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My husband came out as transgender now what?

Started by home4u, December 21, 2016, 01:45:55 PM

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SadieBlake

ok I have time for some more complete thoughts.

First, people change and grow and very few people like change. I don't intend to minimize your difficulties but on the other hand these are first world problems.

Second, I would suggest you not escalate by preparing for the worst right off. The math of separation is the same now as later.

Third, you said at the start you fear she's gay and then in a later post that she'd been bisexual when younger. That just says to me she's open enough to explore and probably when younger was confused about things she's come to understand since (yes, I'm using female pronouns, your husband identifies as female so that seems appropriate).

Like many who've responded, I'm 60 and as it happened just yesterday I got my surgery date. Unlike your husband I knew I was trans 20 years ago -- still pretty late in life but I've had and taken my time to deal with it.

My partner knew from the start of our relationship that I'm trans and she wasn't a fan of HRT or surgical transition and for partly that and for personal reasons I decided not to pursue that 15 years ago. Since then we've lived as girls socially together, I present as male to most of the world and our sexuality has been OK in that she has liked that I've been male-equipped.

But by a couple of years back I was back to severely depressed and ultimately I've decided as you've gathered I needed to transition starting with estrogen HRT which was really an experiment to see if I was happier. I've known I'm a feminine thinker for all that time and there was no question I'm happier without testosterone. There is no going back, quite literally i'd rather die.

Our sexuality has been OK, it took a while for my post-estrogen libido to stabilize. I could probably continue to function as sexually male for ever but clearly it's a path that would just dead-end in another few years and for a host of other reasons this is the best timing for me. I don't regret having waited but I don't want to wait longer either.

To answer some of your questions

Late-onset transexual women are more often lesbian identified after they transition. Attraction does not usually change.

I suggest you read anything by Julia Serano. She's very much a trans activist and so there are some leanings in her writing that may not appeal to you however she speaks to a lot of fundamental truths about what it is like to be transgender.

Transition doesn't have to spell the end of sex. I'm at fully feminine hormone levels and can still engage in relatively hetero style sex and I do it mostly to make my partner happy. I'm also becoming more comfortable in a more feminine sexuality and she is becoming accepting with exposure. Remember, the feminine side if me has always been who she cared for as a person.

I'd also like to add that because your husband has just had a lot of feelings that have been building for a lot of years come together, she's probably going to be a bit obsessive about her path. You might be able to help her see that and to be more grounded.

The age she transitions at or whether she can ever be objectively pretty isn't the point. Not so long ago surgeons would only do SRS for 'pretty' patients. It shouldn't be a beauty contest. Our society loves to say real beauty is within but sometimes has trouble acting on that.

For me the choice was spiraling depression or transition. What I've learned is I needed to be a healthy person first and then I was able to figure out that I also need to be a healthy female. Best wishes to you both.
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aaajjj55

I put my wife in a similar situation to that which your husband put you and wanted to share some thoughts with you.  In my case, the confession was to crossdressing rather than wanting to fully transition butmy wife interpreted it as if it was an admission of the latter.  In addition, my transgender feelings go further than just wanting to put on a wig, a dress and a pair of heels so hopefully, I can provide you with some insight.

Let's look at your husband's situation first of all.  He has either kept these feelings from you through the whole of your married life or they have only just surfaced in the past year or two.  Which is it?  My money is on the former which, I think, is where the majority of us sit.  The next question, of course, is why didn't he tell you?  When I came clean to my wife after 20+ years of marriage, the deception caused her far more hurt than the fact that her husband had this 'hobby'.  I have done a lot of soul searching about this and came to the following conclusions about this:

1.  I knew all along that I was deceiving her and knew it was wrong.  However, the feelings I had about wanting to experience the female world were far stronger and could not be ignored.
2.  At the time I met my wife, I felt that what I was doing was a dirty perversion (which, in all honesty, is how it was viewed in the 1980s/90s with the press sensationalising 'sex changes' at any available opportunity) and, therefore, I ran the risk of losing her if I told her at the time.
3.  With the rush of love, my urges went away and I genuinely believed I was 'cured'
4.  I got a real kick out of seeing my wife wearing the dresses, heels & makeup and, as a result felt that this, rather than the need to actually wear the clothes, was at the root of my issues.

