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Transition in the military

Started by Erica b, April 22, 2017, 03:42:03 PM

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Erica b

Im currently serving in the army infantry deployed. After many years of crossdressing I have realised this is somthing more and I cant be happy untill i do somthing about it. I came out to my mom and she was supportive and my wife already knows how I feel and was not at all suprised i am really more comfortable as a woman.  Has anyone come out while serving? I have two years left on my contract and I plan on talking to a theripist asap. What should I expect? Ive been denying myself and i dont see transitioning as a option but somthing I must do. Any other comments about coming out would be helpfull i dont know if there are many others in my situation. I hope im not alone.
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Deborah

My situation is different since I'm retired Infantry but last year I did talk to my primary care NP here at the Ft. Benning Hospital about all of this.  She was highly supportive and got me all squared away so I could get all my blood tests and HRT meds at the Army hospital.  So, at least as of right now the Army is being supportive.

She was taken a bit off guard at first though.  I think I was the first one that had ever brought any of this up.

I don't know how they will handle this with you deployed but I wouldn't be surprised if they make you wait until redeployment to begin.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Erica b

Quote from: Deborah on April 22, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
My situation is different since I'm retired Infantry but last year I did talk to my primary care NP here at the Ft. Benning Hospital about all of this.  She was highly supportive and got me all squared away so I could get all my blood tests and HRT meds at the Army hospital.  So, at least as of right now the Army is being supportive.

She was taken a bit off guard at first though.  I think I was the first one that had ever brought any of this up.

I don't know how they will handle this with you deployed but I wouldn't be surprised if they make you wait until redeployment to begin.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
The current policy says it has to work around the mission so i would have to wait but as much as im told not to care about what others think, I do.

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V M

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Devlyn

Hi Erica, welcome to Susan's Place! Thank you for your service. I see V M already
gave you the Roll Call link. Thanks, V M!  :) 

You're certainly not alone in all this, and you've come to the right place. See you around the site!

Hugs, Devlyn
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Deborah

Quote from: Erica b on April 22, 2017, 04:28:52 PM
The current policy says it has to work around the mission so i would have to wait but as much as im told not to care about what others think, I do.

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I expect that you wouldn't need to worry about medical personnel.  They will be professional regardless of what they might personally think.  I'm not sure about the Soldier's in the unit.  Things are probably a lot different now than they were when I was in an Infantry company in the early 90s.  If the chain of command is good though you shouldn't have any big problems as long as you continue to perform.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Erica b

Thank you for the link vm.  I have not seen the page yet. I read this site alot and I finally decided to get involved in the community. Looking back I've been reading it for years....

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Erica b

Quote from: Deborah on April 22, 2017, 05:23:01 PM
I expect that you wouldn't need to worry about medical personnel.  They will be professional regardless of what they might personally think.  I'm not sure about the Soldier's in the unit.  Things are probably a lot different now than they were when I was in an Infantry company in the early 90s.  If the chain of command is good though you shouldn't have any big problems as long as you continue to perform.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
The policy has changed but i still hear jokes about it alot. The commander gave a breif about the policy and nobody took it seriously. The co did and i was happy for that. Right now the most popular joke is to ask about changing your gender so you can conform to female pt standards. Im desparate to be myself but afraid. I dont want to be a joke. How do you deal with that?

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Deborah

Quote from: Erica b on April 22, 2017, 05:50:12 PM
The policy has changed but i still hear jokes about it alot. The commander gave a breif about the policy and nobody took it seriously. The co did and i was happy for that. Right now the most popular joke is to ask about changing your gender so you can conform to female pt standards. Im desparate to be myself but afraid. I dont want to be a joke. How do you deal with that?

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I'm not surprised.  I still work around mostly Infantrymen, both active and retired, and I hear that stuff too.

This might help.  I'm not officially "out" but my hair is past my shoulders and I've been on HRT for two (+) years.  I'm not exactly sure what people think but I am sure they've noticed things because one of my friends told me people were talking about it. 

Despite that, nobody has ever said anything hostile nor has anyone ever acted badly towards me.  People are as friendly as they ever were.  Sometimes it seems as if they're more friendly; probably because I'm happier and more at ease than I was before.

So if you are respected and treated well now then most likely that will continue.  Given the "combat arms" culture some might joke around in a direct way.  Just let it slide and give a good comeback. Don't make that kind of stuff into a big deal.  It happens to me occasionally so I just have fun with it, laugh and turn it around on them.  Once people see you are still a good performer and don't suddenly become "weird" then things will continue normally as before.


Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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kat69

My experience might be slightly different as I came out in the Canadian military...and please don't take this the wrong way, but...we're more openminded and more advanced than most other countries in this area, especially the US.

However, it took me over 28 years of service before I came out and started transitioning.  Yes, laws and policies backed me up for a long time, but I was never comfortable because of the climate within the Army and social perceptions.  The thing is I never really believed in and trusted those around me...and that was my mistake.  No one, even the oldest and crustiest Colonel or Sergeant-Major, is inherently mean or uncaring.  I didn't give those around me a chance to show me that they are good people.

