Getting to know one another, androgyny talk.

[cindybc]

I truly don't understand it, but fore one to become enlightened they must first go through the trials of  their own personal Hell in order to learn how to see the light. The word that appears to link us together is abuse.

It is such a shame that it has to be that way. My early childhood was wonderful and sometimes when I wish to escape from what is happening in the now I go back in time and visit my childhood.. Yes we do retain much of the child inside.

I would not trade any of what I have worked so hard to learn today for anything in the world. All is as it should be.

Cindy

[Jaimey]

Yeah...evangelical Christians are a frightening bunch.  Most of them are hypocrites anyway.  For example, my father, who used to be a drunk who couldn't keep a job and dragged my mother and myself through the mud, keeps saying, "I don't know about Eli," my younger cousin, who happens to be gay, but not out (his grandfather is a Southern Baptist preacher and I've met that side of his family...they are RED-redneck...yikes).  I keep wondering why he thinks he has any right to judge anyone else.  One day my mom (they're divorced now, thankfully) finally looked at him and said, "don't know what?"  It just proves that they've never really READ the Bible. 

I actually grew up in a Christian household, but not evangelical, and the church I grew up in really helped me not reject God completely, to keep some sort of spirituality.  The main reason I stopped identifying as Christian was other Christians...and that gave me the drive to do some searching on my own to find out what I really believe.

I agree with Cindy about having to go through your own Hell to see the light.  I would not be who I am now without having gone through what I have and I like who I am.  My life has made me very compassionate towards others and in the last couple of years, I've really gotten what I think is an enlightened perspective on life.  I think it's mostly that I just realized that everyone has a bad day and sometimes you just have to let things go. 


(y2g, I just netflixed Friend of God...thanks for putting that on there.  I love trying to figure people out, although the evangelicals aren't too hard...they are mostly uneducated, they don't think for themselves, and are afraid they'll go to Hell or worse, be rejected by their communities if they accept something different...such a small world would suffocate me)

[cindybc]

Her is a post I submitted that I brought in from elsewhere and though you all might be interested in. I do not believe all the propaganda judging of a church any church But I do belies that are many passages in the bible that will guide you if you really look for the answer.

I believe that we are free will agents, all of humanity. This means we are free to make any decisions we desire.  The consequences will be in direct proportion to the effort we decided to put into it.  Whether it be positive or negative is irrelevant in the gander scheme of things in Universe. But what you take or send to universe it will constantly seek to balance herself out. 

We either make the right decision or the wrong decision.  we are all wherever we are because of the decisions we have made.   

Time and space are but a continuum, where time, space, and dimension are all illusion, changeable by man's desire.  Now is the time we should be using our gifts of creativity and there would be no limits as to what we could create as a united human race.

Cindy 

[Shana A]

(y2g, I just netflixed Friend of God...thanks for putting that on there.  I love trying to figure people out, although the evangelicals aren't too hard...they are mostly uneducated, they don't think for themselves, and are afraid they'll go to Hell or worse, be rejected by their communities if they accept something different...such a small world would suffocate me)

I think you'll like this movie Jaimey! The thing that amazes me most is that some people won't think for themselves, and just take someone else's word for it. Oy!

y2g

[Jaimey]

The thing that amazes me most is that some people won't think for themselves, and just take someone else's word for it. Oy!

Me too!  They really frustrate me. 


Cindy,

Are there a lot of evangelicals in Canada?  (you did say you were from Canada, right?)  I don't know much about Canada's religious culture.

The midwest (which Kentucky is kind of in...we're kind of southern, and Louisville is kind of northern minded...KY's pretty diverse and hard to peg...AND YES, WE DO WEAR SHOES!!!...but only if we have to...hehe...I know someone was thinking it!).  I don't mean to be judgmental...it was meant to be an insightful (okay, so I am a little biased  ) description based on the people I know.  I will say that the biggest difference I've noticed between evangelical Christians and non-evangelicals is education, and when it isn't education, it's political party.  Educated evangelicals are almost always Republican (and stubbornly so...I've never met one that wasn't, but then again, I've not met all of them, have I?  I'm trying to stay away from blanket judgments, but they irritate me so much!!!  )

I told my mom this weekend that I don't believe in Satan...for a non-evangelical, raging liberal, she didn't take that as well as I thought she might.  She didn't tell me I was going to Hell or anything like that...she was just puzzled because I don't really believe in fallen angels or Hell or any of that stuff.