Obviously, as the years went by, the marriage became more of a routine, the heels got lower, kids came along and my transgender feelings started to resurface.  I then went into the cycle of buy-wear-purge that plagues closeted transgender individuals.  In addition, I also found that whereas there had been a sexual element to dressing when younger, all I felt now was a feeling of total calm as if this was how I was always meant to be.  My dysphoria comes and goes; sometimes I spend several weeks just dealing with a nagging wish that I had been born female (but with no desire to put things right), other times I get the full blown anxieties and have to fight the desire to transition (which I do fight firstly because this is a condition I wish I didn't suffer from and really want to be 'normal' (whatever that is) for my wife and kids and secondly because I know the feelings will subside again (because they always do).

Turning to you, you now feel cheated, bewildered, worried, angry, confused and all of the other emotions one would expect anyone to feel in this situation and you have every right to feel that way.  It's your marriage as much as your husband's and they must respect that.  Whilst they have every right to have transgender feelings, you have every right to react as you wish including ending the marriage which you alluded to in your initial post.  You clearly can't change how your husband feels but not only should they expect you to see their point of view but they must be able to see yours too.

After I came out to my wife, I was thinking 'it's only crossdressing' but my wife was fearing that it was a precursor to more permanent changes and she did not want to be married to a woman.  The 'lightbulb' moment for me in understanding her point of view was when I asked myself how I would feel if the tables were turned - in other words I was the 'normal' one and she had confessed that she had always wished she was male.  Yes I would have stood by my wife (as she has done with me) but if that then developed into a desire to transition and having to watch the woman I love gradually change through hormones, mastectomy, genital surgery and everything else that that transition entails, I know that I would not have been able to continue in the marriage.  At best we would have become housemates but I think that would be exceptionally painful too.

The important thing for you and your husband now is to talk, talk and then talk some more (possibly by going to therapy together).  You need to understand what is going on in their mind but, equally, they need to understand your point of view - marriage is an equal partnership and even if your husband is dead set on transitioning to female, this must not be done in ignorance of your emotional situation.

I hope this helps,

Amanda
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JoanneB

Quote from: home4u on December 23, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
how did he hide it from me so well for years and years. he was a guy.. a guys guy when i married him. where did that person go....
After an LTR followed by a marriage of 3 years, followed by her discovering my transness, followed by her within a short time seeing other guys, followed by a separation and divorce I can say this pretty much followed my expectation of what would happen if someone "Discovered" my deepest darkest secret.

After a few too many adult beverages a year or so into seriously dating another woman which led to a "My deep dark secret is worse then yours" talk in which she won that one, a year or so later we got engaged, a year or so after that wedding date pressures began to mount, which led to her cutting and running because I wasn't "A real man". I can say this pretty much followed my expectation of what would happen if someone was told of my deepest darkest secret.

You basically get the message early on in life of what the expectations are for a person of your birth gender... As well as the knowledge of what happens to those that do not completely conform to those expectations. Which, in the male kid world, is pretty brutal and cruel. So like most other guys, or even more so, you try your best to out guy the guys the best ways you can. Which often includes being hyper-masculine or an adrenaline junkie.

Quoteim baffled. i feel like he had a stroke And now there is this other person im talking to.
There may also be the "Coming Out Euphoria Factor" as I call it. The Trans-Beast is now being taken on. The BIG Step, the seemingly impossible "How can I do this?" one of telling an SO you are trans is now over with. Now it's the easy stuff, Damn the Torpedoes. Full Speed Ahead! Which is where therapy can be useful if one is not near the "Transition or Die" point. Just tons of baggage from being trans that often messes up ones life and others in it. An experienced Gender Therapist knows what questions to ask and real world situations to role-play / thought experiment with to interject the cold hard realities of life vs the idealized and often fantasized way "Life will Be" once you transition.
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Steph Eigen

Please forgive me for this very long reply.  Your initial posting really struck a chord in me and I felt the need to offer my experience for you to consider.

