhere that you can't leave..
Don't worry, I've had suicide on the table as an option for quite a while, I always have the option of taking like 20 pills one day and passing away. I'll never speak to one again, okay? Satisfied? x.x
And I can't be bothered to talk to her anymore, also what's she going to do from Europe? Is she God?

Please stop trolling. I was half-tempted to play dumb and act as if I didn't notice.
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Xirafel

Quote from: Magicka on October 23, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
C'mon don't be talking about smashing yourself up, and breaking bones and all that brutal stuff. How wide can your shoulders be? Also what is your rib cage circumference? Lastly I'l like to know your waist at it's smallest point and your hips at the widest point for you waist to hip ratio please. I know it's a lot of questions but I'm trying to help.

Before I started horribly planned self-med hrt when I was almost 27 years(then I was on herbal therapy) old my shoulders were 16 inches wide I was 5 foot 9.5 tall as well. My underbust was 35.75 inches my waist was 33 inches while my hips were 37 inches as was my breasts. I had a waist to hip ratio of 0.91 not very good at all. But you see hrt generally healthy diet including healthy fats and more cardio really helps. At my prettiest and most fit in my transition before going backwards from short hrt supply and micro dosing myself I was fairly slender. I was being called ma'am  95% of the time too. My measurements were...


Bust 37.5
Underbust 33
Waist 30.5
Hips 38
Weighting 155 lbs and being 5 foot 8 inches tall. My waist to hip at this point was good for a female at 0.802

My only problem then was my 13.5 inches biceps I still had and my 6.75 inch wrists and 7.125 inch long hands eww!

Seriously. there was that much 5s I swear.

I'm reversing sadly here is my measurements now...

Bust 36
Underbust 33
Waist 32
Hips 37.5

shoot now my waist to hip is 0.85!
I'm terrible at measuring things, but I think this is vaguely accurate:

A height of 160cm aka 5'3. I'm taller than the measuring tape, so I had to get... Creative. Maybe, a doctor might be better at measuring it.
From one shoulder to another, it would be about 46cm. From one to my neck, it's about 19cm. This one was hard to measure on myself, so it might be wrong. I did notice that the sizes of clothing were like 38cm x.x
Bust size is about 31 inches. Hip size is about 31.5 inches. Waist size is about 28.5 inches. Don't know about the others, I think I have measuring tape around here somewhere.
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Magicka

Quote from: Xirafel on October 23, 2016, 05:49:05 PM
Don't worry, I've had suicide on the table as an option for quite a while, I always have the option of taking like 20 pills one day and passing away. I'll never speak to one again, okay? Satisfied? x.x
And I can't be bothered to talk to her anymore, also what's she going to do from Europe? Is she God?

Please stop trolling. I was half-tempted to play dumb and act as if I didn't notice.


God no don't KILL yourself! I'm sure you are better looking than you say you are. You sound like you are half way between an apple and a rectangle body type. You know hormones, time, healthy diet, and feminizing lower body workouts can actually shift you to a semi-hourglass figure it can happen. There is also surgery like breast augmentation and body contouring. If you ever decided to get those when you are more financial secure WAIT until after hrt and personal efforts gives you everything it can in and of itself usually around 5 years before modifying your body with that stuff. That way you can just build upon your fully developed bodies natural attributes.

Please just no self loathing and hate.
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DuchessBianca

I do hope that you never do the horrible, I personally understand a lot of what your feeling as most people here I'm sure do. Started HRT on May 20th of this year, so just a little over 5 months, 4 months regular dosage as the first month was low dose. At the time I started HRT I weighed 243 pounds, been working my but off having finally found a reason to live so I weigh less. As much as it pains me everyday I've accepted that I'll never have a small frame. I'm currently 5'9" 186 pounds, size 12 mens shoes, 6.8" wrist, 16" shoulders, 42" hips, 35" waist, bust measurement are 40B. The only things I might have going for me is I'm relatively young (Just turned 25 a few weeks ago) my natural voice is a slightly higher tone and when I lived with my mother before I moved out 3 years ago my family members couldn't tell if it was me or my mother whenever I would answer the phone, and my adams apple is barely visible. I struggle daily wishing time would advance fast as 5 months is nothing in the grand scheme of the 3-5 years on average it takes for HRT to provide most of it's results. My goal is 160 pounds so with those remaining 26 pounds and a year or 2 of male bulk going away I should get a smaller but I doubt I'll ever have a tiny frame. As much of a toll all of the above does I find the resolve to live because as much torture as my current life has given me it's the only life I'm guaranteed to have and as much as I hope and wish some heaven, reincarnation or something will give me my rewards in another life for all my current suffering I honestly have know clue if such a thing does/will ever exist and the fear of dying never even getting to be myself even with as huge of a disadvantage I have is probably worse then the pain of accepting the shortcomings/available treatments for me.

