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Started by Jared3339, April 17, 2017, 12:40:45 PM

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Jared3339

Hey guys
So some of you may remember my previous post about coming out and how horrible that went with my parents, well I figured I would give you guys an update on my situation. So after much arguing and bitterness from my mom we finally FINALLY got to see a trans therapist, I was giddy with excitement. When I did actually go in for my first appointment things went ok, however after the appointment my mom informed me that I will not be seeing a trans therapist again. It had something to do with the insurance apparently. So I'm understandably upset, not with my mom but more in general. I wish the world was more accepting. Anyways I did have the discussion with my mom again about starting hrt and that went horribly, she thinks that all I want to do is modify my body and in her words " grow boobs". She doesn't understand that I'm not comfortable in my own body and it's not just me wanting to modify my body. So I'm kinda stuck. I workout everyday for 2 hours doing trans exercises and well I'm not seeing​ a huge improvement but there's definitely some improvement. I was put on antidepressants (Prozac 20mg) because my mom wanted me on it because she correlates me being trans with be being so depressed that I want to change myself. I had a negative reaction with the Prozac and ended up in the hospital with 5 stitches and a severed rotary artary. By the way that injury was not from self harm it was in fact from me stupidly​ loosing it and plam- fisting a glass bowl. So now I'm drug free as I should have been originally and I mean I still feel depressed as all hell, mainly body image issues. I honestly really want my hrt and I feel myself spiraling down hill. I've done my research, you know spirolactione and estrace and what not, I've even figured out my dosages. However I'm no doctor but I do find alot of comfort in having some sort of plan. I don't know what to do... I live in a region where the black cohosh plant is native but endangered so I'm keeping my eyes out for it, but besides that I don't know what to do, I need some advice.
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SailorMars1994

Im going to be cynical but I have some serious doubts that your mom cancelled your gender therpay appointments due to insurence costs. I have a hunch she probably heard information she didnt want to hear or was convinced that they were actually going to help you and not ''help'' you and pulled the plug herself. This is my observations based on other actions. Also, gender dysphoria casues depression not the other way around!! Sorry to hear about your artery tho :(.. How old are you? can you leave and live on your own or with a roomie/freind?
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Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Jared3339

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on April 17, 2017, 01:03:33 PM
Im going to be cynical but I have some serious doubts that your mom cancelled your gender therpay appointments due to insurence costs. I have a hunch she probably heard information she didnt want to hear or was convinced that they were actually going to help you and not ''help'' you and pulled the plug herself. This is my observations based on other actions. Also, gender dysphoria casues depression not the other way around!! Sorry to hear about your artery tho :(.. How old are you? can you leave and live on your own or with a roomie/freind?

That's what I'm thinking.... I'm currently 17 but I'm a junior in highschool soooo that's a problem and there's not really anyone I can move in with
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Charlie Nicki

I'm sorry that you're going through this. On the bright side, you are veeery young so it's very positive that at least things are moving.
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Balerie

I have to agree with SailorMars about your mother ending the therapy sessions. In my case with my insurance, I get the first 10 sessions for about $7 and without insurance it's $27. Still not too bad or expensive. Your mother was probably hoping that the therapist would take her side and deny your trans feelings. It's obvious she hasn't looked into this enough to know that no one can tell you whether you are or are not transgender. You must figure it out yourself with the assistance of a therapist. On the plus side, when you're 18 you'll be able to move out on your own and plot your own life. You've got less than a year to go if you don't want to leave earlier than that.


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zirconia

Hi, Jared

It does sound like while others are more understanding your mother wants to block what you want. It must at least be a relief to no longer have to take drugs that you don't need and only made you feel worse.

In a previous post you said your school guidance counselor introduced you to the lbgtq therapist at your school. Does the school continue to support you?

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Rambler

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Jared,

I'm so sorry you are going through this with nothing but your mother's psuedo-support. You are incredibly brave. I could only imagine having it in me to solve the problems at 17 that I'm dealing with now nearly a decade later. The same red flag that Sailor Mars mentioned sprung up for me the second I read your update. It's very common for parents of trans-teens/children to attempt to hinder any progress. My own therapist told me about her experience with a teen who was very heavily questioning, had made amazing progress towards acceptance, but never saw the kid again after "her" mom found out they were discussing her gender dysphoria. I could tell how hard it was for my therapist to see that kid stop coming to sessions. You could do some snooping and find out your insurance information  (group/I'd number) and call yourself for plan details regarding mental health and gender dysphoria coverage. I would also recommend calling the therapist you met with directly and ask them the same questions. At the very least, they might be able to direct you to an agency or program that can help trans youths.