It is hard to add much additional advice to that already offered.  The posts by Amanda (aaajjj55) and SadieBlake really get to the central issues, IMHO.  You chose well to come here for advice--that is why I chose to add a reply to this thread--the advice I received here has helped me to get through some very difficult times.  I hope my experience will give you some insight into the problems your husband may be facing and how it feels to be him.  It has taken the better part of 6 decades but I am quite sure I am internally largely female psychologically, male physically and nearly 60 years into the struggle between the two.

I joined this site in early August of this year.  As background, I'm 59 years old, married for over 30 years, have 2 grown children and one 2 year old grandson.  I'm an academic physician and  researcher at a very well known major university hospital and university with research collaborators at numerous major universities worldwide.  I not only run a large, very successful research group but also quite visibly head several key clinical programs and am extensively involved in the teaching programs from medical students to post-doctoral fellows.  I have administrative roles in out department, collaborations with industry, and  on and on and on.  You get the picture--I've got a lot of life infrastructure, a lot at risk for disruption or loss.  The curious part of the story is that my wife, whom I love very very much, is a psychotherapist. albeit one that works primarily with children and adolescents.''  Unfortunately, insight she offers to her patients does not extend to her ability to apply those insights to her own life.

From my earliest memories, dating to just short of age 3, I was intensely interested in how things work; later science in general, mathematics, ameteur astronomy and telescope building, things electronic, radio communications adn eventually Ameteur Radio, classical music, art photography and as an adolescent had an obsessional need to learn to draw and paint.  As an observation, you will find a disproportionate representation of the scientific and technical professions represented in the membership of this site. I don't think this is due to an attempt to bury the TG urge in a hypermasculine profession.  In my own case, this was balanced by a sharply contrasting urge toward things aesthetic and artistic.  I never liked team sports. I new I was a bit odd or different.

I am sure there is some more fundamental link.  In any case, I ended up with several careers before this one and as avocational interests did some quite serious photography and developed an unusually intense interest in classical music beginning at about age 9.  By the time I was in elementary school, it became shockingly clear to me that  I tended to easily develop strong friendships with the girls in school, more so that other male peers.  This did not seem a problem and caused no problem but was obviously different that most of the other boys.  Things changed with hormones--I was uncomfortable with puberty and the pressure toward dating.  I understood the girls emotionally and identified with them.  I felt  emotionally similar to them, very different from the guys. I ended up in a private boarding prep school which fortuitously was at all male.  This relieved much of the pressure I felt around puberty allowing me to submerge these perplexing feelings. 

I had discovered I had interests in women's clothing and found fascination with typically female  socialization, dress, grooming, etc.  It was not obsessional, never became a fetish interest, never struck me as "sick" or perverse.  I had not really experimented with crossdressing at this time I never had any sort of gay male urge whatsoever.  I did tend to have certain very well chosen male friends but they were usually somewhat odd or eccentric in their interests, or had specific interest that paralleled mine academically or avocationally such as in radio or photography.  I was never a man's man; not the sort you'd see parodied in the extreme in a date movie, not a "basic bro."  On the other hand, I don't think anyone ever suspected me to be gay or having gay gestures or behaviors or would characterize my behavior as effeminate.

As adulthood marched on, I trained myself to  suppress much of this uncomfortable gender confusion.  I ended up in college with many friends and dating a few women, in each case developing very intense relationships.  One  was with a wonderful woman that I would characterize as a soulmate but the relationship did not work out. It took me decades to figure out why, though.  Both of us had at the time unrecognized gender issues--she, lesbian tendencies; I underlying TG confusion.   I ultimately met my wife in graduate school, we married, had our kids, and life went on in the usual flurry of career, moves, family.  Mostly, I was highly motivated to date and marry for all the right reasons.  I did indeed fall in love with my wife and continue to love her even more intensely today.  In the throws of high testosterone levels in my 20's it was easy to follow this trajectory toward the classical family existence, other gender issues almost  completely suppressed.  Almost.  It was about at this time that the first inkling of serious urge to crossdress began.  I'd obtain single items of clothing, usually undergarments, which would rapidly generate intense guilt and shame for me that I would "purge" them.  This continued for years, only emerging every few years.

