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Started by Jessika, December 09, 2016, 08:31:00 AM

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Jessika

Hi all,

I am confused.

Since July I had my E Dosage increased and my Spiro is the same. Let me list the results before I go on:

25 July 2016:  Estradiol- 89 pg/mL

Dosage was increased......

02 Dec 2016: Estradiol- 88 pc/mL

Why did it drop after 3 months on increased dosage??

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25 July 2016: Testosterone, ToT- 112 ng/dL
02 Dec 2016: Testosterone- 68.92 ng/dL


So, the Testosterone keeps dropping on the SAME dosage which is great, but my E DROPPED after I got a HIGHER dosage...WTH??

The morning of my latest bloodwork I also didn't take my pills. I wanted a "fasting" reading. Did that play a role?

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Dena

Estradiol can leave your system pretty fast and a test a few hours latter than the previous one can be a good deal different. In pill form, estradiol has a half life of something like 13-17 hours so if you went 24 hours from your last dosage, you levels could be in the 400+ range at peak. Assuming your are on pills and it was at lest 24 hours from your last dosage, 89 pg/ml isn't a bad test number. The chart may help you see where you sit.


ESTRADIOL LEVELS
SEX                     pg/ml
Women (> 18 years old)   
      Follicular Phase  30-120
      Ovulatory Peak   130-370
      Luteal Phase      70-250
      Post-Menopausal   15-60
Male                    15-60

TOTAL TESTOSTERONE LEVELS
SEX      ng/dl        ng/ml
Females  6 - 86     0.1 - 1.2
Males  270 - 1100   2.4 - 12
Conversion factor: 1 ng/ml = 3.47 nmol/l

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JessicaSondelli

Hi Jessika,

I like your name ;-)

What Dena said makes perfect sense. If you took your pills in the morning before you did the July blood work but skipped it in December, the levels are supposed to be much lower. Whenever I do my blood work, I time them right in between my 2 daily dosages. I had similar levels like you in October and after my endo increased the dosage by 33% (I'm sure this tells you exactly what my dosage is), my E levels went up within one month from 91 pg/mL to 172 pg/mL while T dropped from 97 ng/dL to 61 ng/dL on the same Spiro dosage. I did my blood work about 6 hours after my morning pills.

Greetings from Jessica in Florida to Jessika in Florida ;-)
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-Jessica




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Jessika

Quote from: Dena on December 09, 2016, 09:22:24 AM
Estradiol can leave your system pretty fast and a test a few hours latter than the previous one can be a good deal different. In pill form, estradiol has a half life of something like 13-17 hours so if you went 24 hours from your last dosage, you levels could be in the 400+ range at peak. Assuming your are on pills and it was at lest 24 hours from your last dosage, 89 pg/ml isn't a bad test number. The chart may help you see where you sit.


ESTRADIOL LEVELS
SEX                     pg/ml
Women (> 18 years old)   
      Follicular Phase  30-120
      Ovulatory Peak   130-370
      Luteal Phase      70-250
      Post-Menopausal   15-60
Male                    15-60

TOTAL TESTOSTERONE LEVELS
SEX      ng/dl        ng/ml
Females  6 - 86     0.1 - 1.2
Males  270 - 1100   2.4 - 12
Conversion factor: 1 ng/ml = 3.47 nmol/l

Makes sense I guess. At least my T is in the Normal Female Range...yay.
The morning of my Bloodwork (8:45AM) I did not take my E or Anti-T since 6PM the night before. hat may have played a role. I'll talk to my Endo about it. Thank you Dena. :)

Quote from: JessicaSondelli on December 09, 2016, 11:18:07 AM
Hi Jessika,

I like your name ;-)

What Dena said makes perfect sense. If you took your pills in the morning before you did the July blood work but skipped it in December, the levels are supposed to be much lower. Whenever I do my blood work, I time them right in between my 2 daily dosages. I had similar levels like you in October and after my endo increased the dosage by 33% (I'm sure this tells you exactly what my dosage is), my E levels went up within one month from 91 pg/mL to 172 pg/mL while T dropped from 97 ng/dL to 61 ng/dL on the same Spiro dosage. I did my blood work about 6 hours after my morning pills.

Greetings from Jessica in Florida to Jessika in Florida ;-)
Hugs
-Jessica
Hi Jess ;D

Thanks! I like your name also. Woot!
I'll spell your name wrong since mine is an actual K so I'll use "Jess".

I sure wish my E were as high as yours. Our dosages may be different too.

Where in FL are you? (Can PM me with answer for privacy)

Thank you all for the helpful replies. :)

Also..I got my Endo Physicians Letter in the mail today and had my Name Change Court hearing yesterday. Magistrate made me fill out an Envelope and put my address on it. Told me I can't change my name anywhere until I get it in the mail. She never said if I was approved or not. I went there thinking it would be done on the spot. Guess not hehe.
So now I wait another 2-4 weeks. In due time. :)

Jess
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KayXo

E levels fluctuate and aren't exactly accurate. One way to more accurately gauge effectiveness is see how you feel and actual physical results like breast growth, skin softening, body fat redistribution, facial changes, etc.

Maturitas, 12 (1990) 171-197

"When the serum concentrations of natural or synthetic sex steroids are measured
at short time-intervals after administration and repeatedly during long-term
treatment, it becomes obvious that there are large intra-individual and interindividual
variations. This holds true for both the contraceptive steroids and the natural
oestrogens and does not apply solely to the oral route. Long-term studies
indicate that an important influence is exerted by predisposing factors, particularly
the metabolic capacity of the liver, on the pharmacokinetics of sex steroids.
Large variations in oestradiol and oestrone levels can be observed in an individual
woman from day to day or from hour to hour
, even during transdermal therapy
with oestradiol"

Estradiol levels also fluctuate a lot in ciswomen, during a menstrual cycle, from as low as 20 pg/ml to up to 650 pg/ml (depending on the woman and the lab's values). In pregnancy, they continue rising, to up to 75,000. Every person will respond differently and some need less, some need more.

Aust NZ J ObTtet Gvnaecol 1998. 38: 3: 45

"it is difficult to define a therapeutic drug concentration (...) because patients may vary in their oestradiol requirements, (...). In addition, serum oestradiol levels may not necessarily reflect tissue oestradiol levels."

CLIMACTERIC 2005;8(Suppl 1):3–63

"Even though there is a significant correlation between
the serum concentrations of estradiol and their
clinical effects, e.g. on hot flushes or bone mass,
the serum level of an individual woman does not
predict the therapeutic effect.
As shown in Figure 1,
the number of hot flushes differs largely in
patients who showed identical estradiol levels
during transdermal hormone therapy1. This casts
considerable doubts on the usefulness of regular
measurements of hormone levels for the prediction
or control of a therapeutic success.
"

You can share this concern with your doctor and see what they say.

By the way, you should know two things also. Spironolactone also BLOCKS testosterone so that even if your levels are 69 ng/dl, some of that is also blocked by Spiro and a blood test can't tell you how much. Secondly, Total testosterone includes testosterone that is bound to SHBG and is inactive, does not bind to receptors such that a more accurate mesure would be bioavailable T or free T as this fraction of T more readily binds to receptors, IF not blocked by Spiro.


I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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