Hmm...

[RebeccaFog]

Satan is like about the biggest lie of all, in my view.

   The poor creature is used to scare superstitious people into behaving.  When you use fear to control other peoples' morality, it creates a tension in the poor souls who fall for it that makes their lives feel less beautiful than they could be.
    It makes the folks resentful.

[cindybc]

Hi Jaimey

I live in the British Columbia province of Canada.  As a nation, Canada is secular and does not feel the same influences from churches as might be felt elsewhere, like in the U.S.

There are laws protecting GBLTTSQQ persons from discrimination in employment, housing, equality under the law, and public accommodations.  I have yet to see any open hatred for us not have I seen what in the States is called a hate crime.

We are as diverse here as in the States, and maybe more so because we have a huge population of recent immigrants, many of whom sought to be out from under the influence of religious leaders or the groups they lead.

I feel safe here and I am treated well by my doctors, pharmacist, and wherever I go people address me by the gender that I present.  My soulmate and life-partner is still quite sensitive to such things and she finds it a pleasant change.

I live in BC and it appears that the churches here do not get into politics and BC is very heavily protected by laws. And Vancouver itself having a big population 

As for the devil, Lucifer, and hell, I believe one creates their own hell and manifests their Satans, in their minds right here on this planet. Witch burners, KKK, skinheads, and all that other such hatred is utter idiocy.

I would say that it was the persecutors who were the Satans that were executing those whom they see as servants of Satan. 

As to what happens in the hereafter, I don't suppose one will ever know unless we are one of the fortunate that comes back to tell the rest. I only just believe that we are all as one within the oneness that knows not time, ad infinitum.   

[RebeccaFog]

Canada is the true America.

[Jaimey]

That's it.  I think we all need to move to Canada.  How many extra rooms do you have, Cindy? 

Posted on: December 14, 2007, 06:21:40 PMy2g,

I watched Friend of God...wow.  I don't even know what to say.  I kept yelling at my computer (I was watching it on there) the whole time.  "Behemoth is a dinosour"...are you kidding me?  I even dug out my old bible to see what it said about Behemoth.  It said that most people believe that Behemoth was a HIPPOPOTAMUS...yeah.  The whole anti-evolution movement baffles me too...every year you hear on the news how the flu and other viruses are getting stronger and evolving, yet these people don't believe in evolution...and they believe that dinosaurs walked with man on Earth...wow.  I really loved that girl who told Alexandra Pelosi that she didn't think Pelosi had studied all the facts...amazing.

I like that it focused on the politics more than Jesus Camp (which scared the bejesus out of me...gotta love brainwashing).  One thing I was never willing to be was a sheep and these people seem to have NO ABILITY to think for themselves...if any of them stopped and thought for a moment, they'd realize how little like Christ they really are.  The leaders of those major right wing/evangelical movements disgust me.  Even sheep can be evil if their shepherd is. 

...*ehem* I have never seen that giant cross, nor have I ever played biblical mini golf... >

[Shana A]

That's it.  I think we all need to move to Canada.  How many extra rooms do you have, Cindy? 

Posted on: December 14, 2007, 06:21:40 PMy2g,

I watched Friend of God...wow.  I don't even know what to say.  I kept yelling at my computer (I was watching it on there) the whole time.

I've seriously thought of moving to Canada many times during the last few years...

Jaimey, I'd hate to think of you having a sore throat from my recommending a movie 

y2g

[cindybc]

Hmm I don't follow any religions, I have my own [spiritual] faith that I have developed through the years. I don't put down anyone else's beliefs unless it is outlandishly moronic. And even then what can I do except pray to Great Spirit to have mercy on these red necked christian.

As for coming to Canada I must say that BC is about the nicest province of them all. Vancouver area is has tropical rain fores and so far it has only gone down to freezing three times since I have been here. If you guys don't mind sharing a room with all my imaginary pets and my two ghosts  you are welcome to stay.

[RebeccaFog]

Thanks!  I'm packing right now, Baby.   

[Jaimey]

If you guys don't mind sharing a room with all my imaginary pets and my two ghosts  you are welcome to stay.

Wouldn't you be surprised if 50 androgynes just showed up at your door one day?  hehe...Perhaps one of these days I'll make it out that way...I have a friend in Portland, OR who keeps telling me I should...darn money.