It is critical for me to point out that I am not a classically defined crossdresser.  Actually, the clothing means very little to me, per se.  Other member of the forum will need to allow me some license in what I am about to say as it is a gross oversimplifications to be sure, but one that will illustrate my point.  I new I was not a classical crossdresser.  I gained not sexual stimulation from crossdressing, didn't do it as an "artform" or performance (e.g. drag),  didn't want to use it for female hypersexualization.  I simply had an affinity for the idea of expressing internal female identification.  It seemed right to dress as a woman since I knew with increasing certainty, that is what I was internally and psychologically.  When dressing congruently with my internal gender there is no sexual component for me.  I tend to dress like a typical approaching 60 year old perhaps slightly frumpy woman off for the weekend around the house.  I don't look like I'm doing to a formal event, not overly made up, not dressed like I'm trying to look like an oversexed 20 year old.  For me, the goal is calming, relieving my gender dysphoria, soothing the need for internal gender expression.  When the episode is over, typically following a weekend alone,  house to myself for 2-3 days; I would often be hit by a tsunami of gender dysphoria returning to my male presentation.

Once the kids were grown and out of the house, pressures of day to day family life decreased, I found the gender issued roared back with a vengeance.  I could speculate on the mechanisms driving this emergence--clealry numerous including middle aged decline in testosterone concentrations.  Initially, the few items of clothing became a small wardrobe; all hidden away, my wife entirely unaware.  How many major cycles of this acquisition-purging?  Several over the last about 10 years, each with increasing intensity of guilt and internal emotional strife;  each with the soul searching and questioning whether to disclose to my wife.  As others have discussed, this is a veritable hell to live in.  I have never kept anything from my wife but this.  I have never had event the slightest deviation from complete marital fidelity over going on 35 years but this.  I see this as a collision of worlds, ultimate conundrum for me internally.  I have never had the urge to end my own life over it, but I can easily understand how this leads to levels of internal strife, pain and despair causing suicide.  I'm sure I speak for most of us who have replied here. 

I wrote all this to lead up to the following.   In August of this year, all of this came to a head for me.  I found myself working at home on a research paper dressed as "Steph."   I was in a period of intense gender dysphoria which I was hoping to mitigate at least to some degree by dressing congruently.  It was not working, I was feeling more and more despair.  I had read the Susan's forum many times but never participated, surely part of my denial of the reality of my gender discordance and underlying TG nature.  I can't tell you what finally led to formally joining the forum but in any case I did, wrote about my "predicament" only to find a community of many like spirits.  Several of the forum members offered support and insight that finally gave me the courage to seek psychotherapy and fully confront this reality central to my life.  Therapy has made all the difference for me.  Unlike many you will meet on this forum, I do not have the body dysphoria that is part of your husband's case.  I was able to simply embrace the nature of my personality structure and mainly female psychological attributes without dichotomizing my situation into male vs. female gender.  I'd love to get up in the morning and get dressed, interact socially, play out more traditional gender based roles as a woman.  Happily, I did not ultimately need to take measures to make this happen.

Therapist come in all flavors and types.  I chose one whom I knew would be able to look at my entire situation bringing a somewhat agnostic approach to the therapy.  There are some therapists who I suspect are insufficiently skeptical of the diagnosis up front and do not do diagnostic due diligence before forging ahead into plans for transition.  This leads to the main point of my post:  Not all need to transition; not all can reasonably manage the logistics of transition.  Given the complexity of my situation, particularly at work, I could not imaging how I would navigate gender transition while keeping my role intact. With respect to my relationship with my wife, I cautiously probed this question carefully with her over the years without disclosure of my situation.  It was very clear to me that her response should I disclose my gender concerns and TG nature would be based on the perception of being victim of a sustained dishonesty and  betrayal, one which would overshadow any other consideration, terminating our marriage.