Sorry for such a huge wall of text above I didn't mean to turn your thread into one about me but my hope was to maybe inspire even a tiny bit of hope or cheer you up, theres no cherry picking how much this situation sucks for all off us, a small error none of us ever had any control over and it causes us to deal with tons of pain, pain which most people will never have to deal with or understand. The only thing we can do is try and do our best which is certainly easier said then done but we aren't alone ^_^ I really do hope you find a good psychiatrist and can get the treatment that you want the most, regardless of your current physical body your no less a girl then anyone! Sorry I know I typed so much and probably failed trying to be an internet counselor T_T Haha
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Xirafel

I half-expected this to happen, as my psychologist is over three times my age and they had a completely different way of dealing with these sorts of issues back in the '60s (she was probably a psychologist back then too), but it's not like I have that much of a choice. My parents hold the lion's share of the money around here and they decided that they liked her.

I might play dumb with them about what she said (Recommendations? What recommendations? I didn't hear any from her!) and see if a doctor can come up with a recommendation for a psychologist who isn't likely to prescribe me anti-psychotics. For whatever reason, they don't want my opinion on where to go.

Someone decided to be snarky about how I was desperately latching onto her, you know the one, but let's see if they can come up with a solution, if they think they're such an expert. Luckily, I've been dealing with trolls for a decade, if it was someone else then that would be a shove in the horrible direction, but I still don't find it fun.

If I didn't take things into my own hands, then who knows when I would get started. In six months? A year? Two?
And who knows whether I'll be flown over to another country, possibly the U.K. where it can apparently take two years simply to get started in that time, including humiliating myself by running around in a dress for a year to convince them that I'm legitimate.
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Xirafel

Quote from: Magicka on October 23, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
God no don't KILL yourself! I'm sure you are better looking than you say you are. You sound like you are half way between an apple and a rectangle body type. You know hormones, time, healthy diet, and feminizing lower body workouts can actually shift you to a semi-hourglass figure it can happen. There is also surgery like breast augmentation and body contouring. If you ever decided to get those when you are more financial secure WAIT until after hrt and personal efforts gives you everything it can in and of itself usually around 5 years before modifying your body with that stuff. That way you can just build upon your fully developed bodies natural attributes.

Please just no self loathing and hate.
Five years... I'll be even older and uglier by then... Most of my life has already gone by.
I'll just be a horrifically ugly corporate slave with no life.
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Xirafel

Hm, maybe I can burn the facial hair off... Or shave it off and then sandpaper it really hard...? Will that work...?
Pesky hair. It keeps regenerating like a monster.
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Dena

Quote from: Xirafel on October 23, 2016, 09:53:15 PM
Five years... I'll be even older and uglier by then... Most of my life has already gone by.
I'll just be a horrifically ugly corporate slave with no life.
If you redirect your effort to figuring out how to make a pile of money, your transition issues would be solved. I found a profession that paid me to have fun. I programed computers in college for nothing and enjoyed it so much, I wanted to do it professionally. There is life beyond the transition so it's time you spent some effort deciding what you are going to do after you compete your transition. You have no desire to be a corporate slave so what is your ideal future and how will you reach that goal?
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Xirafel

Hm, there's a lot less pain than yesterday, although my ears are a little achy x.x
My ideal future... After completing the transition? There is no end to the transition. The transition is eternal o.o
And it'll cost me like $100K to get everything done, so much money... and I'll be even more old and ugly... x.x

Do you mean how long it would take for me not to be treated like a second class citizen? Well, if people really start abusing me after the changes appear, then I could always take like 50 pills and bring an end to my misery. One of the possible side-effects of these pills is sudden death, it's there in the list :o

It's silly when people think that we take hormones for fun when we have all sorts of exciting side-effects like that :(

Okay, with any luck, the ear ache will vanish too, I hope. The initial side-effects of these pills just hit me like a truck and I'm not even taking that much yet. I'll have to adapt to it. Mm.

