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Can i speak in a male voice after vfs?

Started by bridget, October 16, 2016, 01:34:01 PM

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bridget

October 16, 2016, 01:34:01 PM
My voice is unpassable and even if i get it right, i cant stand the thought of having to think about speaking in a female voice every time i speak. So, after voice surgery (Yesson in korea), will i still be a ABLE to speak in male voice after if i tried? I hope not. I'm hoping that it is a permanent, female voice and i can just speak without paying attention and NOT have a passable male voice even if i wanted too. Yes? No?
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Dena

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October 16, 2016, 02:45:49 PM
Voice surgery depends 50% on surgery and 50% on therapy. It should only be considered if it's difficult for you to produce a feminine voice as the surgery can fail and leave you worst off than before. In my case, my male voice was around 100 HZ which is a lower male voice. Trained my voice move up to 130-140 HZ which is still the upper male range.  The feminine range would be best around 190-220 HZ. In my case, my untrained voice moved up to about 140 HZ but my trained voice moved to around 220 HZ,.  After surgery you still need to use resonance training as well as feminine speech patterns  which you learn in speech therapy. Without training, your voice could still be gendered masculine even with the higher pitch. For comparison, consider children pre puberty. Both genders may still speak in the feminine range but often it's possible to gender them from differences in their speech pattern.
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Denjin

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October 17, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
Dena is spot on. :)

Basically, you should internalise some of the changes to resonance after a long enough period of time and VFS will sort out the pitch.  So, between the two it should be unconscious... I have to speak in a very bizarre fashion to sound male.
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anjaq

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October 17, 2016, 03:04:38 PM
I am not sure how it sounds when I try to speak male. I bet it is possible, as it is for a trans man before T to sound masculine

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GeekGirl

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October 18, 2016, 07:14:59 AM
If you mean can you lower your post-VFS pitch to pre-surgery pitch, the answer for me and I'm guessing for many others is no. However, as many others have said, pitch is only one part of the picture. You will still have all the nuances/inflections/gestures/prosody of your pre-surgery voice, just in higher pitch form. If you're not willing to learn, or relearn, how to speak in a female way, then you will still be gendered male.
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anjaq

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October 18, 2016, 02:11:52 PM
Ok this was very odd to do, I tried my best to do a "male voice" here, starting after a few sentences: http://vocaroo.com/i/s08CGYcmKjGD
I could not use this at any higher volume and it was breaking apart even as I recorded this. I am not sure how you would gender it - maybe I could try to use it on the phone and get gendered male, but seriously, it takes for me a lot of effort to go there from my normal voice at the gebinning and end of the recording and I had to laugh a few times trying so hard to stay in that. Its comforting to know that this is now something I need to concentrate on to get there

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DawnOday

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October 18, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
Practice makes perfect. I've been working on it for a couple months but no matter how hard  I want to sound right ,I realize it is not something that is going to happen over night.  In fact I've done several sets of phrases per session for about an hour and a half a day. I am starting to find the pitch. F3 at about 187 hts. but the resonance and the ability to speak out of my head rather than my chest is a new concept  and difficult to master. Anything over 190 hz and my vice begins to crack. but I expect over time this will improve. After I master the pitch the speed and the gestures will come.  I've read some say vfs is  hit or miss proposition.
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GeekGirl

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October 19, 2016, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: anjaq on October 18, 2016, 02:11:52 PM
Ok this was very odd to do, I tried my best to do a "male voice" here, starting after a few sentences: http://vocaroo.com/i/s08CGYcmKjGD
I could not use this at any higher volume and it was breaking apart even as I recorded this. I am not sure how you would gender it - maybe I could try to use it on the phone and get gendered male, but seriously, it takes for me a lot of effort to go there from my normal voice at the gebinning and end of the recording and I had to laugh a few times trying so hard to stay in that. Its comforting to know that this is now something I need to concentrate on to get there

I think we can tell you had fun with this :) You sound like a woman trying to sound like a man in this example, which is the ultimately desired result.
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