For these 2 reasons I judged it would need to be an act of absolute despiration to transition or even come out.  I was fortunate that my therapist offered substantial help to me to come to a better understanding of my internal psychological milieu, also urging me to resume a meditation practice I had abandoned a number of years ago, and guided me to a place where I am pretty happy, not distressed, functioning normally in my work and life as a whole.  Whether this will be a sustained solution it to be seen but I am quite confident it is.

If I lived on a desert island, I suspect I would have found the decision to transition fairly easy to make.  Given the complexities of real life and the good fortune I had to be able to navigate a non-transition solution that allows me to function and go on comfortably with my life, I chose not to; no, I was fortunately able to avoid it.  There were some moments early on when I was becoming nearly resigned to the need to do some sort of transition whether low dose hormones or something else, disclose to my wife, face likely loss of my marriage--just to relieve the unbearable guilt and intense pain of gender dysphoria. 

I have only the greatest respect and admiration for my friends and other TG individuals who facing similar gender incongruity have bravely gone on to full transition.  Their examples in most cases are nothing short of heroic.  A feature which only further intensified my dysphoria and despair when grappling with my gender was the sense of being too weak of personality, feeling too cowardly to disclose and transition.  With therapy and the support from the wonderful people on this forum, I gained the insight that I was being far too hard on myself.  My decisions were not as simple as questions of bravery vs. cowardice.  To the contrary, they were driven by overwhelming sense of obligation to my wife, family and extensive network of student and colleagues.  I had determined that I did not need to create the disruption of many lives to serve the needs and happiness of just one. 

This was my solution, but I think I am probably one of the exceptions.  I am certain your husband has not made this decision lightly.  I am sure he would have been very happy to be a "plain vanilla" cis-gendered husband if this were possible.  If he has come to the point of disclosure to you and expressed desire to transition, the need is clear. 

As others have posted, this is not primarily about you but I assure you, your husband did not make this decision lightly and without consideration of its impact upon you or your marriage.  If you love him, try to help him through this difficult time.  It is impossible to know the specifics of the outcomes for either of you or your marriage with any certainty at this point.  Please do not do that which I am very certain would be the response of my wife, a snap conclusion and end of marriage.

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jentay1367

I would say good luck, but luck isn't what you need,  love, empathy and understanding is what will get you through. Continue to educate yourself. If in the end, if you can't make it work, you can split up. But you don't need to be angry or hateful. It's a good bet your husband is feeling guilty. This will allow you two to work things out,.....whichever way it goes, because (s)he will bend over backwards to appease your wants. But if you put them in the corner, berate them, threaten them or make them make decisions antithetical to their needs, you will find yourself in contention and everything will be much harder. This is not a choice they've made. This was most likely their last option. Understand that first.
      Sort your feelings out and make your decisions. In the end, it's all up to you. You will be the decider of whatever comes your way. Whether it is ugly or beautiful. Whether you can nurture your love or another course is best for all. I hope the very best for you and your relationship. We're all here for moral support for both of you.     Lisa
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SadieBlake

Quote from: Steph Eigen on December 24, 2016, 11:24:34 AM
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I have only the greatest respect and admiration for my friends and other TG individuals who facing similar gender incongruity have bravely gone on to full transition.  Their examples in most cases are nothing short of heroic.  A feature which only further intensified my dysphoria and despair when grappling with my gender was the sense of being too weak of personality, feeling too cowardly to disclose and transition.  With therapy and the support from the wonderful people on this forum, I gained the insight that I was being far too hard on myself.  My decisions were not as simple as questions of bravery vs. cowardice.  To the contrary, they were driven by overwhelming sense of obligation to my wife, family and extensive network of student and colleagues.  I had determined that I did not need to create the disruption of many lives to serve the needs and happiness of just one. 

This was my solution, but I think I am probably one of the exceptions.  I am certain your husband has not made this decision lightly.  I am sure he would have been very happy to be a "plain vanilla" cis-gendered husband if this were possible.  If he has come to the point of disclosure to you and expressed desire to transition, the need is clear. 