I'm so childish, grimacing at the sight of a name. Stupid me. Useless. Trash.
Uh, apparently I get to see a doctor soon after-all. Yay, doctors :)
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Magicka

How old are you again? You say you live with your parents but you also said that "most of my life has already gone by" when you responded to my statement concerning contouring and augmentation AFTER your body matured it's way from hrt for enough time. I though you were in your late teens or early 20s though!? ??? Why are you so bitter? What do you mean your hair regenerates itself and that it needs to be "BURNED OFF" what the hell? If you have fair skin and darkish to especially full blown dark hair than LASER works like a charm! Heck laser has even improved enough for fair skin and light hair to work albeit not as well but results are possible. Then on the other hand there is Electrolysis which is the one true PRR method that works on all skin and hair types. No fire or magma required to remove hair. :o

There is hope unless your like an orc from Lord of the Rings or something similar I'm sure you are not like that by any means. ;)
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Xirafel

Quote from: Magicka on October 24, 2016, 05:22:54 AM
How old are you again? You say you live with your parents but you also said that "most of my life has already gone by" when you responded to my statement concerning contouring and augmentation AFTER your body matured it's way from hrt for enough time. I though you were in your late teens or early 20s though!? ???
Mm, most of my life has gone by. I'm just old and miserable now. Teens? I wish. Well, half of the people on these forums would probably kill for the chance to go back to their teens. Early 20s? You could say that.

Quote from: Magicka on October 24, 2016, 05:22:54 AMWhy are you so bitter?
Because I look like a... monster... It's horrible...

Quote from: Magicka on October 24, 2016, 05:22:54 AMIf you have fair skin and darkish to especially full blown dark hair than LASER works like a charm! Heck laser has even improved enough for fair skin and light hair to work albeit not as well but results are possible. Then on the other hand there is Electrolysis which is the one true PRR method that works on all skin and hair types. No fire or magma required to remove hair. :o
Someone told me that it was ridiculously difficult to get rid of it with the costs going up to something ridiculous for facial hair specifically. I'm a student, so I'm poor. I can't spend thousands of dollars on getting rid of it :(

Quote from: Magicka on October 24, 2016, 05:22:54 AMLASER
Maybe, one of those sci-fi laser guns might work.

I also hear that I'll probably be banned from the toilets and might have to do it behind a tree or something.
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Xirafel

Hm, I just measured the waist size, I last measured it months ago and it's 69cm now.
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Sharon Anne McC

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Xirafel:

You are never too old to start.  You are relatively quite young at your current starting age according to how you describe yourself here.  I know at least two people among my trans support groups who started in their late-60s; one is currently pre-op, the other had her GCS / SRS at age 70.  I have come to personally befriend through my trans support groups at least another dozen people all in their 50s or 60s who are currently transitioning or completed their GCS / SRS within the past two years.  Their outlook is quite positive with no regrets for changing this late in life.  I correspond via e-mail with another handfull who live across the Earth also who are in their 50s or 60s and glad they waited.

Certainly youth has its benefits - 'T' has less time to do its destruction.

Know that your path will be on your timeline - please take a moment to think through where you fit and go with the flow.

If you will be returning to the British Isles, you can find posts here at Susan's Place from fellow Brits who can inform you about physicians and surgeons in the system there.

There are numerous threads here to help you with all the processes and timelines - therapy, hormone 'cocktail', electrolysis / laser, RLE to female full-time.  Allow me to second Veronica's five-point goals list (Reply #68).

Laser was actually kinda fun.  One post-op friend recently lured me to her salon for a touch-up.  Two or three more visits and I shall be done for ever.  It did not hurt one bit.  And now I have that experience to comment on it from experience.

You take issue about the cost of drugs.  The major national chain store here in the USA where I buy my prescription charges USA$10 for a three months supply each of estrogen and progesterone.  Enquire at your national chain drug stores at Australia if they offer such programs.  As for 'pills pills pills' - more is NOT better.  Your endocrinologist will review your medical circumstance and match your dose to achieve the correct hormone level as determined by blood tests.