Great call getting off those anti-depressants. You should never take something like that for someone else. They might be something you or a therapist feel is beneficial or necessary, but you shouldn't be starting them without exhausting other options and working on the root problem of your depression. Coincidentally, depression & anxiety are trademark symptoms of gender dysphoria and tend to alleviate when the dysphoria is treated. That being said, the cause could certainly be multi-faceted. Interestingly enough, studies have shown that transgender children who are permitted to explore &  embrace their gender identities are no more likely to suffer from depression than their cis-gender peers and are only marginally more likely to suffer from anxiety. Go figure.

Part of the struggle that trans-people face is that cis-people just simple don't get it. Something I've discussed with my therapist, who has expressed that even though she has studied gender & sexuality, and understands the theory and psychology, she still doesn't understand what it's like to actually process those thoughts & feelings. Based on what you've said, your mother clearly has no grasp on what gender dysphoria actually is.

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So, as far as she is concerned, the end all, be all, really is just body modification. It may be that you need to educate her on the depths of what you are going through. Try looking for documentaries like the Nat Geo one that just released recently or personal stories from other trans people who you find you can relate to and present them to her. I know that it can feel like the people around you are trying to play gate keeper or that they are acting with malintent, it's often that the revelation you took so long to come to terms with yourself is more than they are ready to process themselves or that they just simply don't have the tools to understand. Sometimes we have to help them along.

Now, if your own personal experience has been anything like mine in the slightest, you might just detest even the thought of this; but you're almost 18. In a little over a year you will be out of high school and onto the working world or college. If you aren't able to be yourself under your parents' roof, you will be soon enough. I would suggest doing thorough research about transitioning, find a part time job (now is primetime to start applying for the summer spots before the college kids get them) and start putting money away to kick-start your transition. First thing though, therapy can really help and I definitely wouldn't give up on that. If you can't see a "gender therapist" do some reading online and call around, find a therapist who is covered by your insurance who might have some experience with trans clients. Even if they aren't and expert, per se. Tell your mom you want to see them about your depression, you've probably got a good excuse being off the medication she wanted you on. You can still discuss your dysphoria with them in confidence and get the ball rolling towards whatever path is best for you.

Best wishes!

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SailorMars1994

I will say one other thing for all intents and purposes. You are 17 years old. I am also assuming you are either Canadian or American which is a blessing as both countries Canada, and a large amount of the states are largley progressive on LGBT now. But getting back to what I was talking about, you are 17. It is time to create or update that resume and get an after school job. Save as much money as possible and move one you hit 18/finically ready. Dont need to think over the top as to rent a house or even your own appartment, look for a respectable and responsible roomate. I did that for about a year until I had to return home for personal reasons. It was actually awesome in my experince. The indepedence was amazing. If you live in either a remote area or a place still hostile to LGBT then i suggest saving even more money and taking peoples call-in sick shifts as much as possible. Beg to pick up extra hours on the weekend and during your summer/spring break. This way you can save enough money and move to a more accepting area if you are not in one already. Some tips, save a few grand before you move. Especially if you must move out of your current area that way you have first and last months rent (some places require this, yes, even for being a roomate in addition to a damage deposit) and that you have funds of your own just incase you have to move a long distance and dont land into a job within the ideal time of the first couple weeks. If you live in a LGBT accepting area already then you wont have to spend as much for moving on your own and you can use that money for RRSP's ;)

Hugs-Ashley
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Gender became on radar: 2007
Admitted to self : 2010
Came out: May 12 2014
Estrogen: October 16 2015
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Jared3339

Quote from: zirconia on April 17, 2017, 05:40:17 PM
Hi, Jared

It does sound like while others are more understanding your mother wants to block what you want. It must at least be a relief to no longer have to take drugs that you don't need and only made you feel worse.

In a previous post you said your school guidance counselor introduced you to the lbgtq therapist at your school. Does the school continue to support you?

By the way, if you continue a discussion on a single thread, updates bring it back to the top and is flag it for anyone who has replied.