As others have posted, this is not primarily about you but I assure you, your husband did not make this decision lightly and without consideration of its impact upon you or your marriage.  If you love him, try to help him through this difficult time.  It is impossible to know the specifics of the outcomes for either of you or your marriage with any certainty at this point.  Please do not do that which I am very certain would be the response of my wife, a snap conclusion and end of marriage.

Steph has said a lot of this better than I did, I want to pickup this bit.

I made the same decision not to disrupt things 15 years ago and I knew when I decided last year that I needed to transition that the response of my partner would be as negative as it had been when I was first considering.

And so I started hormones before telling her because I needed to know decide whether it helped without having that emotionally laden conversation.

So on the one hand I was open with her (and most people who know me well) the from outset about being trans however in areas where my partner or others were judgmental or hurtful then necessarily there were things I hid. One of those was the decision to not proceed to transition in the first place. While I long since accepted that it was my decision and responsibility, I can't help but have some feelings about how she just shut down many conversations feeling that it was all about her.

Steph, you may come to a time when you need to be more true to yourself.

For me I got to a point where in not being me, I could no longer be good for others either.

OP, I hope this is useful to you.
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Steph Eigen

Thanks, SadieBlake. 

Just to be 100% clear, the point of my post was not to use my example as a basis to argue against transition or for the suppression of the suppressed feminine gender characteristics.   Just to the contrary.  I entered therapy entirely unsure of the outcome that would result, unsure whether I would be left with not option but to transition in some way or to some extent to manage the disabling dysphoria that plagued my everyday life.  For many, the only option is transition; the alternative, literally, death.

In the short term I judge myself fortunate that I was not forced to dramatically alter and  potentially negatively impact many lives of those I love and of valued  colleagues as well force a very difficult and troublesome overhaul of my life with almost certain loss of my marriage. 

I live in the shadow of gender dysphoria, an awful beast.  For now, the beast has been brought under control, beaten into submission.   I very consciously recognize the potential for it to re-emerge forcing me once again to face the question of transition and all it entails.  I've been entirely open and honest to myself having chosen a solution that represents the best combination of outcomes for me at many different levels.  Short of having the proverbial crystal ball, I cannot know what the future holds.

Steph

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janine2363

I'm on the other side of the story. I'm 46 married for 19 years and I discovered rather explosively
this year I'm transgender and polysexual. Don't ask how it could have been hidden in my mind even
for myself, but it did.

1 – How hard is it really to stay with someone that is transgender? I don't think I'm a lesbian but I do find women to be beautiful I could maybe see us staying together but will our love stay? I'm concerned we will just be good friends if we stay together. I don't want that. I want love.

I do love my wife, and she does love me, but ... she has her own needs and fulfilment. She needs a man, who looks
at her, as a man looks at a woman, has that connection. I hope we can stay together, because of what we share, but
it will be hard, because their is enough that separates us. It will hurt a lot if she leaves, but I cannot put my needs above hers

2 – What If I no longer want sex with this person, am I destined to be with out sex rest of my life?

Me and my wife walk a common road, but I now also want a separate road, there is a need in me to be seen as a
woman, not the body, surgery etc. But as in a (sexual) relation as well, i.e. I want the same thing she wants. She
notices now that our sex is better, but different, more carring, but different passion. If we stay together she should
look for the passion she needs.

3 – Do people love and stay together but move to separate rooms?

If you don't want to be close, well, then you don't want to be close

4 – What if he starts liking guys... maybe he already does! He says he only wants to be with me for the rest of his life and he is my person. He says he loves women, only attracted to women, but I have used toys on him in our play in the bedroom for years (strapon and plugs). He says he is a woman and a lesbian and lesbian anything super arouses him. He sees himself as a woman when we make love now, just with a penis.

