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Are trans and cis vaginas similar or different?

Started by transnztal, September 08, 2016, 01:35:00 PM

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transnztal

I'm getting SRS in less than two months I'm so freakin excited words can't describe! But I was wondering will it be similar enough to cis vaginas? I have obviously done plenty of research at this point and know they are very similar and may have a few differences but I want to know from the real source! Ladies who are post op can your sexual partners tell the difference? I want to know what people thought after having sex with a post op if you can tell the difference or not?
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Jenna Marie

I'm sure it depends on a lot of factors, so personal anecdotes are probably the best data out there on this issue. :)

I've only ever had one sexual partner, so that's not going to help, but I did a) find several photos on the "wall of vaginas" that look like mine and b) have a gynecologist think I was cis. Good enough for me, at any rate.
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KrisAvery1969

No partners for me at almost 8 weeks.

But..wow..

Short of where it's healing still and a few red suture scars...

it ALREADY looks cis from the point of view of my gynecologist who is also a 25 year surgeon (not the one who preformed the surgery but rather the one that took over my wound care weekly beginning on the day 20 post op.

We have taken pictures and I am considering making them into a video.

P.S. A thread about my experiences on 7/21/16 is in this area of Susan's.
I'm also older - 47 and I can't speak more passionately about having good follow-up care with an experienced gynecologist.  Don't go cheap on quality healthcare during your recovery.
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warlockmaker

Men cannot tell the difference and cis females dont examine their vaginas as closely as we post ops. ..we are tighter than a cis female and especially those that have given birth.

A good surgeon aesthetics makes a huge difference. Mine looks 100pct like the real thing, I used mirrors to check it out lol.

I actually made sure my partner knew, didnt want to take a risk of him getting agressive if he found out. He didn't care and did say it was tight and felt fantastic and he could not tell the difference even with oral.
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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transnztal

Did/do you ladies have noticable scars? If you had noticable scars after how long did it take for them to not seem so obvious? They say you can have intercourse after 3 months but are the scars noticable?
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Jenna Marie

I had a scar on each of the outer labia that was about 2" long  by 0.5" wide, and that was it (no, I don't know how the surgeon did it either). I also had one raw patch on the fourchette that looked pink and irritated for weeks, but it wasn't a scar per se (a single stitch popped early and then the area got chafed), and it looked a lot like a raw/chafed spot does on a cis woman. Anyway, the only scars I could see faded to pink by about month three and to a very discreet white by six months; I'm now several years post-op and even I can't find them anymore. The labia have developed the expected folds and little wrinkles, and I assume the scars have vanished into those, if they're even still visible.

How much scarring there will be and for how long partly depends on your body, though. I knew from other minor surgeries that areas of my skin that are not sun-exposed tend to scar light pink and then fade; my wife, who is a lot more olive-skinned, develops dark reddish-brown scars that stand out a lot more and take years to fade to white.
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anjaq

I had the displeasure of being asked by a man in the middle of being with him in the bedroom if I "has surgery down there as well" (he previously found my breast implant scars and a scar from a broken leg). He specifically said that my clitoris looked different from those of the other women he was in bed with. I was scared and basically asked him why he thinks so and he apologized, interpreting my reaction as being offended by such a question. But this was basically when I told myself it will not continue with that guy and it is at the center of me now considering talking about my genital defect before things get intimate next time.

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Miss Lux

Cis women's vagina varies in shape size smell etc from one another just like some men's penis are bending to one side some veiny , some fair, some dark, some huge, some long etc.... So it's really hard to tell just by looking....my two cis girl sisters went with me to Thailand for my srs... My older sister was crazy enough to compare our vaginas side by side cheek to cheek and they look totally d same.... I 've dated several medical doctors and I din't hear any complaint.... I think what's different is the  natural lubrication and getting wet when aroused but that is easy to fake not that I am encouraging it....so personally it was never a problem for me.... But the width of the penis I can accomodate is limited to below average to average... I am a petie Asian girl :) ... But I think getting clocked is the combination of clues that add up together and not the vagina itself in my personal opinion.... D only noticable scar that I have is at my bikini line where d skin graft was taken its like a tummy tuck or ceasarian scar- it kinda fortifies my femininity more than increase doubts lol the question I've gotten is have u ever been pregnant/ given birth before referring to my bikini line scar.....
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anjaq

I have some scars, but they can be hidden in the pubic hair - which however means I cannot shave all of it, so I just shorten it and shape it. Lubrication is an issue - I tried faking it, but its not really working - basically it means going to the bathroom and apply lube inside somehow and that is a break that is odd. So I guess one has to admit that one has an issue with dryness of the vagina and openly use lube.
One thing that I notice as a big difference between natrual and reconstructed vulva is the clitoris area and no surgeon can really get this 100% right, although the best ones can get a good approximation of it. The differenc eis only noticeable if you know what to look for and that is the inner labia which are connected to the clitoris from the bottom, so the Whole thing looks like an upsidedown V with the clitoris being the tip of the V. In reconstructed vulvae, the clitoris often is more like a dot sitting not right at the Tip of that V but a bit above or below and not directly connected to the V as it is "normal". Its a slight difference but I saw this in most cases or reconstructions so far. I think Suporn and some other high class surgeons can approximate this better than others.
Most men will not know this and even doctors will probably not really know this, but I think some do at least sense that something undefineable is different. Another biggie is, if a GRS surgeon cannot do a proper clitoral hood. Its something that all vulvae have, at least in a rudimentary state, unless they are circumcised. Older GRS techniques did not have inner labia or a clitoral hood at all and this looks "odd" to some men, as I described in my experience above.