Posted on: December 16, 2007, 12:28:02 PMy2g,

my throat wasn't too sore from yelling.    i felt a little weird though because I was wearing headphones and i live by myself, so if there were someone outside my window, who knows what they would have thought?  hehe. 

Actually, if anyone knows anymore good documentaries about that subject or any other for that matter, send me a message!  I LOVE documentaries!

[Shana A]

If you guys don't mind sharing a room with all my imaginary pets and my two ghosts  you are welcome to stay.

Wouldn't you be surprised if 50 androgynes just showed up at your door one day? 

Now that would be an awesome party!  I'll bring some musical instruments 

my throat wasn't too sore from yelling.    i felt a little weird though because I was wearing headphones and i live by myself, so if there were someone outside my window, who knows what they would have thought?  hehe. 

Actually, if anyone knows anymore good documentaries about that subject or any other for that matter, send me a message!  I LOVE documentaries!

Glad you didn't get a sore throat.  That movie made me want to scream too... We also love watching documentaries. I'll let you know if I can think of others to recommend.

y2g

[cindybc]

I don't watch very much TV, I just pick up what ever I want to know on the computer. I use to like renting movies, my favorites were children's stories. I use to write children's stories to. I just love children's stories, especially the fantasy ones.

Cindy

[Jaimey]

I LIKE tv, but cable's expensive...so right now I am limited to Netflix, NBC (it's fuzzy, but it comes in) and downloading.  Actually, I'm downloading a couple of Japanese dramas right now...I LOVE Japanese television!!!  I can't wait to move (Jan. 4th!!!) because my roommies and I are going to get cable and internet!  No more sitting in coffee shops and feeling bad for not buying anything!

I like children's shows/movies too!  I love anime (if you hadn't noticed) and Miyazaki has made some of my absolute favorite movies, like Howl's Moving Castle.  That's one of my favorite books too (it's by Diana Wynne Jones...everyone should read it!!!).  I also love The Little Princess, The Secret Garden, and classics like that. 

Some other good movies (if anyone wants a recommendation for something different) are The Bird People In China, F**K (pretty interesting...and funny!), Escaflowne (anime, but not for kids really), any Miyazaki film (Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, My Neighbor Totoro, etc.), hmm...I love movies, but now my mind is blank.

Definitely let me know if you think of any, y2g!  This is what I feel like when I watch religious documentaries like Friend of God or Jesus Camp... .  And I'm normally such a nice person...

[Pica Pica]

I love films, but I mostly have an unreconcilable hatred of fantasy. I get so riled. 

[Jaimey]

I like some fantasy and I also HATE  some fantasy...it depends on the story.  I don't generally read fantasy...especially the authors who have series that are 20 books long and every book is 600 pages...ugh.  When I worked at the bookstore I read a lot of "young adult" fantasy.  It's a lot better than "adult" fantasy.  They keep it short and relatively uncomplicated. 

As far as movies goes...it's about the same.  It really depends on the story.  But I generally prefer dramas and documentaries to fantasy.  I like foreign film as well. 

[Pica Pica]

But I agree with you on the children's book thing. I think there is a lot of pointers for the way forward in adult fiction from children's books.

[cindybc]

Hi I love fantasy, the especially the type I dream up myself in my mind. My ability to fantasise might have been the one element that kept me from going insane back during my troubled years some time back. I use to play act my own fantasies, even if it took remodeling the entire living room to do my act, it became my stage. I even put on some really good acts for friends, all of the characters I played were female. This was what actually kept me from fearing that I was loosing it, it actually helped me learn about myself more and that this little person was not doing anything bad at all. I was only seeking attention, my way of telling people this is me. I was just lost and lonely.

I had a vision last night where I saw the little anime you have for your avatar standing and looking over the edge of a cliff. While he/she was intently peering down over the edge towards the bottom, from where I stood I could only see the expanse of a dry desert like gulch. I looked to the other side of the gulch where there was another horizontal wall that extended the whole length of the gulch, there didn't appear to be anything out there that was unusual. I walked over to your anime  and peered down where he/she was looking. Near the bottom I saw what appeared to be a very large bottomless spiral or vortex. each of the slowly spiraling rings rotated inwards, clockwise. Each ring were all different colors,  and they appeared to have their own inner luminosity. I came to and that was it.

Yes I like animes.








Cindy