I noticed that when my gender identity shifted, my sexual attraction shifted as well. I have to admit that I
have for the first time ever experienced a real orgasm (in my head, body, everywhere, except ...) it was an
incredible experience. I am also (sexually) atracted to my wife, but, well, ... there can be change. It requires a
lot of openmindedness from your side. For me it is easier in that respect, I know what is in my head. For someone
outside it is harder to understand and accept I figure


5- He wants the surgery to remove his testes, says he despises these *things*... won't that destroy sex?

For my relation I try to find a balance, I do -not- want surgery. It is a small compromise I think if I know who
I am and my sife learns to accept who I am, and nowing she will have a harder time accepting if I transition
further. Why the need / hurry for me. Sure I would love to live in a female body, but realistically, that's a
dream, can never really reach that anyway.

6- Him being an older male, I don't get why he wants to do this now.. I'm confused. He won't be hot, he is older best I think he could hope for, with LOTS of surgeries and implants would be to pass, even then..everyone will know.

It is not wanting, it heappens. Still to my wife I told it was a kind of choice, but that's self acceptance. She was
feeling as if she dangeld on a wire; How would I change next. So I told that I am happy to be transgender, if someone
would offer a pill to reverse, I would not take it, I am who I am, I do feel better that way, but don't want to transition
further.

I have to admit, for my wife it is harder than for me, as I said I can at least (try to) understand my own head, it comes
from my inside. For my wife she now questions herself, of course I know she didn;t do anything wrong, but that's words, her world is shattered, she's afraid of being "the woman of ...", she's not selfish, she forgievs and cares a lot, but she is hurting. Why do I say this? For a transgender it is fairly easy to become self obsessed, easy to overlook the others, so always speak up for yourslf.


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Paige

Quote from: SadieBlake on December 24, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
So on the one hand I was open with her (and most people who know me well) the from outset about being trans however in areas where my partner or others were judgmental or hurtful then necessarily there were things I hid. One of those was the decision to not proceed to transition in the first place. While I long since accepted that it was my decision and responsibility, I can't help but have some feelings about how she just shut down many conversations feeling that it was all about her.

Hi Sadie,

I think you make a very fair point.   For years society has treated us like we have the plague.  When you have a spouse pretty well giving you the same vibe, you have every right to be very guarded.  This whole idea that it's only about honesty in a relationship is to the say the least a little unfair.

Paige :)
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jentay1367

These threads kind of give me pause. OP is gone for more than a week and the thread keeps rolling along. I suspect she's long gone but the thread takes on a life of its own. We continue to give council to someone that's no longer present. Just weird.
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SadieBlake

I noted this also and hope the OP bothers to read responses to her last post but for now it seems like a bit bucket.
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Steph Eigen

I am pretty sure she's quite overwhelmed leading to her absence.  I hope she reads what we've collectively written.  Perhaps she'll surface again once she has had some time to consider the situation.
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Paige

Quote from: jentay1367 on December 29, 2016, 05:12:47 PM
These threads kind of give me pause. OP is gone for more than a week and the thread keeps rolling along. I suspect she's long gone but the thread takes on a life of its own. We continue to give council to someone that's no longer present. Just weird.

Hi Jen,
I always assume that for every person who asks a question on Susans, there are many more interested in the answers. 
Take care,
Paige :)
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home4u

well we just all went through some major holidays, cooking, hosting, cleaning, gift shopping, and traveling. I'm back now, kind of...it is the new year so busy and I'm trying to figure out what to do next with my partner, can't call him husband cause he wants to be a she.

I'm sorry if I don't participate at a high level here but I do appreciate all of you have taken the time to share with me your thoughts or experiences.
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Cailan Jerika

Quote from: home4u on January 01, 2017, 04:14:27 PM
well we just all went through some major holidays, cooking, hosting, cleaning, gift shopping, and traveling. I'm back now, kind of...it is the new year so busy and I'm trying to figure out what to do next with my partner, can't call him husband cause he wants to be a she.

I'm sorry if I don't participate at a high level here but I do appreciate all of you have taken the time to share with me your thoughts or experiences.
Hi, I'm Jean, another wife. I'm also going through this, though I had 18 years to deal with the basic knowledge before transition came up. If you ever need a sympathetic ear, message me for a phone number and we can cry on each others' shoulders.