Locate and participate in trans support groups where you reside.  Likely most larger communities have at least one, maybe more groups with different formats and member activities.  They are good places to share experiences.  They will provide reliable referrals to physicians and counsellors.  Someone at group may be able to provide well-needed hand-holding as you wind your way through all that is new and unknown to you.

Many government and government-sponsored grant-financed medical services in the USA provide alternate fee scales based upon income; enquire if there are any where you reside.  I did sessions last year with two counsellors for $16 per session.  Maybe if your college includes a medical school, they may provide such sliding scale services.

Consider attending college courses in either human anatomy and physiology or comparative anatomy.  These classes will help you understand the biological processes in a way that you seem to be yearning to know.  If you can't afford that extra cost, then take an hour or two each week reading medical textbooks, befriend medical students, or maybe you can get a student job at a school laboratory.

If your ultimate plan is GCS / SRS, then it will do you well to begin enquiries. There are many surgeons around the world.  I think there is a surgeon in the UK and one at Netherlands.  Of course there are the 'Big Three' of Thailand (Dr. Chettawut, Dr. Suporn, and PAI).  There is nothing lost by researching them and perhaps beginning a correspondence with them to determine who meets your needs.  Some surgeons have waiting lists that are years long.

You must do nothing to damage your anatomy!!!  Surgeons will use what you have to re-form you.  Do you want to know exactly?  There are several threads here that describe the surgery.  Briefly, the male penis is the homologue to female labia minora and clitoris; the scrotal sac will line your neo-vagina.  You do NOT want to damage your anatomy!!!  There are many of us here who are post-op; ask or PM any of us and we'll tell you all the details.  Veronica is talking straight talk to you.

Many who opt for VFS go to Ye-son (South Korea).  Allow me to second what Sidney wrote.  I, too, was a singer who kept my female range.  Whether that helpt or not, my voice did not masculinise.

Not everyone requires or requests thyroid cartilage shave or FFS.  Hormones can help in those departments - again, especially while you are young. 

Speaking for myself, I went through years of transition questioning my appearance all for nothing.  In the midst of thinking I appeared too male, strangers were calling me 'Miss' and clocking me as female without me trying.  It was my 'male fail' period.  Present yourself as female and people will accept you as female.  Yes, it IS that simple.

I chuckled when you commented about your mother.  My mother also refused to take my transition seriously, she told me that she thought my pills were candy imitation, and seeing me as female did not convince her to the day she died.  My dad knew it was real, but could not accept it.  My sister still seems to not grasp the reality; she thinks I am a balding, beer-bellied man who wears dresses. 

I frequently explain to people that I have no regrets other than not doing my transition better.  There is nothing wrong with the 'go slow' approach.  Look at my timeline - my transition took 11 years; I have no regrets about that duration.  I would have kept at it if it took 50 years.  Perhaps for me, five years could have been too quick.  You will determine your own timeline to meet your needs.  You will do well as you make carefull decisions.

Please read DuchessBianca's post.  She has overcome much.  So will you in your own way as we all do.  Likewise, as Dena posted, your life is not your transition but what you do with your life before, during, and after you complete transition at whatever extent satisfies you (see this thread here at Susan's: 'When does transition end?' through the 'Transitioning' section; 'https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,215699.0.html').

You express bitterness at your current appearance.  Most of us started quite awkward and proceeded to pretty good results.  It did not occur over-night - it took time.  See how we all started compared to now.  Check out such threads as 'The All New 'Before & After Topic v 3.0' (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,168444.1620.html&#8217).  You can find me at 'Reply #1632' (Thank you, Mariah).  BTW, do I appear like a bald, fat man in a dress?

Take good care of your self and your self will take good care of you.

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PS:  My apologies to the audience for writing a tome.  Xirafel raised many issues and I wanted to get to them for her and anyone else whom this can help.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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Xirafel

#154
Okay, they booked an appointment at the doctors. They can't back out now, haha :D
Anything particular I should say there?  ???