Sure all the laws and legislation kind of mandate everyone to be nice, but I have had nothing but support and kindness since I came out.

I know it's hard...but you (and we) need to learn to trust humanity...and let them join us on our journey, even if that journey takes place in uniform.
Therapy - December 2015
Out to Family - 15 September 2016
Start of Transition - 28 October 2016
Full Time - 2 November 2016
HRT - 23 November 2016
GCS - 30 April 2018 (Dr Brassard)



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Erica b

Quote from: kat69 on May 03, 2017, 07:46:59 AM
My experience might be slightly different as I came out in the Canadian military...and please don't take this the wrong way, but...we're more openminded and more advanced than most other countries in this area, especially the US.

However, it took me over 28 years of service before I came out and started transitioning.  Yes, laws and policies backed me up for a long time, but I was never comfortable because of the climate within the Army and social perceptions.  The thing is I never really believed in and trusted those around me...and that was my mistake.  No one, even the oldest and crustiest Colonel or Sergeant-Major, is inherently mean or uncaring.  I didn't give those around me a chance to show me that they are good people.

Sure all the laws and legislation kind of mandate everyone to be nice, but I have had nothing but support and kindness since I came out.

I know it's hard...but you (and we) need to learn to trust humanity...and let them join us on our journey, even if that journey takes place in uniform.
Thank you for your reply I just saw your post. Since starting this thread I have come out to my four brothers and they all didint seem to care aside from being a little suprised. Not as eventful as i thought it would be. When i get back home i will be seeing a therapist and possibly transitioning before i finish this contract. Talking about this really helped and seeing that nobody in my family really cares was also very helpfull. My commander will probably find out first since he will have to be informed before I start treatment. Im thankfull for the insight from all who responded.

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Gertrude

Quote from: kat69 on May 03, 2017, 07:46:59 AM
My experience might be slightly different as I came out in the Canadian military...and please don't take this the wrong way, but...we're more openminded and more advanced than most other countries in this area, especially the US.

However, it took me over 28 years of service before I came out and started transitioning.  Yes, laws and policies backed me up for a long time, but I was never comfortable because of the climate within the Army and social perceptions.  The thing is I never really believed in and trusted those around me...and that was my mistake.  No one, even the oldest and crustiest Colonel or Sergeant-Major, is inherently mean or uncaring.  I didn't give those around me a chance to show me that they are good people.

Sure all the laws and legislation kind of mandate everyone to be nice, but I have had nothing but support and kindness since I came out.

I know it's hard...but you (and we) need to learn to trust humanity...and let them join us on our journey, even if that journey takes place in uniform.

I think the right term would be more socially progressive? Advancement covers a lot of territory.


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Jennifer RachaelAnn

Just be glad you're not transitioning in the USMC. I was briefly in the Corps until I busted my back. And during hygiene, there were always at least a few recruits talking about how (I'll put this as politely as I can) LGBTQ people had no business even considering military service because "no soldier wants to be stuck with someone who should be watching his back instead of his ass". The MC is ungodly judgemental. It's been my experience that the Army is a lot more laid back about things like this. I would suggest just to lightly guide a random conversation to this area and gauge everyones reaction. If it's safe, go ahead with whatever you feel comfortable with. If not, I would suggest keeping your mouth shut. Soldiers can often be as volatile as a jar of nitro tossed in the air.
"There are many who would take my time. I shun them.
There are some who share my time. I am entertained by them.
There are precious few who contribute to my time. I cherish them."


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Erica b

Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on May 28, 2017, 08:12:56 PM
Just be glad you're not transitioning in the USMC. I was briefly in the Corps until I busted my back. And during hygiene, there were always at least a few recruits talking about how (I'll put this as politely as I can) LGBTQ people had no business even considering military service because "no soldier wants to be stuck with someone who should be watching his back instead of his ass". The MC is ungodly judgemental. It's been my experience that the Army is a lot more laid back about things like this. I would suggest just to lightly guide a random conversation to this area and gauge everyones reaction. If it's safe, go ahead with whatever you feel comfortable with. If not, I would suggest keeping your mouth shut. Soldiers can often be as volatile as a jar of nitro tossed in the air.
The Army is the same way. I hear the same comments every other day. I think things are changing across the board but its still bad. Im serving in the Infantry. Combat arms has just recently opened to women and the same for being trans. If i came out tommorow Id be the first openly trans infantryman (or woman?) to the best of my knowledge. People would call me a pervert for wanting to use female facilities.

As far as being gay I think if your confident about yourself people still respect you. Ive seen sombody say they were gay because it came up in conversation once and it was ackward because dont ask dont tell was just repealed but that was it. Soldier A said he was gay then soldier B said really? In disbelief and soldier A said yes. That was it and gay jokes weren't funny anymore. Im hope being trans becomes the same way. I think soldiers will always make jokes about everything. Its usally about things that nobody should joke about.



