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What happens to non-sperm ejaculate after GRS?

Started by Rachel Richenda, January 22, 2017, 07:12:22 AM

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R R H

I have a sex plumbing question relating to post-vaginoplasty surgery.

Since my orchiectomy last July I have continued to produce ejaculate. It's clear fluid which must be coming from the prostate I guess as obviously I have no testicles and the tubes are tied off.

As the prostate will be left intact when I have my vaginoplasty my question is what happens to the current ejaculate? Is there a means for it still to flow, is I guess my question. And, if not, where does it leak to?

I'm kinda hoping someone's going to tell me it will still flow because it's an unexpected bonus since my op :)

much love,

Rach
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SadieBlake

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kat69

That's good to hear.   I've been hoping it does continue. 
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R R H

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R R H

Can I just ask more specifically then about the plumbing? I'm sure there are links to this, including no doubt on here, but I'm slightly confused.

One 'hole' must exist in the new vagina for pee, right? But with the head of the penis, that's used to form the new clitoris. Since that's where normally the ejaculate also appears I'm assuming they must leave that in some way open for it to emerge around the clitoris area during orgasm?

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SadieBlake

The urethra is shortened and is placed in the neovagina where a natal female's is located. Most surgeons use the excess urethra now, mine will be using it to form labia minora, it's at least somewhat mucosal so that's a good use.

The repositioned glans includes the nerve bundles to allow it to serve as a fully sensate clitoris.
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Jenna Marie

Yes, the "pee hole" in the penis is the urethra. As Sadie says, the urethra is removed from the penis, cut back to the length necessary, and moved to the place it would be on a cis woman - just above the vagina. (What happens to the removed portion varies; Brassard uses it to form the inside parts of the clitoral hood and inner labia, so that those are pink and mucosal.)  Since the internal plumbing isn't affected - the urethra still connects to the bladder and prostate the way it used to - the fluids travel the same way as always. And that does mean ALL of the fluids; it would be complex and difficult (if it's even possible) to reroute ejaculate while leaving urine to emerge from the urethra. In addition, cis women do not ejaculate from the clitoris, so I personally would refuse to go to a surgeon who did something so unusual!

There are no guarantees about what will happen with fluid from the prostate, since some women simply stop producing any due to HRT, surgery, or both. But if you are still capable of producing it after GRS, it will drip out of the urethra and over the vagina. I'm lucky enough that this ends up being a significant help to lubrication, and at this point, I even get wetter when I'm more turned on, just like a cis woman. The only real difference between lubrication in our anatomy and a cis woman's is that some of theirs also "seeps" through the vaginal walls from nearby glands; we have very similar glands, but they work via the urethra as well. However, in my experience, once everything down there is wet and slippery, it's impossible to tell where any of it is coming from anyway.

As an aside, most surgeons don't use the *whole* head of the penis. The glans is much, much larger than the clit on a cis woman, and it would also be distressing for many women to look down there and find a recognizable penis staring back at them.  A small portion of the glans (in my case, it's about a quarterr the size of my fingertip) is used to encase the penile nerves, so that the result is all the nerves condensed into a tiny area. This, too, is accurate relative to cis anatomy.
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SarahElizabeth1981

Just want to say thanks for the information. I was talking to some friends just yesterday about what they do with the urethra... more in terms of the excess tubing. I thought they would cut it to the necessary length but wasn't really sure.
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R R H

Thanks so much for the responses so far. I'm going to take them, including your wonderful detailed answer Jenna, to my consultation with Dr Phil Thomas: I'm eligible for a NHS funded vaginoplasty.

I definitely produce a viscose fluid when I come, this despite no longer having testicles (7 months now) and being on HRT. I'm keen as anything to keep that going post vaginoplasty.

p.s. very funny remark about not wishing to look down and see a penis  :D
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Jenna Marie

Glad to help! I don't know as much about  how the NHS surgeons handle things in terms of specific anatomical details, but I think you can safely assume that the urethra will be relocated and the prostate left intact, as I don't know of any reputable form of GRS that doesn't work that way. You could certainly consider asking him what is done with the leftover urethra mucosa and about typical clit size, though.

Although I should probably clarify something based on your latest reply - producing fluid at orgasm will not, obviously, help with self-lubrication *before* orgasm. (What I described for myself was different; I do squirt a little at orgasm, but the reason I don't need lube for sex is that the lubrication starts as soon as I'm slightly turned on and increases with arousal.)
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R R H

Yes that's a very interesting and good point. I don't think I produce anything currently prior to the sort of old male type orgasm although I'm not sure about that. I find a very different type of orgasm occurs nowadays as well: my whole body goes warm, tingles and shakes. Whether concurrently there's fluid below I'm not sure as I'm not looking ;)

I do hope no-one I know is reading this. Other than my partner & she's lovely :)

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