Popped another pill. Timing is a tough one, I took it 10 minutes late x.x

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on October 24, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
You take issue about the cost of drugs.  The major national chain store here in the USA where I buy my prescription charges USA$10 for a three months supply each of estrogen and progesterone.  Enquire at your national chain drug stores at Australia if they offer such programs.  As for 'pills pills pills' - more is NOT better.  Your endocrinologist will review your medical circumstance and match your dose to achieve the correct hormone level as determined by blood tests.
I can't get an endocrinologist, I have to go through the system first which involves getting a referral, and my psychologist won't have any of that. She referred me to a psychologist who deals with anxiety, mood disorders and schizophrenia instead of a psychologist who deals with anxiety, transgender, etc.

Also, your costs are lower by a factor of ten (I might be a little off, currency conversions are a tricky thing).
And that's just the estradiol valerate which costs me $80AUD, but I have the pills so that's great.
Anti-androgens have the same cost, yay.

The reason why I can get away with simply popping more is because I accidentally got too many.
I'm not complaining about that though, who would give up free stuff?

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on October 24, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
Consider attending college courses in either human anatomy and physiology or comparative anatomy.  These classes will help you understand the biological processes in a way that you seem to be yearning to know.  If you can't afford that extra cost, then take an hour or two each week reading medical textbooks, befriend medical students, or maybe you can get a student job at a school laboratory.
I don't really particularly care about becoming a doctor, so no.
I have no desire to dissect corpses, etc. to train to be a doctor. It was bad enough back when I had to go to school when I was cutting open organs from... A pig, I believe. Ugh, that was horrible...

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on October 24, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
Not everyone requires or requests thyroid cartilage shave or FFS.  Hormones can help in those departments - again, especially while you are young.
If I want to be discriminated against and treated like a freak. I super, super need it.
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Xirafel

Urm, uh... It leaked again... How do I stop it from leaking...? Stupid thing.
Only small occasional throbs of pain in that thing now.

With any luck, the evil hormone is being kept in check. Hopefully.
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Xirafel

http://hairremoval.about.com/od/laser/a/laser-perm.htm

QuoteHere's the fact: There is no 100% guaranteed permanent hair removal method. Electrolysis is approved by the FDA for permanent hair removal, and has the best overall results over any other method for ridding hair for long periods of time, or even permanently. But studies have shown it doesn't give everyone these permanent results forever.
QuoteSome laser centers make it sound that you'll never have to be reunited with your hair again, just by getting the right amount of visits with their machine. As to date, there is no laser hair removal equipment that has been approved by the FDA for permanent hair removal. However, the FDA has approved laser hair removal machines with permanent hair reduction because it can get rid of hair on the right candidates for long periods of time with multiple treatments. Generally, the right candidates are considered those with light to medium skin tones and dark hair.
Urmm...
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Xirafel


Hmm... I wonder how muscle regenerates...
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Xirafel

#158
Urmm... So.... I have an appointment with a doctor, appointments are always good :)
What should I say to the doctor? I think my parents probably want a recommendation, referral or whatever it is that it's called from hir.

With any luck, it would be a recommendation for a psychologist who won't think I'm crazy.
Also, I discovered that I can rip bits of body hair out with my teeth, unfortunately I can't do that to facial hair, are these hairs gone forever? The hair on my head, body and face is thick and black. My skin was pale, but I think the sun made it a slightly darker now.

Also, the pain from these pills are dying down a little. More pain would be nice. More. More. More. Pain is a beautiful thing. Pain makes the pain go away.
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Xirafel

Urmm, sorry. I'm probably spamming this thread up with posts today x.x

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on October 24, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
Locate and participate in trans support groups where you reside.  Likely most larger communities have at least one, maybe more groups with different formats and member activities.  They are good places to share experiences.  They will provide reliable referrals to physicians and counsellors.  Someone at group may be able to provide well-needed hand-holding as you wind your way through all that is new and unknown to you.
Y...Y...Y...You... want me to go to such a pl...place... l...looking... and sounding... like this...? :o
Urm, uh... And what if I run into someone on these forums t...there...? That would be super em...barrassing... I'm really, really super s...shy... I'm not sure I would even make it through the door... I would stare at it from a distance and keep going... Uuuuu....

Urm, so how do I do FFS without driving myself into debt? Maybe, I need some large loans? o.o
Any recommendations on that? I might want to get rid of that thing too... Hm... Face takes priority. Yeah.
Can it even fix something this grotesque? What if they botch the surgery? Aaaaaaaa
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