men's size 4 dress shoes, where can I find them?

[utouto]

I'm a music major and have no shoes formal enough to perform in. I can't do children's shoes as it's obvious that they are of lower quality (look at the seams, soles) and are always in patterns that are too casual.
I'm very particular about how I look when I dress for formal events so I'm willing to spend some money on a pair, but I am a student so I can't go overboard.

Can anyone help me out? I've been looking for months with no luck. The smallest I can usually find is a 5.

[haeden]

Best bet is amazon. A size 4 is pretty hard to come by tho. I have a hard enough time trying to find a 6 or a 6.5

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[arice]

You might have to get a pair of custom fit shoes. Or look to high end boys shoes (the kind geared to wedding parties or performance wear).
I'm sorry I don't have better advice. I don't dress formally or wear that size.

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[TransAm]

http://www.shoebuy.com/original-swat-clarino/584563/1208780

If those don't work, try the main site.

http://www.shoebuy.com/size-4-mens-dress.htm

They all go as low as a size four.

[utouto]

http://www.shoebuy.com/original-swat-clarino/584563/1208780

If those don't work, try the main site.

http://www.shoebuy.com/size-4-mens-dress.htm

They all go as low as a size four.

Have you seen the selection? It's awful.

[utouto]

You might have to get a pair of custom fit shoes. Or look to high end boys shoes (the kind geared to wedding parties or performance wear).
I'm sorry I don't have better advice. I don't dress formally or wear that size.

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Even looking at high end boys shoes, there's a noticeable difference in quality. I haven't been able to find any that I consider suitable for any sort of solo or small group (trio, quartet) performances.
Custom fit might be a necessity at this point. :/

[TransAm]

Have you seen the selection? It's awful.

Eh, most dress shoes tend to look the same to me unless you start getting into the really expensive stuff.
But yeah, if you're not just looking for a general humdrum style, I'd say you'll have to go custom.

http://www.itailorshoes.com/?gclid=CNS22-yEic8CFYGHaQodjwMDOQ

It looks like that site offers a relatively decent range of customizable style/color options and it allows you to enter the exact length and width of your feet for the most accurate sizing.

[xchrisx]

I've seen US size 4 in Doc Martens.

The boys' section can be hit or miss, I agree.

[Hughie]

Did you check out Zappos? They have some nicer stuff in a range of sizes (especially the Florsheims):

http://www.zappos.com/boys-oxfords/CK_XARC31wHAAQTiAgMYAQI.zso?s=goliveRecentSalesStyle/desc/&pf_rd_r=1QJYDFT9DNPNS11ZVESW&pf_rd_p=af31492a-1e52-48c9-b422-89bc3aefd320#!/boys-oxfords/CK_XARC31wF6Ao4FggEDouwEwAEE4gIEGAECDw.zso?s=goliveRecentSalesStyle/desc/

Also, maybe try checking out European shops online / shoe brands. They tend to have more selection of formal shoes for kids. One brand to look for is Step2wo, also carried by Selfridges:

http://www.selfridges.com/CA/en/cat/kids/shoes/boys/step2wo/size-eur2d342d2d2d22duk2dadult/?llc=sn

[objectionyourhonour]

There are some good mail-order companies based in Asia that do small men's shoes in a whole load of styles. Also some shops that rent boys' formalwear have pretty good shoe ranges. I'm a size 4 1/2 (usually wear a 4 or 5) and have got good formal shoes from both of these.