Androgyne Traits

[Pica Pica]

What little quirks do you think we have in common?

A tendency to realte obliquely to subjects and veer off is one it seems, any others?

[NickSister]

Devilishly handsome and beautiful at the same time 
"I'm not much of a man by the light of day, but by night I'm one hell of a lover..."

We have the ability to make people say "what the...." just by walking by.

Perhaps we all find dress code annoying. I certainly do.

[Shana A]

Perhaps we all find dress code annoying. I certainly do.

I despise dress codes... gendered pronouns... gender stereotypes and assumptions about people based on them...

zythyra

[Seshatneferw]

How about some sort of inability to take things completely seriously? Or perhaps an unwillingness to grow up?

  Nfr

[Pica Pica]

How about some sort of inability to take things completely seriously? Or perhaps an unwillingness to grow up

Think they're separate or related?

[Seshatneferw]

Still trying to make up my mind on this. At the moment I'm vaguely leaning on the 'related' side.

  Nfr

[Laurry]

Running through the list...

- Staying on topic?  What is that?
- Hate Dress Codes (real or imagined)
- Gendered Pronouns - They suck, but there are bigger problems in the world  (Where is my nail file?)
- Gender Stereotypes - Can't remember, but I think mine is a Pioneer...could be Sony
- Assumptions about people based on their perceived gender - Really wee-wee's me off
- Not taking things seriously/not growing up - Guilty.  I also tend to lean toward them being related, but I can see where a very strong case could be built for them being separate.  There are so many things "not right" in the life of an androgyne that taking them all seriously would greatly shorten our life expectancy.  I think we HAVE to laugh (at ourselves and our situations)...it is a survival skill.  Then again, I'm not a doctor, I only play one with my girlfriend.

Other traits
- Most of us seem to see more than one side of an issue, and often find ourselves in a peace-keeper role.
- All of us are lost as far as a path to follow or a transition goal...we don't know what we want to be when we grow up
- People sometimes look at us funny  (OK, I stole the "What the..." comment from Hir Holiness Sister Nick)

Questions
- How many consider themselves to be highly Intuitive?  I think it may be part of the seeing things from more than one viewpoint, but it could just be me
- Procrastination...big problem for you, or just my cross to bear (when I finally get to it)?

More later...maybe

....Laurry

[Pica Pica]

I would consider intuition to be my primary tactic in navigating life. Whether or not those intuitions are correct I rate them extremely highly in my decision making process. I go with that instinct and then retroactively apply logic to those decisions.

And I've been procrastinating all day...(and all life).

[Bobbie]

I've tried procrastinating, but I keep ending up back where I started.

[NickSister]

- People sometimes look at us funny  (OK, I stole the "What the..." comment from Hir Holiness Sister Nick)

I'm definitely some kind of hole, at least some of the time...

I'm a procrastinator too, but then I think almost everyone procrastinates to some extent.

I'm not sure if I consider myself highly intuitive. I think perceptive is a better word. I seem to see things others miss, particularly with seeing how people feel or working out what they are thinking from their tells (or just through knowing someone and picking up on their behaviour). Perhaps being outside of the gender interplay gives us some 'professional distance' allowing us to observe with a clear view. But I can be stunningly blind at the same time too.

When I create solutions to problems it seems like intuition on the outside, but on the inside it is just perception and logic. I can leap to the conclusion without bothering to work things out, the unconscious mind works a lot of magic - perhaps trusting that unconscious calculation is intuition?

I never wanted to grow up either, because growing up meant becomming a man....

How many are good with animals?

[Laurry]

I never wanted to grow up either, because growing up meant becoming a man....

Ain't that the truth...Amen!!

[Seshatneferw]

Intuitive? Check.
Procrastinating? Check.

Hate dress codes? Well, mostly. I've come to the conclusion that that's really because the dress code imposes a gender on me: I'll have to dress explicitly male ('cause people would likely throw me out if I tried the LBD approach -- and besides, that wouldn't feel any more right anyway). Making fun of the dress code (such as going for a 1920's variant, or overdoing it just a bit) helps some.

Gender stereotypes? Pioneer? Sony? Get real. My cell phone has an MP3 player in it.

Being lost wrt transition? Check -- or at least, tried to grow up but gave up.

  Nfr

[Pica Pica]

okay with animals, very good with children....Though my dog adores me.


At the end of this, I want a stereotypical androgyne, like a stereotypical boy or girl.

[Shana A]

procrastinator?? Hmmmm, let me think about this for a while, and get back to you sometime in the next year or two... 

stereotypes? I have some Denon components, and also an ipod  Still have a working turntable too 

I don't know if intuition is an androgyne trait, however I am very intuitive.

Z

[ImKim]

Traits?

Well i do believe a common trait is openmindness, how can we not be?
We're a minority in society, ofcourse some androgyne could be all "We're the only right kind of people" , but i do believe we react more relaxed about some situations, forexample if a partner told, he/she/ liked to wear the clothes of the opposite sex,  we could just say "let's switch" The problem isn't bigger than that, maybe this is also a part of what was mentioned earlier, about not taking things too seriously.

