I actually sent in photos to PAI and they recommended brow shaving, hairline lowering and chin shave - not anything else. It is so far the one with the least procedures recommended except Facialteam which called everything optional and basically only recommended forehead and hairline as a "should have".
However I tried to get more information from PAI about the procedures - especially if it is type 1 2 or 3 forehead and what type of hairline change and chin shave they do - but the answer was cryptic. I guess it was beyond their english language capabilities. I do assume though they only talk about shaving bone, no reconstructions or placing bones differently and I assume they just do a hairline incision for the brow burring and use it for hairline advance. They were surprisingly expensive though - they charge a lot extra for the hairline, which is usually included in the price for forehead surgery with other surgeons - and the pricetag they have for basically "just burring down bone" was not small.
Quote from: Ypsf09 on January 24, 2017, 04:04:30 AM
I totally agree with you about the conventional Ffs not being sufficient.
Wll it may be sufficient, but it does not really capture it all. Maybe not all is needed, but unless the other parts are at least considered, there might be a discrepancy developing when changing one part too much. It is more an art though to see it.
The best I can describe it is if you make yourself a red dress but the pieces for the arms and pockets and the buttons are all slightly different shades of red. Overall it looks like a red dress, maybe the difference in color is not recognized by many or it is perceived as a deliberate feature, but for some it will look odd.
QuoteThey would need extra help and this doesn't always mean overdone fake look but maybe something that is naturally undeniably feminine. And I mean just regular feminine, neither androgynous or hyper feminine. But we all know that is a very tricky/tough goal. And this is where the surgeons skills, aesthetics, comfort level become extremely important. A surgeon that can deliver a undeniably female face overall not one that is questionable or androgynous or fake looking. Now I do understand that some transwoman would still have to choose between looking artificially feminine or naturally androgynous. Famous transgender celeb Nina Arsenault talks about this in her autobiography that when all her attempts to look like a regular woman that blends in failed and she wasn't still passing she decided to go big than to go home. And hence her current exaggerated look.
Yes, that is what I meant with the proper balance. Unquestionable female would be great, though I guess there is no such thing for a single feature, but the combination makes it so. But not overcompensating with hyperfemininity.
Personally, I think i would rather choose to be slightly androgynous but natural rather than exxagerated or artificially feminine.
Well basically this is where I am now - more or less androgynous-female. And when I consider FFS, a natural look is thus very important to me as I would rather stay as I am now, with a "strongly featured female face" than looking "done" or obviously altered.
So I wonder which surgeons are best for that. Apparently Spiegel can do natural looks when told to not be too radical - Facialteam seem to do this as well, they do not seem to like doing results that look altered, which however results in my opinion in some people not getting as much change as needed. The other surgeons in USA seem to rather tend to do more radical changes, being used to people coming in with very masculine faces that need a lot of work. PAI seems very conservative and subtle in their approach, judging from their assessment of my photos.
QuoteI absolutely agree with you about the mindset of trying to camouflage masculine body/face with feminine clothes/makeup/hair. While there are some rare exceptions, generally it does more harm than good. But if those things really worked, our transitions would be so simple. Sigh.
Yeah - I think in the past it was more so - in the 1980ies or 1990ies people did not know so much about trans, so a person dressing in female clothes and all that probably just was a woman, even if her face or voice was a bit masculine. Nowadays, people get suspicious at small hints like a lower voice on a woman that otherwise looks feminine - or a scar at the neck where the adams apple could have been...