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transnztal

Quote from: anjaq on September 12, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
I had the displeasure of being asked by a man in the middle of being with him in the bedroom if I "has surgery down there as well"

I would have been terrified
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anjaq

I was.

He interpreted it as shame though, which is not untrue, and backed up right away. I am not sure if he still had the thought in his mind, or if he had "clocked" me at that moment but did not want to make a big deal out of it... But I felt uncomforable and could certainly not enjoy this evening much

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R R H

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Quote from: warlockmaker on September 12, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
Men cannot tell the difference and cis females dont examine their vaginas as closely as we post ops. ..w


Absolutely right. I'm sure I'm not alone on here in having seen countless varieties of cis vagina ( ::)) I think that sounds like really bad luck Anjaq and must have been pretty awful for you :(

This vagina wall, made from cis vaginas, gives a pretty good illustration of the varieties:


There really are massive variations in cis vaginas. As Warlockmaker says, we examine (obsess!) about the aesthetic authenticity far more than a cis female would.


Mod Edit- No nudity please. TOS 4
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transnztal

Quote from: anjaq on September 13, 2016, 11:22:04 AM
I was.

He interpreted it as shame though, which is not untrue, and backed up right away. I am not sure if he still had the thought in his mind, or if he had "clocked" me at that moment but did not want to make a big deal out of it... But I felt uncomforable and could certainly not enjoy this evening much

You continued after he said that? I would have been uncomfortable as well
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transnztal

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Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 15, 2016, 01:20:43 AM
Absolutely right. I'm sure I'm not alone on here in having seen countless varieties of cis vagina ( ::)) I think that sounds like really bad luck Anjaq and must have been pretty awful for you :(

This vagina wall, made from cis vaginas, gives a pretty good illustration of the varieties:


There really are massive variations in cis vaginas. As Warlockmaker says, we examine (obsess!) about the aesthetic authenticity far more than a cis female would.

"The Great Wall of Vagina" lol love it. This shows how there are so many different looking vaginas you can't really say whether it looks like a trans or cis vagina it just depends on the individual.
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R R H

I can't post the pictures of the 'Great Wall of Vagina' as vagina sculptors are nudity (apologies for that mods) but here instead is a link to the story with no 'nudity' contained:

http://www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/about

What this demonstrates is the incredible variety out there in cis vaginas.
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Sandy

I've been post-op for over seven years, and I couldn't be happier.

As you've seen from the "Great Wall" and perhaps other sources, you'll see that we are all different, but all the same.  My partners that I've been with have all been satisfied with what they saw and what they did.  *blush*

Don't worry about it, you'll have a vagina that you'll be happy with and so will your partners.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Devlyn

Quote from: Rachel Richenda on September 17, 2016, 02:25:35 AM
I can't post the pictures of the 'Great Wall of Vagina' as vagina sculptors are nudity (apologies for that mods) but here instead is a link to the story with no 'nudity' contained:

http://www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/about

What this demonstrates is the incredible variety out there in cis vaginas.

Children come here, that's why you shouldn't be posting vagina pics. It's clearly stated in the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site.

https://www.susans.org/2016/08/18/transgender-child-win-civil-rights-case-colorado/

https://www.susans.org/2015/02/03/living-a-transgender-childhood/

https://www.susans.org/2016/04/05/transgender-girl-kickstarts-blue-pink-white-house-next-westboro-baptist-church/

https://www.susans.org/2016/02/29/transgender-kids-allowed-to-live-openly-have-good-mental-health/

I hope this helps you understand why the "nudity" was removed.

Hugs, Devlyn
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R R H

Yes I didn't realise the link to fairly small sculptors would still count but fair enough and that's why I said sorry ;)
(As an aside, 'art' often causes these problems doesn't it? Michelangelo's David?!)

Hugs back :)

x
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anjaq

Quote from: transnztal on September 16, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
You continued after he said that? I would have been uncomfortable as well

Well breaking it off completely would sort of have been addmitance... I did not want to do that either, but on that day I basically stalled him and went home early. He apologized for such a rude comment the next day over dinner, but still, that feeling persists now and I considered getting revision surgery or having to switch to coming out to anyone dating me, which is something I hate to do because then I am endangering myself , starting to get experiences of being dropped and hated for being trans and also the story about this would probably go in circles the more people know the less likely it is that it will remain a private matter for long.

The great wall of vaginas is interesting. I also have a book called Femalia with photos and there are other photo projects as well. But often they basically show vulvae (not vaginas) in their natural state - basically as if one was standing naked. This is not happening when getting into sexual contact. When that happens, the labia are spread and the clitoris exposed, especially with oral sex and then things look different from most of these sculptures or pictures. No one would see anything odd about my genitals when I was just standing naked - as long as I do not shave completely to expose the scars - the differences are only visible when spreading it out

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R R H

That's interesting Anja. I think you have a point there. The Great Wall of Vagina project took casts from real vaginas, spread apart. There's a link which I can't put which shows Jamie McCartney's methodology. Somewhere it says he took 8 years to sculptor from the 400 women, which included MtF's post surgery. x
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