[Jaimey]

I wonder if the 'not wanting to grow up/perceptiveness (is that even a word?)/good with children and animals' type things come from being androgyne or if it is an emotional and psychological reaction to the pressures that society places on us.  To me, all of those things are very child like in nature.  Children have a sixth sense about people and I have always wondered if my perceptiveness about others stems from that.

I've been wondering this for quite some time.  I wonder if we don't mature the way other people do because as children we are trying so hard to meet expectations that certain parts of our minds and certain emotions don't have a chance to grow.  I've been trying to figure myself out for a while now and the only thing I know for sure about myself is that I basically shut down emotionally as a child and ignored my own feelings to become whatever it was that my family and society wanted me to become.  Any thoughts?

[Pica Pica]

there are certainly an affinity to child like tendencies that crop up when androgynes talk about themselves.

[Seshatneferw]

I wonder if the 'not wanting to grow up/perceptiveness (is that even a word?)/good with children and animals' type things come from being androgyne or if it is an emotional and psychological reaction to the pressures that society places on us.  To me, all of those things are very child like in nature.

That's a good question. I, too, am starting to think there's a connection between this sort of not  growing up (although I vehemently refuse to call it 'lack of maturity') and being androgyne. Just what that connection is is a different matter.

I've been trying to figure myself out for a while now and the only thing I know for sure about myself is that I basically shut down emotionally as a child and ignored my own feelings to become whatever it was that my family and society wanted me to become.  Any thoughts?

It wasn't that bad for me, although bad enough that it's still difficult to talk about feelings, even with myself. Still, this sort of thing seems pretty common among all TG variants, not just androgynes.

My current hypothesis (and it's really current, partly prompted by your ideas) is that both the not-growing-up-all-the-way kind of childishness and some degree of GID are necessary for me to be androgyne. That is, if I were comfortable with having a male body I'd be a man who has certain anti-serious personality traits, much like my father; on the other hand, if I had grown up enough to have a more 'adult' sense of the society and my role in it I'd likely be a post-op woman by now.

  Nfr

[RebeccaFog]

How about some sort of inability to take things completely seriously? Or perhaps an unwillingness to grow up?

  Nfr

yes.

Posted on: November 08, 2007, 12:51:52 PM

Questions
- How many consider themselves to be highly Intuitive?  I think it may be part of the seeing things from more than one viewpoint, but it could just be me
- Procrastination...big problem for you, or just my cross to bear (when I finally get to it)?

More later...maybe

....Laurry

I Agree with the entire list, but these have been on my mind.  Empathy too.  Or am I the only empathic one here, you uncaring lot 
(notice that I had to address you all as a 'lot'.  Is there even a word for multiple people like us?)

Posted on: November 08, 2007, 12:58:30 PM

I would consider intuition to be my primary tactic in navigating life. Whether or not those intuitions are correct I rate them extremely highly in my decision making process. I go with that instinct and then retroactively apply logic to those decisions.

And I've been procrastinating all day...(and all life).

I've been procrastinating all your life too.

Posted on: November 08, 2007, 01:03:12 PM

I've been wondering this for quite some time.  I wonder if we don't mature the way other people do because as children we are trying so hard to meet expectations that certain parts of our minds and certain emotions don't have a chance to grow.  I've been trying to figure myself out for a while now and the only thing I know for sure about myself is that I basically shut down emotionally as a child and ignored my own feelings to become whatever it was that my family and society wanted me to become.  Any thoughts?

I shut down my emotions as an adult.  I sometimes identify with other peoples' feelings to the point where I really feel their pain and joy.  I understand that now and I have learned that sometimes it is a good thing to protect myself by keeping that ability dampened at times.  I learned this week that sometimes I have to remove myself from somebody's presence if I begin to feel overwhelmed.  Other peoples' anger or frustrations can be like a poison to me.

  Oh, look at me.  I'm so sensitive.   

   As a child, I was consistently overwhelmed by my feelings over other peoples' moods.

   Oh, look at me now.  I'm Deanna Troi.   
 
 

[Laurry]

I Agree with the entire list, but these have been on my mind.  Empathy too.  Or am I the only empathic one here, you uncaring lot 
(notice that I had to address you all as a 'lot'.  Is there even a word for multiple people like us

Word for multiple people like us?  Folk?  Youse-people?  Dingbats?  mul-peeps?  (MULtiple-PEople...OK, before you throw things, just think of all the B-movies you watched as a child...Yes, it is The Attack of the Mul-Peeps...LOL)

...Oh crap...I just added fuel to the "inability to take things completely seriously" fire, didn't I?

As far as empathy goes...sometimes too much and I have to keep a wall up to prevent being overwhelmed at times.  Then again, there are times I could not be less caring (like when the idiots in California come on the television and explain that this is the 42nd time they have had to rebuild their house because of the mudslides...sheesh, move already).

And no, I do not go to Pet Fairs or Humane Society outings as I cannot adopt them all and it causes waay too much pain to see the critters there like that.  Maybe part of me wonders if we may one day be put in cages because no one wants us either...oh crap, now I'm gonna cry...I tell you, those dogs (especially) break my heart.

...Laurry