Thanks I'm not too familiar with the coding used on Susan's place but yes my school is being good about it
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Jared3339

Hey guys bad news, so after our first "family" therapy appointment last night, my parents have come to the conclusion that I either take the new meds (lithium) or they call department of child services and they will take me away...... I dont know whether to do, it seems the lesser of two evils is just to say that I'll take the lithium.
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Rambler

Quote from: Jared3339 on April 19, 2017, 08:37:38 AM
Hey guys bad news, so after our first "family" therapy appointment last night, my parents have come to the conclusion that I either take the new meds (lithium) or they call department of child services and they will take me away...... I dont know whether to do, it seems the lesser of two evils is just to say that I'll take the lithium.

Jared,

I'm sorry for your situation. That simply isn't how the department of Child services works. No one is going to take you away for not taking medication and it sounds to me like a lot of fear tactics to get you to follow along with what they want. I would also have to seriously question any therapist who would just go along with parents on this without playing a mediator. I'm curious, are you seeing a therapist one on one for depression or we're these meds prescribed by someone like a family doctor at the request of your parents?
Up and away and off I go to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Jared3339

Quote from: Rambler on April 19, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
Jared,

I'm sorry for your situation. That simply isn't how the department of Child services works. No one is going to take you away for not taking medication and it sounds to me like a lot of fear tactics to get you to follow along with what they want. I would also have to seriously question any therapist who would just go along with parents on this without playing a mediator. I'm curious, are you seeing a therapist one on one for depression or we're these meds prescribed by someone like a family doctor at the request of your parents?

The therapist Im currently seeing I've been seeing for 6 years, for depression relating to phisical and verbal abuse by my father, I was prescribed lithium by a doctor that I see to special alter and change my specific doses, I forget what they are called.
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Rayna

I agree with Rambler. This is a bluff by your parents.

Therapists may be bound by confidentiality where you are. I think that age is 16 in some places. If your therapy is not one on one, you should ask for that, and be sure to get confidentiality.  Your therapist should only speak about you if compelled by a court order.

Even if you can't see a gender therapist, a "general" therapist should be able to help you a lot. You need and deserve this help. This is about your health. Denying you this type of care, with a history of mental or emotional problems as documented by your doctor, would constitute child abuse. Child Services may actually be your ally, although they would be reluctant to step in.

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Jared3339

Quote from: RandyL on April 19, 2017, 09:22:20 AM
I agree with Rambler. This is a bluff by your parents.

Therapists may be bound by confidentiality where you are. I think that age is 16 in some places. If your therapy is not one on one, you should ask for that, and be sure to get confidentiality.  Your therapist should only speak about you if compelled by a court order.

Even if you can't see a gender therapist, a "general" therapist should be able to help you a lot. You need and deserve this help. This is about your health. Denying you this type of care, with a history of mental or emotional problems as documented by your doctor, would constitute child abuse. Child Services may actually be your ally, although they would be reluctant to step in.

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See the thing is it's really not a bluff from my parents, I don't know if you read my previous post relating to this situation (ask for a link) but my mom has tried to get me sent off before
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Rambler

Quote from: Jared3339 on April 19, 2017, 09:21:56 AM
The therapist Im currently seeing I've been seeing for 6 years, for depression relating to phisical and verbal abuse by my father, I was prescribed lithium by a doctor that I see to special alter and change my specific doses, I forget what they are called.

I find it odd that you are only being prescribed lithium for depression. Typically, that is used for treating bi-polar disorder, particularly by limiting manic mood swings. Its also used as a supplement to anti-depressant medication, but wouldn't do much for treating depressive symptoms on its own. You should not be taking that (or any medications that affect the chemical function of your brain) without thorough discussion with your personal therapist and doctor about whether it is right for you.

Randyl is right. If you request it, your therapist should not be discussing anything with your parents unless it has to do with you harming yourself or others. Even as a minor. Start talking to your general therapist about what is going on.

Have hope. It's going to get better.
Up and away and off I go to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Jared3339 on April 19, 2017, 08:37:38 AM
Hey guys bad news, so after our first "family" therapy appointment last night, my parents have come to the conclusion that I either take the new meds (lithium) or they call department of child services and they will take me away...... I dont know whether to do, it seems the lesser of two evils is just to say that I'll take the lithium.

Wow! So sorry to hear this, it honestly sounds like something out of American Horror Story, trying to make you look insane and prescribing you with meds. Is there a way for you to "act" as if you are complying with whatever they want you to do until you are 18 and can get a job and move out?
Latina :) I speak Spanish, English and a bit of Portuguese.
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Jared3339

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on April 19, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
Wow! So sorry to hear this, it honestly sounds like something out of American Horror Story, trying to make you look insane and prescribing you with meds. Is there a way for you to "act" as if you are complying with whatever they want you to do until you are 18 and can get a job and move out?