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SadieBlake

Quote from: home4u on January 01, 2017, 04:14:27 PM
well we just all went through some major holidays, cooking, hosting, cleaning, gift shopping, and traveling. I'm back now, kind of...it is the new year so busy and I'm trying to figure out what to do next with my partner, can't call him husband cause he wants to be a she.

I'm sorry if I don't participate at a high level here but I do appreciate all of you have taken the time to share with me your thoughts or experiences.

Hey, sorry if I sounded critical, it's just if I see a thread carry evolving with discussion that doesn't include the OP, it seems wise to hold on further speculation.

Glad to see you're still working on it and understand that it's stressful.

On pronouns, I know I was far more adamant about wanting to be gendered according with presentation earlier in the journey and I can tell you that you'll better convey respect to people here if you refer to her by the pronouns she prefers.

I get that it's not easy, I've been working this out with my own partner for 18 years, only difference being I knew I was trans from the start.
🌈👭 lesbian, troublemaker ;-) 🌈🏳️‍🌈
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HappyMoni

Quote from: JeanR on January 01, 2017, 05:35:33 PM
Hi, I'm Jean, another wife. I'm also going through this, though I had 18 years to deal with the basic knowledge before transition came up. If you ever need a sympathetic ear, message me for a phone number and we can cry on each others' shoulders.
Hi Home4U,
   Jean can offer a perspective that we can not. I hope you see from the responses, that the transgender folks here are very eager to help as best we can. There is genuine concern for those we consider our sisters or brothers, but we are very concerned and care about the people they love as well. I know when you first heard of your partner's true self, it is natural to be shocked, maybe angry. I think we are eager to let you know that you partner does not do this to hurt you. Personnally,  I would ask you to look for the good as well as what could be a problem. My wife has known about me for 38 years and I have only just recently transitioned. I asked her how it would be if I went back to guy mode. She was adamant that I am much better, more loving and gentle being my genuine self. She says, no way would she want him back. I tell you this only to point out that there can be some pretty cool things that are possible from all of this. Wishing you the best.
Monica
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

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staciM

Monica, my wife shares the same sentiment.....she much prefers me after coming out (currently mentally living as a woman until I can begin my medical journey shortly) and she never wants to go back to the way things were (moody, depressed, angry etc).  She doesn't want "him" back.  We now have the best relationship that we've ever had in the previous 25 years of marriage.  Although we probably weren't ready before this we both agree that we wished that we could have lived authenticity years earlier.
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VenessaKyle

Hii there!

I just would like to share with you my story and how it relates to what you are going through. About five years ago. One night I got caught dressing up by my girlfriend (now my 'ex). She was completely enraged over the whole thing. We didn't speak for the rest of the night. The next morning I had told her my "deepest secret". How I had wished I was a girl an how I've had struggled with this feeling all my life. At first she was confused, upset, mad, and disgusted. Calling me hateful words like "->-bleeped-<-got, queer, homo". Telling me I'm supposed to be a man, I'm supposed to protect her. Saying her father raised her by saying a "man" doesn't act this way. Things where never the same after that. She had begun distancing herself from me. At first she thought that this was something "new". Due to the fact that I have an addictive personality. An she thought if it wasn't drugs then it's something else (I won't go into that). However a few months later she had broke up with me after five years. I then would feel ashamed along with feelings of regret. I truly loved her I really did. She was my world my everything. But she couldn't look past it...=/

I wish the both of you the best. An what ever happens, just know that your husband may be changing his gender appearance but the man who you married an fell in love with is still inside!
😇😸✌👄💕👗
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Cailan Jerika

That's not the way it works. I keep hearing it from those who are transitioning, but from the other side, it's not the same at all. Basically, what's being said is that YOU are the only thing that matters, and take it or leave it.

In order to maintain a relationship between a spouse and a transitioning person, you're insisting that the spouse gives up everything he or she is inside, his or her own needs, to accommodate the every need of the person who is transitioning.

I call that hypocrisy.

There is something seriously wrong with the current system.










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