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VickyJones89

Quote from: Jennifer RachaelAnn on May 28, 2017, 08:12:56 PM
Just be glad you're not transitioning in the USMC. I was briefly in the Corps until I busted my back. And during hygiene, there were always at least a few recruits talking about how (I'll put this as politely as I can) LGBTQ people had no business even considering military service because "no soldier wants to be stuck with someone who should be watching his back instead of his ass". The MC is ungodly judgemental. It's been my experience that the Army is a lot more laid back about things like this. I would suggest just to lightly guide a random conversation to this area and gauge everyones reaction. If it's safe, go ahead with whatever you feel comfortable with. If not, I would suggest keeping your mouth shut. Soldiers can often be as volatile as a jar of nitro tossed in the air.

Oh amen sister. Marine here but luckily the two lose friends I did have point blank told me after I got out and came out that A "oh ok cool so you like men? I answered no, he said oh so now you just play for the other team lol" and B "I wasn't friends with you cause you were a dude, I was friends with you because you're a great Marine and worked hard"

Hehe Semper Fi
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dusty97

Current Army here!
My experience may be different from yours, as I'm (1) combat support and (2) (possibly(still questioning)) ftm.

HOWEVER, I do know that there are huge provisions being made- you are allowed to receive the medical treatment once it is "determined medically necessary." What I have taken this to mean is "once you see a provider about the dysphoria and tg feelings and they give you the go-ahead on beginning transition." Currently, I'm exploring options with my Army psychologist about my thoughts on this, and we're looking into the feelings together. The behavioral health I have received has been a surprisingly very positive experience- most *behavioral* providers are very open and willing to work with you to whatever goals you may have. (I emphasize behavioral because we all know how difficult the regular medical system can sometimes be.) So as far as the actual transition process, you have the option and it is available. You can't start HRT on deployment, and you can't start it within I think a few months after, but once you're on it, you are undeployable for (if I remember correctly) two years AFTER becoming stable. Bottom line is, its a treatment that's there, but you have to go through the right avenue- and yes, it does have to be at the convenience of the Army, but that's everything really.

Being infantry, I could see how that might affect you- referring back to the whole "convenience of the Army thing... But as long as you are not slated for a deployment in the near future, you technically *should* be okay, but I'm not really sure how alot of the infantry field training schedules work, that's something you'd have to discuss with your leadership when/ if you decide to follow this while still enlisted.

Another option, if it becomes apparent that transitioning as infantry would not be possible... a reclass. I guess here you have to weigh a couple of things. Is transitioning while still in what you want to do? Do you only want to be infantry/ CA? Is it a deal-breaker for your continued enlistment to have to consider a reclass to a CS MOS in order to transition? Is it a deal breaker for transitioning? Which one would you consider more important to you? etc. I know the atmosphere is tough. I have to remind my comrades almost once a week to refrain from using "gay" as a derogatory word (by saying "that's gay" meaning "that sucks" or "that's stupid") because I know they could get in serious trouble for it if the wrong person walks by (it also bothers me a little, tbh). But for the most part, everyone tries to be tolerant at least, if they're not exactly accepting, of lgbtq people. This doesn't go for everybody, but  for the most part it rings true, at least in my experience. I know that it is a huge EO deal right now, and they actually CAN'T say anything negative to you about it, I don't know if you get an EO brief annually, though. I know there's alot of differences between CA and CS units... I wouldn't begin to know what the atmosphere is in CA, but usually a simple OTS correction does the trick for me. Someone says/ does something, I correct them, we go about our merry way. The biggest asset you have as far as your comrades and the environment you create as a group of people is your voice, and sprinkle some patience in there. A lot of soldiers have never been exposed to these things, so being patient with them and their unintentional ignorance (I'm not trying to use that negatively, I just don't have a better word) is going to be a big part of your life. Much of the time, comedy is a way to diffuse the tension and process an idea- we see it in our political satire comics. This is why everyone makes jokes at/ after those kinds of briefs. Joke about it with them at the level you see as being appropriate for your environment, laugh with them about it, and educate them gently on what is not okay when they take it too far. That's the best advice I think I have for this area...

Bottom line: Its something that you're going to have to assess and explore- there are options out there, but some of them may or may not be appealing. And that's okay. At the very least, please do go see a therapist about it when you get home. They're helpful, and can help you know more about what your options and rights in this department are.

If you have any questions/ comments/ concerns (I know, I think I'm hilarious), please feel free to shoot me a message and I'll do my best to answer anything you don't already know, and if I don't know the answer, I'll work on finding it since being deployed infantry and being deployed MI are two different environments, and I probably have a little bit more freedom in the research area than you right now. I am more than happy to help any way I can.
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"Things are only impossible until they're not." – Captain Jean-Luc Picard

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