What surgeries do I need to pass?

[ashadyna]

Hi all!  I am 27 years old and beginning my transition from male to female.  I am pre-HRT, but should be starting hormones next month.  I am looking for an assessment of how much FFS would likely be needed for me to pass as female.  This is partially for financial planning.  I likely would not get any surgery for at least 3 years.

Please provide honest feedback.  I am generally comfortable with how I look, and have already socially transitioned.  But I would like more information on surgical options that will help me find greater acceptance in a female role.  Thank you!!!

Link
http://m.imgur.com/a/2L9dc

[AnonyMs]

Laser and Electrolysis for hair removal can be quite expensive. Did you do that already?

I don't know much about these things, but you might not need any surgery once you've been on HRT a while.

[ashadyna]

Laser and Electrolysis for hair removal can be quite expensive. Did you do that already?

I don't know much about these things, but you might not need any surgery once you've been on HRT a while.

I'm making progress but still at the early stages of beard removal.  Thanks for your perspective!

[ashadyna]

A user sent me a PM offering commentary but requested my permission before posting.  Unfortunately, each time I try to reply, I receive an error message indicating I am not allowed to send messages.

Does anyone know what the issue could be?

Regardless, to the person who messaged me, you have my permission to post your thoughts.  Thanks!

[Madison (kiara jamie)]

OH MY GOD.....your little one is so cute, just those little toes and fingers, and that smile just forces me to smile uncontrollably and talk in a baby voice,

anyways sorry about the outburst, now i believe that honesty is the best way to go because i get sick of asking for help about my own image and all i get is overly supportive comments that make me feel like im being lied too and can't get the honest truth, so i will give you my honest opinion because that is what i would hope you would give me in return,



so the one thing that hormones cannot change is bones and cartilage(i know cartilage can change slightly but not much), so the typical masculine features that most transwomen our age deal with that will most likely not change are brow bossing, nose shape, chin shape/jaw, and trachea, so those are the only area's i think are worth worrying about, as for lips and cheeks i found mine changed a lot from hormones and getting those area's modified ends up just making you look unnatural and overdone

so in your case you actually have a very similar face to my own,

you do have a masculine brow ridge, now it will soften slightly due to hrt over time and mine did, but i still feel that it will be an area that you will struggle with like myself later on down the road,

now you also have a very prominent nose, now it is straight and narrow which is very attractive in the straight on front profile but as in the same case as myself you will struggle with your side profile, and a rhinoplasty would benefit you very much and in almost everyone's case who doesn't want their nose to look different,

as for your jaw/chin i believe you have an acceptably feminine jaw and the jaw gets softened slightly due to muscle reduction in the masseter muscle area, now as for your chin, you have the same side profile as myself and have what is considered a "weak chin", basicly it means that your chin is not as prominent as most others, and also in the frontal profile your chin does have a slight squareness to it, the only thing i would assume that would be necessary is to get a chin implant that would bring it forward and also change its shape to make it more slender and pointed,

and finally the trachea is the one area that i cannot make proper judgement from your pictures because i cannot see if you have and adams apple or not and would have to be your own judgement,

now from what i said i dont believe you would need anything more than those changes and in reality you might not need those changes in the future depending on how you change with hrt, and 3 years down the road you might not even care anymore because in most cases passing is just as simple as confidence and personality and just smiling more often, so dont think you can't pass without surgery because you do in the first picture

[Rachel]

Hi, you need a minimum post count to reply to a PM. The post count is in the terms of service TOS.

Madison has a very good perspective on your masculine features. I suggest being on HRT for a year before making FFS decisions.

The center line of the face is most important. Sinus/brow bossing, nose, upper lip and chin. Followed by mandible and cheek fat injections.

[ashadyna]

Thanks Rachel and Madison for the thoughtful feedback.  I am going to try to avoid making any surgical decisions until I have been on hormones for a couple years, but it's useful to hear opinions on which procedures would be most helpful.  I'm hoping I will be happy enough with the HRT effects, that I can just accept my remaining flaws and avoid surgery.  Regardless, the feedback from this post will be a very useful reference.

Also, thanks Madison for the kind words about my daughter.  She's an endless source of joy.

[EmilyMK03]

Even before reading any of the other responses, the first thing that I noticed was your facial hair.  Even though it's not a close-up photo, the facial hair was really obvious to me.  Other than that, I think you have a good starting point.

[Rhonda Lynn]

You asked what you needed to pass, not to look perfect.

HRT and electrolysis will make a big difference. Plus hair and make-up, of course.

If you don't want or can't afford full FFS, you could consider rhinoplasty only. I think that this would help a lot.

I can't see your profile so it's hard for me to judge your brow and chin so much. However, from the front they don't look beyond passable to me. Not if your eyebrows were well shaped.

Hugs,
Rhonda