That's what I'm trying to do but in all honesty I really REALLY really want to start hrt, I'm right at that point with puberty and I don't want my shoulders getting any wider
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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Jared3339 on April 19, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
That's what I'm trying to do but in all honesty I really REALLY really want to start hrt, I'm right at that point with puberty and I don't want my shoulders getting any wider

This might sound like awful advice but if you are able to get away with it behind their back, go for it. If not, just wait...You are pretty young, you won't have any drastic changes in the next months, unless you were 12 and just starting puberty, your shoulders won't get bigger over night ;).
Latina :) I speak Spanish, English and a bit of Portuguese.
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ScarletRed

Quote from: Jared3339 on April 17, 2017, 12:40:45 PM
Hey guys
So some of you may remember my previous post about coming out and how horrible that went with my parents, well I figured I would give you guys an update on my situation. So after much arguing and bitterness from my mom we finally FINALLY got to see a trans therapist, I was giddy with excitement. When I did actually go in for my first appointment things went ok, however after the appointment my mom informed me that I will not be seeing a trans therapist again. It had something to do with the insurance apparently. So I'm understandably upset, not with my mom but more in general. I wish the world was more accepting. Anyways I did have the discussion with my mom again about starting hrt and that went horribly, she thinks that all I want to do is modify my body and in her words " grow boobs". She doesn't understand that I'm not comfortable in my own body and it's not just me wanting to modify my body. So I'm kinda stuck. I workout everyday for 2 hours doing trans exercises and well I'm not seeing​ a huge improvement but there's definitely some improvement. I was put on antidepressants (Prozac 20mg) because my mom wanted me on it because she correlates me being trans with be being so depressed that I want to change myself. I had a negative reaction with the Prozac and ended up in the hospital with 5 stitches and a severed rotary artary. By the way that injury was not from self harm it was in fact from me stupidly​ loosing it and plam- fisting a glass bowl. So now I'm drug free as I should have been originally and I mean I still feel depressed as all hell, mainly body image issues. I honestly really want my hrt and I feel myself spiraling down hill. I've done my research, you know spirolactione and estrace and what not, I've even figured out my dosages. However I'm no doctor but I do find alot of comfort in having some sort of plan. I don't know what to do... I live in a region where the black cohosh plant is native but endangered so I'm keeping my eyes out for it, but besides that I don't know what to do, I need some advice.

Jared3339
I'm sorry to hear about the challenges your facing I too was forced to come out by my mother and the first 12 months where difficult but I slowly told her more and more about my feelings with extreme emphases on my feelings of dysphoria. She eventually came around and is now my biggest supporter. This kind of news takes a lot of time for family to adjust too. There seems to be several phases parents go through, for my parents denial was the first they tried to find other reasons for my dysphoria any other reason than being TG. The second stage was acceptance after like 8 more months when the dysphoria didn't go away but got worse they finally accepted this wasn't just a phase. After about 18 months my parents started letting me present as female on the weekends and the positive change they saw in me made it even harder for them to deny the fact that I am TG. It was shortly after that they let me start HRT I had to do a lot of homework about HRT and find a TG clinic on my own but my mom eventually agreed and even took me to the appointment and that was September 14th 2016. Since January 1st 2017 I have been living almost full time as a woman their are a few exceptions like when I'm around my nieces and nephew where I still have to present as male which is very hard for me, but its all about give and take. Most of all a ton of patience on our part it took over two years for my parents to get to a point in their own transition to where they are being more accepting of me as a trans woman and they are still a long way from where I would like them to be.
When I was your age I too was put on prozac and it worked fine until I completed puberty then I had a horrible reaction to it my behavior became psychotic and I was so depressed my Senior year in high school I had to be home schooled almost my entire senior year. Shortly after I turned 18 I tried to commit suicide and was institutionalized for a month. The doctors at the institute immediately took me off the prozac and put me on Wellbutrin after doing that the psychotic behavior stopped completely and depression was reduced significantly.
Be patient with your parents like I said this is a transition for them too
Good Luck
Warm Regards
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Britt116

Hey... I'm going through some problems of my own and I am a year younger than you. If you want to talk then message  me because I would like to talk to someone near my age and I think it might help and maybe we can give each other advice. Idk how you feel. My advice on this, however, is that you should consider talking to a school counselor because they will be able to help point you in a direction. If you can't do that then I would give your mom a list of websites that will help explain things to her and ease her into the idea. Hope this helps!
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